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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 02/09/2021 11:22

I'm in the walks like a duck camp

There is a disconnect for me between living at home and saving for a deposit on one hand, then on the other hand preferring to order take away (and getting you to pay) to cooking with what is to hand.

The latter is congruent with thinking that if he just acts sleepy you will cave and let him stay over, even though you have already said he cannot.

If you are happy paying for his company, crack on. Don't think I would be, because he is not upfront about what he can afford.

Guiltypleasures001 · 02/09/2021 11:22

Did he get you anything for your birthday op, or dinner maybe ?

Aquamarine1029 · 02/09/2021 11:24

The "falling asleep" and refusing to move would have had him out my door and never coming back tbh.

I agree. The cheek of him. Who the fuck does he think he is? Raise your standards, op.

Kotatsu · 02/09/2021 11:25

No.

There's grades aren't there - skint/saving = supermarket/cook at home etc. careful = good mix of out and in, take turns and keep it fair. Then there's mean and taking advantage = ordering big when you're paying not him, and 'losing' his card after ordering takeaway even though you'd offered to supermarket/cook in for cheap...

And don't even get me started on pretending to sleep.

I remember going out with a dude who was happy to eat my food/drink the booze I bought, but had me transfer him the money for half a supermarket Indian.. I knew that wasn't going to work out....

RantyAunty · 02/09/2021 11:27

Cocklodger.

Couldn't even buy you or cook you a meal for your birthday.
He's staying with his parents so he has minimal expenses.

The lost card thing was a con to get you to pay for it. Someone his age would have pay on his phone.

judgejudyrocks · 02/09/2021 11:29

Why on earth isn't he allowed to stay over? That alone sounds juvenile.

AlrightThereSkippy · 02/09/2021 11:29

Ugh bin! Penny pinching when necessary is totally fine and understandable, but coaxing you into buying him takeaways is super unattractive.

LastGirlSanding · 02/09/2021 11:29

He got you to pay for a takeaway after you’d offered to cook..on YOUR birthday?! Hmm

LastGirlSanding · 02/09/2021 11:31

Also £45 on a takeaway for only two people is so much money! And his surprised look suggests to me he would have happily let you pay for that including his extra sides.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 02/09/2021 11:32

Trust your instincts.
He should pay 50/50. He's not.

ChaToilLeam · 02/09/2021 11:34

Go with your gut. He’s annoying you already.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/09/2021 11:35

@judgejudyrocks

Why on earth isn't he allowed to stay over? That alone sounds juvenile.
Because the op doesn't want him to. That's the only reason she needs. How is it "juvenile" to not want someone to sleep over?
dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 11:36

Ah so many responses so quickly! This is just what I needed!
@PlanDeRaccordement I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. I’m not feeling it. I don’t, and haven’t, got the ‘spark’ with him. Part of me thinks that that initial rush isn’t the be all and end all. I wanted to see if it grew a bit more after a while but I don’t think it is.
A few people have said that it’s a lot of money for someone on his wage. It IS, but I’d be happy to do other things that don’t cost money. I’d be happy going to a park on a Saturday afternoon, or grabbing a coffee or something - but he can’t do that! He would come over in the week but he would want to stay and so I tend to say no. It means Friday is the only real time we can see each other (Sunday we both have bits going on) and by the time the end of the week rolls around, I’m done in from work and just want to unwind!

He’s just text me thanking me for the evening and saying he needs to replace his card now… so he’s still sticking with that one.
I AM starting to resent it already. And I had therapy after my last breakup and got so much out of it. One of the things she said was that you can’t change other people. His faults now aren’t suddenly going to get better.
I’m conscious that he does a two hour round trip to see me every week, which isn’t free. But I’m just a bit disappointed with how it’s gone really. I feel like I’ve given him chances to open a conversation about it. The place he suggested we go yesterday was sushi, which is NEVER going to be cheap. I made a point of saying I’d be happy going somewhere cheaper if it was an issue. Whilst we’ve not had discussions about taking it in turns to pay, surely it’s either 50/50 or taking it in turns… and he’s not broached either other than our first date. If he sat me down and said he was having issues with affording what we do, I’d happily suggest us cooking.

