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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

OP posts:
anthurium · 20/10/2021 12:30

You're still posting on here about the same thing though ...and refusing to acknowledge that your fertility may already be compromised ...but you'd rather not know? Rather be in denial that you've got 'loads of time left'? Only by exploring this will you actually know, other people's success stories are irrelevant.

abersterol · 20/10/2021 12:34

Whilst I can see that the issues are obviously linked @anthurium , at the moment I just want to try and get over this relationship and feeling like I need to contact him.

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anthurium · 20/10/2021 12:34

And I'm a 'success' story in terms of fertility/conception/pregnancy...I still wouldn't tell a woman she'd be fine because I was (aged 39) and smashed the IVF stats beyond anyone's belief....it's ignorant and uninformed advice coming from well-wishers ...

anthurium · 20/10/2021 12:53

@abersterol

Whilst I can see that the issues are obviously linked *@anthurium* , at the moment I just want to try and get over this relationship and feeling like I need to contact him.
Why can't you be doing things in tandem? Rather than one at a time... You could potentially be wasting yet more time with this approach...
ChargingBuck · 20/10/2021 12:56

Is that a sign I should contact him.

No.

And - in the kindest way! - pull yourself together.
There are no "signs".
No soulmates.
No 'The One'.

It is all romantic claptrap.
Falling in love is a choice.
Choosing to stay with, or leave someone, is a choice.
The romance industry would have us believe we just can't help ourselves & all this head-over-heels stuff just happens to us as passive vehicles.
It's balderdash.

You are feeling empty, so filling yourself up with memories & dreams, & making something more out of what the actual situation was.

How many times did you even see this guy? How many hours in his company? And how many hours spent trying to persuade him to do the most basic 'couply' things? How many days spent in misery due to his total inflexibility & intransigence?
You are trying to convince yourself that being allowed in the presence of this dysfunctional man from - what? - 5pm til 9pm on a sunday constitutes a valid relationship.

You bent over backwards to accommodate this ridiculously hidebound man.
It never got you a fraction of what you want.
If you went back to him you could spend the rest of your life dedicated to winning tiny concessions from him, like going for one drink in the evening, or meeting your friends, & heaven forbid you want more than 1 weekend away every couple of years.
You will live without sex, unless you are offering him BJ's, & you will feel diminished & undervalued & unloved for the rest of your days, all without never getting a fraction of what you want.

You are experiencing wishful thinking & a limerence hangover.
Most of the good times you are reminiscing about only happened because you had to force them out of him. He wants to sit indoors with a sexless companion once a week. Could you really ever call that anything approaching a relationship?

abersterol · 20/10/2021 13:04

@ChargingBuck

Is that a sign I should contact him.

No.

And - in the kindest way! - pull yourself together.
There are no "signs".
No soulmates.
No 'The One'.

It is all romantic claptrap.
Falling in love is a choice.
Choosing to stay with, or leave someone, is a choice.
The romance industry would have us believe we just can't help ourselves & all this head-over-heels stuff just happens to us as passive vehicles.
It's balderdash.

You are feeling empty, so filling yourself up with memories & dreams, & making something more out of what the actual situation was.

How many times did you even see this guy? How many hours in his company? And how many hours spent trying to persuade him to do the most basic 'couply' things? How many days spent in misery due to his total inflexibility & intransigence?
You are trying to convince yourself that being allowed in the presence of this dysfunctional man from - what? - 5pm til 9pm on a sunday constitutes a valid relationship.

You bent over backwards to accommodate this ridiculously hidebound man.
It never got you a fraction of what you want.
If you went back to him you could spend the rest of your life dedicated to winning tiny concessions from him, like going for one drink in the evening, or meeting your friends, & heaven forbid you want more than 1 weekend away every couple of years.
You will live without sex, unless you are offering him BJ's, & you will feel diminished & undervalued & unloved for the rest of your days, all without never getting a fraction of what you want.

You are experiencing wishful thinking & a limerence hangover.
Most of the good times you are reminiscing about only happened because you had to force them out of him. He wants to sit indoors with a sexless companion once a week. Could you really ever call that anything approaching a relationship?

