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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
YouJustDoYou · 02/09/2021 11:04

That's a LOT of money being spent on takeout/restaurants, to me anyway, but then I was on the same wage as him and certainly could never afford that kind of money on just one meal.

TooManyAnimals94 · 02/09/2021 11:06

I was inclined to be generous and say he sounds like he is just bad with money but he totally played you on that last takeaway. I can't think of a single person I know who doesn't just hit 'pay now' when they order online. I think he planned it.

Get rid.

SparklingLime · 02/09/2021 11:08

Just no. Bin.

yellowsofa · 02/09/2021 11:08

Nothing worse than an ungenerous man. I'd get rid.

Buyitinbamboo · 02/09/2021 11:09

I understand that it sounds like a lot of money on food which would be out of budget for someone on his wage but I couldn't be with someone like that. It was your birthday, he could of said "I'll whip something up with what you have in the cupboard" And not respecting you asking him to leave is a massive red flag. Get rid of him

Shurl · 02/09/2021 11:11

Yeah, get rid. Mot necessarily because of the money thing (although that would annoy me and would be necessitating an open discussion on money imo), but because of the tricking you into paying for a takeaway last time, after you had offered to cook. And trying to pressure you into letting him stay over. That is completely unacceptable and manipulative

JengaCupboard · 02/09/2021 11:11

It's tricky... you're clearly not comfortable with something so it's an issue regardless of whether he ultimately is taking the piss a bit or not.

That being said, if he's only earning £20k a year, a lifestyle of taxis, restaurants and multiple take outs, plus travel to you etc doesn't really seem realistic to sustain, and he may be too embarrassed to say anything to you. £45.00 on takeaway is a lot if he's maybe only taking home £300 per week.

Conversely I earn considerably more than my DP, and so pick the tab up regularly for things like take away or cabs; things I would consider luxury. He's appreciative, and does pay for things like rounds of drinks, but I want to spend time with him doing things I like so I don't mind paying, probably 80% of the time. He would never suggest something with the intention of me paying though, it's generally my suggestion.

He does however pay me a decent amount of 'rent', on time every month (we live together in my house) and goes out of his way to do chores, DIY job, gardening and other things that I feel hugely contribute in other ways rather than just financially.

It's early days for you to assess more generally, but maybe look at his attitude as a bigger picture. If he's sitting around and just expecting you to pay because you can, I'd be getting rid, but if effort is made in other ways a disparity in income doesn't have to be a deal breaker.

RubyGoat · 02/09/2021 11:11

If we're ordering takeaway delivery, we always pay in advance. Seems almost like he planned it TBH. And yes, I'd be sure to cover the full cost the next time, or transfer you half, or I'd be too embarrassed to go out again!

GertrudeCB · 02/09/2021 11:13

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ......

inmyslippers · 02/09/2021 11:13

Listen to your gut instinct and do a runner

ZealAndArdour · 02/09/2021 11:13

Get rid of him. He’s out for what he can get.

Neverwrestlewithapig · 02/09/2021 11:14

The things you try to overlook at the start will break you at the end. Not looking good…

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 02/09/2021 11:14

It's understandable that he's being careful with money if he's trying to save a deposit, I wouldn't mind that so much. But I would need him to be honest and open about it, and suggest eating in rather than doing a bait and switch on your birthday.

The refusing to leave is a bit shit too.

I think you'd get very tired of that sort of behaviour very fast. You're on the ball picking it up now before you get too invested; ditch him and move on.

FanFiction · 02/09/2021 11:14

Mean of spirit. He should be falling over himself to make you feel special on your birthday, at the very least!

Aquamarine1029 · 02/09/2021 11:14

Why are you ignoring your gut feelings? He sounds like a loser and a user. I would have binned him off ages ago.

BluebellsGreenbells · 02/09/2021 11:15

Doesn’t sound good and it causes a lot of tension, it doesn’t sound like he can budget, or have any real idea what things costs.

Ex BF used to do this because ‘I was cooking anyway’ so why not do him some as well? Not even considering his food costs money, whilst sat in my chair watching my TV and not even offering to wash up or even help wash up …. Never again!

squashyhat · 02/09/2021 11:15

I have nothing to add but 'early onset cocklodging' is my new favourite phrase Grin

Iflyaway · 02/09/2021 11:16

is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit.

And letting you pay for everything else....

Just the fact that he loses his bankcard would have me wondering how together he has his life at the age of 30.

PlanDeRaccordement · 02/09/2021 11:18

Honestly, it appears to me that he is nice, but you’re not feeling it (love, attraction, affection, etc) with him. Which is why this small stuff is irritating you so much. You’re just not that in to him. But it’s hard to break up with someone because you’re feeling so indifferent because that seems cruel. So you’re looking for what you think would be a valid reason to break up. You don’t need to do this agonising and overthinking. You don’t need to prove he is possibly a cocklodger or whatever, you can simply end it and move on. Which I think is what you really want to do.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/09/2021 11:19

Just the fact that he loses his bankcard would have me wondering how together he has his life at the age of 30.

I would bet he lied so he didn't have to pay.

Jaxhog · 02/09/2021 11:20

@GertrudeCB

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ......
My thought too.
Sakurami · 02/09/2021 11:21

He is taking advantage. I understand not being able to afford all those dinners out and takeaways but he takes the piss ordering lots of expensive stuff when it's you picking the tab.

I have a friend who was very tight with money and when going out would only order cheap stuff. But when someone else was picking up the tab, she would splurge. So even now, though I'm still friends with her, I am not as close to her as my other friends. Don't like folk who take advantage.

I would sit him down and talk to him and see if you can sort it out. Otherwise I think you're going to be (rightly) resentful and your relationship will sour anyway.

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 02/09/2021 11:21

He sounds like a teenager. Get rid.

Sakurami · 02/09/2021 11:21

@squashyhat

I have nothing to add but 'early onset cocklodging' is my new favourite phrase Grin
Hahaha
Sparklfairy · 02/09/2021 11:21

Yeah he set you up, and its the sneakiness that would annoy me. Even on a low wage, if he's "staying" living indefinitely with his parents he's almost guaranteed to be paying little or no rent to them regardless of what he tells you - he's just tight. Dazzled by you earning more and wanting in on what he sees as a flash lifestyle.

The "falling asleep" and refusing to move would have had him out my door and never coming back tbh.

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