OP posts:
MiaRoma · 02/09/2021 11:36

Bin. What a yuk

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 02/09/2021 11:36

Quite honestly I'd never spend all that money on food. I earn 40k plus and I live very frugally as I like to build savings. Id just cook at home. If he buys a takeaway let him buy it for himself.
20k isn't much at all if you run a car, travel to work and have other expenses.
I think you need to have a chat about finances and agree on dates that are not so expensive.

DameFanny · 02/09/2021 11:37

The trying to force you to let him stay over is a screaming red flag. The manipulating you into paying for your birthday meal is cuntiness. Well done for spotting the pattern - I hope your next relationship is much more rewarding.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/09/2021 11:39

I’m not feeling it. I don’t, and haven’t, got the ‘spark’ with him.

That's all you need to know, surely? It needs to be over.

DrMorbius · 02/09/2021 11:42

£23k per year at 30 years old!! !!!!
Bin him.

TheGrassIsGreenerish · 02/09/2021 11:43

Nah yuk plus he sounds like a teenager.

Rozziie · 02/09/2021 11:43

@LastGirlSanding

Also £45 on a takeaway for only two people is so much money! And his surprised look suggests to me he would have happily let you pay for that including his extra sides.
I don't think it's that excessive. My ex and I could easily spend that on a nice Chinese, getting a few different dishes and sides. It's definitely a treat though and not something I'd do if saving up a deposit. In fact I'm saving one now and pretty much cook every single meal from scratch to save money...would normally also use Aldi/Lidl if only we weren't in a pandemic (I'm medically vulnerable so need to get groceries delivered now).

Get rid, OP! Stinginess is so unattractive. It would be one thing if he was keen to cook for you and make frugal meals, but he's happy for you to subsidise his lifestyle, just a few months in....red flag!

MrsMaizel · 02/09/2021 11:44

Put him back in the pond and move on.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 11:44

45 quid is the higher end of what I’d consider for a takeaway, it’s normally in the realm of 20-25 quid.
My birthday isn’t actually until Saturday, but no, I don’t think he’s got me anything. Which I don’t mind, in fairness - it’s only been a few months and I’m hard to buy for. Him not getting me a present isn’t an issue, but yeah, him cooking for me or something instead would have been lovely.

He doesn’t often suggest us doing anything either. Last time we went out for dinner was his idea, and he comes to me so I know he isn’t fully aware of what’s going on in the area and stuff, but it seems an easy pattern to fall into, him coming over rather than us going out and doing things.

OP posts:
Rozziie · 02/09/2021 11:45

@DrMorbius

£23k per year at 30 years old!! !!!! Bin him.
That's a bit mean. I was only on about £26K a year at age 30, in London. Had had a very rough time graduating into a financial crisis, experiencing serious health issues which required time off work, etc. and limited my options. I definitely wouldn't have expected a new boyfriend to pay for me though...I lived according to what I earned!
PlanDeRaccordement · 02/09/2021 11:45

I’m not feeling it. I don’t, and haven’t, got the ‘spark’ with him. Part of me thinks that that initial rush isn’t the be all and end all. I wanted to see if it grew a bit more after a while but I don’t think it is.

If you’re not feeling it now, you never will. Best to end it and move on. There are two initial rushes, one is a genuine connection or spark, the other is just physical attraction or lust. While the second rush, lust, isn’t the end all and be all, I believe you definitely need the first one.

NigellasCookalong · 02/09/2021 11:45

How much is he paying to his Mum? You said this is over a period of a few months so I actually don’t think £45 on takeaways is too much if he has no kids and presumably low bills. Me and my DP had a takeaway a week when he was on that wage and I was a student (plus coffees and things in the week). Albeit we weren’t big drinkers so that was our weekly treat but it’s definitely do able and we had bills and a car to run too.

You say he’s saving for a house but if this is where he’s putting all of his money he should have discussed that with you. Everyone I know who’s saving for a house (mid twenties so don’t know a lot of home owners yet), usually always reminds me “oh I’m saving for a house so plans have to be cheap/free unless it’s a special occasion”. Fine by me. He sounds tight. Not even offering to transfer you the money would piss me off. I’d bin.