@ChargingBuck we did spend a lot of time together towards the end, most nights of the week. In the last couple of months we were together every day, staying at his. We had days out but they were infrequent and he couldn’t often take a whole day off. That part was ok, I could deal with that on a weepy basis, but I just wanted some plans with him, a trip and also wider plans for the future. Maybe I was too intense expecting that at just under a year in. I wanted us to be talking about moving in in the next few months. His work contract ends in 8 months and he has two options one in the same place and another 300 miles away. I work remotely so it would have been ok, but he never once mentioned that and how I felt about it in terms of ‘us.’ It didn’t even come into it. He would have done what he wanted regardless of us.

The 5-9 on a Sunday was when he was very busy with work and he had a multitude of presentations/extra work to do. It last around 8 weeks I think.

In general I just felt he wasn’t prioritising us but sometimes I wonder if I was expecting too much.

OP posts:
abersterol · 20/10/2021 13:06

*weekly basis

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picklemewalnuts · 20/10/2021 13:16

Small suggestion to help get over this better....

'It's not me, it's him'.

Just keep saying it every time you find yourself analysing what went wrong. All your constant churning over what could have been, what went wrong etc is just wasting your time and energy that could go on having a good time.

Sod him. It's not me it's him. Constant repetition. There are a lot of frogs out there, some of them disguised as princes. Get kissing! Or swear off frogs and princes and go it alone.

It's not me, it's him.

justtheonedc · 20/10/2021 13:22

As someone with a chequered past I have realised that you get the person you deserve at the time. That may sound harsh and there's probably a better way of putting it.

I have struggled with low self esteem and self worth my entire life. I have huge anxiety issues. I've always been overweight and a series of bad relationships left me with all these issues exacerbated.

Eventually I had therapy and sorted my head out.

I met DH when I was 38, we got married 2 years later and have a DS. It's no coincidence that at the time I met him my confidence was at an all time high.

Alittlepotofrosie · 20/10/2021 13:32

You're moping around after this complete arsehole like he's got a golden cock. Even if he did he won't use it so what's the point? He doesn't want to spend time with you. He doesn't want to shag you. Why are you so convinced he's your Disney prince and the man of your dreams?

It doesn't matter how much you twist yourself up in knots. This "relationship" will never work because he doesn't want what anyone else would ever call a relationship. You want to convince yourself he's perfect because he's what you think is available. Except he's not available is he. Not emotionally. Don't contact him or you'll be back to square one.

As someone else said, stop expecting a man to save you. Save yourself. Get therapy, stay away from wankers, find your self esteem.

abersterol · 20/10/2021 13:38

@justtheonedc what do you mean by chequered past?

@Alittlepotofrosie yes I know. Just spoke to a friend and she said almost the same thing. It just hurts. I was over the moon to have met him. I thought he was great. I don’t know how it could have unfolded like this. It’s just hard.
Thanks for the messages keeping me strong Flowers

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Sidehustle99 · 20/10/2021 13:43

Could he be in another longer standing relationship and he considers he's not having an affair with you because he hasn't crossed a line. How often do you see him?

justtheonedc · 20/10/2021 13:50

Failed relationships for various reasons, being ghosted, one nighters, generally being messed about

Shuffleuplove · 20/10/2021 13:50

@Sidehustle99 no, read the thread. He’s not capable of one relationship let alone two.

Sidehustle99 · 20/10/2021 13:58

Only asking (I have read the thread btw) because I know someone this happened to and very similar behaviours.

HyggeTygge · 20/10/2021 13:59

@abersterol

I’m not wallowing *@anthurium* I’m wondering if we could have worked on this and wondering whether to contact him. I’ve been trying to get on with things.
You did work on it. You were open, flexible, reasonable, honest and loving.

He could've worked on it by not lying, being genuinely willing to spend time with you - but he didn't, and you can't change that for him.

HyggeTygge · 20/10/2021 14:03

I get the impression you're actually more disappointed in yourself for thinking he was nice and not predicting he'd be like this. I do get this, I really do. But it sounds like he comes across great in the relatively short term. His behaviour is quite unusual I would say (not booking time off etc) and there's no way you could've looked into a crystal ball and seen this going like this.

It's actually pretty great you're seeing it now and not wasting further years, although obviously it doesn't seem like that!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/10/2021 14:09

we could have been so close and so happy in each other’s company and he can go from that to cutting me off because I raised something so fundamental to a successful relationship

Read what you wrote again. Please. It sums everything up in a nutshell. So why are you continuing to say, after having explained his awful behaviour that you could have been so close and happy in each others company. He didn't want to. He wanted things run by his own restrictive rules and wasn't interested in discussing it.

