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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

479 replies

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
sadie9 · 02/09/2021 11:46

It's not just the money thing.
He thinks you are his new Mummy and he's the teenager she adores.
He's 30 and spends all day with his brother??? Why would he when there is a perfectly nice woman to hang out with.
He can't take hints to feck off when it's night time and then 'acts out' by pretending to be asleep. That's just plain weird. It's controlling by acting not verbally expressing himself.

He forced into paying for the takeaway with your card.
Your reaction to that was to say nothing about that and allow him to think that was OK.
Who leaves home without their card? A manipulator that's who.

This sounds like a no-no to me.
He's showing controlling behaviour - albeit really, really nice controlling behaviour. The only reason you two are still going out is because you are letting him away with this childish behaviour because he keeps putting himself in the child place to make you 'mother' him.

Hotcuppatea · 02/09/2021 11:46

There seems to be a lot of stuff around money that is being left unspoken at the moment between you two. It's totally OK for you to expect him to pay his share, and it's totally OK for him to be on a tighter budget so not be able to afford lots of takeaways and meals out. But you both need to be more explicit about what's going on for you, otherwise it leaves lots of space for misunderstanding and resentment to grow.

Do you know what's stopping you from saying something like this to him: "Can we talk about the money situation and who is paying for what before it becomes a problem?"

sadie9 · 02/09/2021 11:46

*forced you into paying

RosiePosieDozy · 02/09/2021 11:47

He sounds tight and immature. Like a teenager not wanting to spend their own money but wanting to do fun things.

You seem to be spending a lot on food. That's your choice but if he was really struggling financially/on a budget, surely he would suggest cheaper/free activities rather than get you to pay for everything? Whatever it is, I wouldn't like it.

Get rid.

whynotwhatknot · 02/09/2021 11:47

No sorry the thing with the takeaway was planned he wanted a takeaway but convieniently lost his card

Even if he lost it he could transfer half to you from his account it was your bloody birthday

Noone needs to eat out that much my dh is on more than you but we dont go out all the time theres no need-he sounds really imature

scoobydoo1971 · 02/09/2021 11:49

I am in a long distance relationship. I go to London every fortnight, or he comes to mine. 350 miles apart. I pay for a cheap hotel in London and my train ticket...boyfriend even offered to pay for my transport costs. When I am away with him, he won't let me pay for anything...drinks, meals, events...all on him. I earn lots more than him, and have offered more but he refuses. When he comes to mine, he doesn't pay a thing. You don't have a boyfriend, but a professional scrounger with no dignity. We just go with the flow with money, and no one is head-counting about who pays next. Mean people are just mean in love too. If he is on a budget, he could do cheap stuff with you. He doesn't want to. I bet his brother pays on Saturday, and the bank of Mum and Dad pay too. He dreams of a place of his own, a generous partner who feeds him for free, his bills taken care of. He doesn't look for a new better paid job...he tries to warm you up for this. My boyfriend is taking me on holiday as a treat after I have surgery. He is working hard to save and pay for it. I haven't asked him to do this. He is a generous loving man. Find his clone. I had a few cocklodger types in the past and they make their flaws known to you early-on. They pick on people who are emotionally at a low point. My ex told me he hadn't got me a birthday present to stop reminding me I was old now. He was dumped for that and similar crimes of dating etiquette. Single is better than sponsoring a sponging loser with no dignity.

babouchette · 02/09/2021 11:49

The pretending not to wake up so that he could stay over would piss me off more than the money thing to be honest. What's next, oh I accidentally fell asleep on your bed, oh I accidentally touched you up while we were sleeping...?

This is not a great guy. He is disrespectful and passive aggressive. I'd bin him off.

NigellasCookalong · 02/09/2021 11:49

I’m also talking from the place of someone who dated a cocklodger for a year too. It’s hard to get rid of them once they grip on as well so I would be making moves to do so before you become invested.

Before you know it he’ll be staying over 6 nights a week, not contributing to your food bill and then making you feel bad when he turns up with a tin of beans for his dinner because that’s “all he can afford” - that’s genuinely what mine did!! In the end when he’d be talking about ordering takeaway I’d just say oh I’m skint so not paying and he very fast got over that idea Hmm

PlanDeRaccordement · 02/09/2021 11:50

I don’t think he’s that in to you either based on how he’s been behaving, especially on your birthday! He doesn’t seem at all invested in doing nice things for you at all.

Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 02/09/2021 11:50

Is there anything 'to do' over his way? Suggest he books a B&B and you will travel to him next week end.... Will he be so keen to see you /stay over if he has to organise somewhere to stay and pay!!