Every single poster (go back and read all of @ChargingBuck posts again) has given lots of advice about moving on, recognising that he wasn't the right person for you. No one has said, "yeah you really ought to ring him and get back with him again."

Yet that is what you are contemplating.

And you are still finding ways to constantly blame yourself "Was I expecting too much? " If expecting a normal relationship is too much, then yes. You were. Bad girl. Punish yourself. Before you pick up that phone to contact him, please discuss it with your therapist or a good friend.

These thoughts of regret, self blame and self recrimination seem to be set on a loop. Please find something to distract yourself, even if its only for an hour to try and break this cycle.

I can't offer any more advice but wish you a good recovery

zonky · 20/10/2021 14:19

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff

we could have been so close and so happy in each other’s company and he can go from that to cutting me off because I raised something so fundamental to a successful relationship

Read what you wrote again. Please. It sums everything up in a nutshell. So why are you continuing to say, after having explained his awful behaviour that you could have been so close and happy in each others company. He didn't want to. He wanted things run by his own restrictive rules and wasn't interested in discussing it.

Every single poster (go back and read all of @ChargingBuck posts again) has given lots of advice about moving on, recognising that he wasn't the right person for you. No one has said, "yeah you really ought to ring him and get back with him again."

Yet that is what you are contemplating.

And you are still finding ways to constantly blame yourself "Was I expecting too much? " If expecting a normal relationship is too much, then yes. You were. Bad girl. Punish yourself. Before you pick up that phone to contact him, please discuss it with your therapist or a good friend.

These thoughts of regret, self blame and self recrimination seem to be set on a loop. Please find something to distract yourself, even if its only for an hour to try and break this cycle.

I can't offer any more advice but wish you a good recovery

I think op is still finding ways to blame herself - she'd got it into her head that this man/relationship was her 'the happy refer after' and now she's distraught of having to go back on the apps, rinse and repeat of finding a partner to have a relationship with marriage/children...potentially waste more time as nobody can predict how the next relationship will work out (if she even has one). I'd imagine she's also feeling embarrassed about the failure of it in front of her family/friends
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/10/2021 14:28

@zonky I agree. And its an unhappy situation to be in, but I just wanted to say that she would benefit from some RL help, a friend to talk to or any distraction at all to give herself even a short term break from having these thoughts on a loop.

abersterol · 20/10/2021 14:47

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff thanks @zonky thanks

@HyggeTygge yes that is the overwhelming feeling, disappointment. I do want to settle down but I actually felt lucky to have met him, it didn’t feel like I was settling in any way, and he said the same to me. I’m disappointed and sad and low that I have to put my heart out there again. I know that’s life and sometimes you don’t always get what you want but it’s crushed me. I feel sad and resentful even that this could have happened when we seemed to have clicked so perfectly. It was the manner in which he conducted the relationship, not who he was, that made me feel so shit. I guess they are almost one and the same in a way. His behaviour when I started to get more and more irritated just felt really disrespectful in the end. He didn’t seem to want to take seriously what I was saying. He just seemed annoyed by it.

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friskybivalves · 20/10/2021 15:20

He has the choice of a contract 300 miles away in eight months' time??

Crumbs, OP. I mean, that choice alone would put the knockers on quite a few sturdy relationships.

I have a vision of him just packing a suitcase and saying goodbye to whichever poor woman he happens to be involved with at the time.

HaveringWavering · 20/10/2021 15:41

it didn’t feel like I was settling in any way

The man would not have sex with you! In what way, shape or form was that not settling?

sleepingrabbits · 20/10/2021 15:43

I had one like this, I think he really didn't want kids and so wouldn't have sex just incase. Or probably the porn or both.

DFOD · 20/10/2021 15:48

I think you should spontaneously turn up in a fur coat and no knickers with a jeroboam of Bollinger and seduce him.

You are 100% right it was a perfect relationship of glorious soul mate fulfilment - both full satisfied and looking out on an exciting horizon of shared goals.

He will scoop you up, shag you senseless, propose and have you up the aisle and pregnant before Xmas!

Go for it - you have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

It’s a magical fairytale - don’t let this glorious life slip through your fingers.

Get cracking !