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 11:51

Just to point out as well - him coming over doesn’t have to cost anything. He has said before that he enjoys cooking. He could easily come over, we could cook dinner and put a film on, and it wouldn’t cost anything other than his fuel. In that scenario, I’d be happy paying for the odd takeaway.
I’m going out on Saturday for drinks, definitely not staying in with a takeaway I’ve had to pay for myself Smile

OP posts:
mbosnz · 02/09/2021 11:52

To me it's definitely both waddling and quacking. BTB.

Plumtree391 · 02/09/2021 11:52

It's all very well him saving up for his own place but he has to budget fairly for going out with someone or at least be absolutely honest about what he can afford or not.

The losing bank card doesn't sound genuine to me, I have food delivered and always have to pay by card beforehand. Prior to the pandemic, you could pay cash on delivery but deliveroo, ubereats and Justeat don't do that right now. It's all no contact too. I wonder if he gave them the impression he was paying by cash - but the rider obviously had a card thingy.

How about you telling him it is getting too expensive for you? See what he says and go from there.

I don't blame you at all for not letting him stay the night, that should not be taken for granted. In any case he wouldn't have had any clean clothes for the next day - not nice.

Signs of a potential cocklodger but talk to him, give him a chance before making up your mind.

Wavypurple · 02/09/2021 11:54

Oh god god it just got worse and worse.

Please just end it.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/09/2021 11:54

I think the problem is this guy quite enjoys a nice lifestyle without the income to pay for it— sadly he needs to learn that’s life— nothing wrong with being not on a high wage but everything wrong if you get into a constant takeaway/go out mentality and yes it leads to cocklodging. A friend of mine was with someone like this who just before the end was askingwhy they didn’t have more meals with fresh raw prawns ( she bought all the food) and was busy looking up exotic holidays and saying ‘ooh that would be nice’ in the hope she would just book and pay.

Outbutnotoutout · 02/09/2021 11:54

Give him your bank details and ask him to transfer the money for your birthday take away.

Then bin

WTF475878237NC · 02/09/2021 11:55

Take the money out of it and you have a guy who doesn't seem that together to me. I think your gut feeling is picking up on how he isn't the one for you.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/09/2021 11:56

Thing is OP you can do better, no matter how pleasant he is and underneath you know it!!

bigbaggyeyes · 02/09/2021 11:57

It's a lot of money for someone on that wage to be spending on takeaways - but he's not spending the money on takeaways, the op is.

Early onset of cocklodging in my book.

theleafandnotthetree · 02/09/2021 11:58

Frankly it all sounds a bit dreary and I feel quesy the thought of all that take out. I consider take out to be the sort of opposite of romantic.....

Nixandwotsit · 02/09/2021 12:00

Stop making excuses for him and get rid.
I wonder what he pays to live with his Mum? For all we know his disposable income could be more than Op's.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 02/09/2021 12:00

He's got short arms and deep pockets, my grandpa would have said. Very unattractive!

Regularsizedrudy · 02/09/2021 12:02

Erm. He sounds shit

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:02

@Brollypackedforscottishholiday

Is there anything 'to do' over his way? Suggest he books a B&B and you will travel to him next week end.... Will he be so keen to see you /stay over if he has to organise somewhere to stay and pay!!
He can’t do Saturdays so can’t do it over a weekend! Plus I have a dog so it’s not that easy to arrange someone to look after her. It’s not impossible but to be honest, I’m not willing to do it if I’m still gonna end up being the one paying for stuff!

The Saturday thing is far from ideal for me, and I’ve told him this before. It just feels so limiting. Part of me thinks it’s nice he has these plans with his brother and doesn’t wanna drop him as soon as he starts seeing someone - but then a bit of flexibility would be nice. It’s come up in conversation two or three times and each time Hes said ‘I’ll see what I can do’ but then nothing ever comes of it.
I’m not sitting around waiting for him, I do my own thing on Saturday (so I’m actually busy for the next two Saturdays anyway), but yeah, you’re all making me realise it’s wrong.

He has a way of explaining things away when I bring up an issue. He makes it all sound so reasonable. So I’m very aware that if I bring up the money issue with him, he’s almost certainly gonna have an explanation and talk me around. If he’d done that before, I wouldn’t have minded but now I think it’s just too late, particularly after yesterday.

OP posts:
Mummyoflittledragon · 02/09/2021 12:03

It costs him say £15 to come any see you. So I can understand possible reluctance to spend 50/50 if he earns less then you. But the way he has taken advantage of you financially is taking the piss. And he’s living with parents, so your additional costs are more than offset.

As for wanting to stay, I’m not surprised he wanted to stay if he had an hour’s drive back on a Friday night if he has worked all day having driven to yours. However, your home, your choice.

It sounds as if this is a no go from beginning to end. I’d end this one. You obviously aren’t feeling it.