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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

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TheFormidableMrsC · 02/09/2021 12:03

Nope. He's taking the piss! What would happen if you said "no sorry I can't afford that"? What would he have done then? He's definitely a cocklodger in waiting I'm afraid. Trust your gut on this one!

Nixandwotsit · 02/09/2021 12:05

"He has a way of explaining things away when I bring up an issue. He makes it all sound so reasonable. So I’m very aware that if I bring up the money issue with him, he’s almost certainly gonna have an explanation and talk me around. If he’d done that before, I wouldn’t have minded but now I think it’s just too late, particularly after yesterday."

He's a gaslighter as well. Honestly Op, give your head a wobble and send him a goodbye text. You don't have to give reasons - this isn't working for me so I've decided to end it - is enough.

Walkingalot · 02/09/2021 12:05

I'm not sure if anyone else has thought/mentioned this - but seeing his brother every Saturday - sure it's his brother and not kids he hasn't told you about? Would it kill him to miss seeing his brother so he could take you out on your actual birthday? Hasn't that thought crossed your mind OP?

Sparklfairy · 02/09/2021 12:06

@theleafandnotthetree

Frankly it all sounds a bit dreary and I feel quesy the thought of all that take out. I consider take out to be the sort of opposite of romantic.....
So? You're not the one dating here?
GoodnightGrandma · 02/09/2021 12:07

Hmm sounds fishy. I think I’d be chucking this one back in the pond !

pinkyredrose · 02/09/2021 12:09

it feels like he’s happy to let me pay

Because he is.

Is it written in stone that he spends every Saturday with his brother? I don't know why but that gives me the ick. You'd never be able to have a weekend away.

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 02/09/2021 12:10

He might be on a budget but he's very happy to spend merrily on your budget.

I'd just let this one go.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:12

You lot are so helpful, thank you!
To answer a few questions - I don’t know what he pays to stay at home. He has told me he’s saved 14k in about two years so he is definitely capable of saving.
He definitely asked the restaurant yesterday if they took cards because I heard him - he phoned it through rather than ordering online (and therefore paying before it arrived) because we wanted to make a change to one of the dishes and they don’t always pick up on the notes you add.
He DID stay last night but didn’t even bring a toothbrush Confused and he knew staying was on the cards (as he was coming over to mine, for us then to go out for drinks, so wouldn’t have driven back to his).
He has been interviewing for new jobs which pay more - hes told me he’s been offered one, I’ve no idea what it pays but he said they are all a decent chunk more than what he earns now.

I’ve had previous relationships where I’ve ended up having to bail them out coz they can’t manage to make it through the month without running out of money. Never again. I don’t need someone with loads of money, but I do need someone that’s good with money/financially responsible. If he hasn’t got the balls to have a discussion with me if what we do is out of his budget, that’s not my problem.

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EmbarrassingMama · 02/09/2021 12:12

Yuck - he sounds super tight and ungenerous. Ditch.

TheWholeWorld · 02/09/2021 12:14

@squashyhat

I have nothing to add but 'early onset cocklodging' is my new favourite phrase Grin
Mine too. You have a good turn of phrase OP.

And I think you have this dead on. If he can't afford takeaway he could cook but he think it's ok for you to pay. Nah.

altmember · 02/09/2021 12:16

He certainly sounds like a tight git. And a prime candidate to become a cock lodger, although fact you're well aware of that possible scenario should prevent it from happening.

20k sounds a low salary for a 30 year old council worker, unless he's just started. But it should be plenty for him to live off in his current situation. I think you should have a conversation about finances, just to establish if it's a personality trait or if there's something else going on that's making him seem so tight - i.e. has he got a lot of debts to service, or is his saving like mad to get a house deposit together? Obviously there's a world of difference between those two reasons. Even so, if he can't afford luxuries like take aways then he shouldn't be suggesting them, but maybe there's an element of trying to fit in with what he thinks you want (I'm grasping at straws here)?

One thing I would say though, is that since he lives an hour away and is travelling to see you, it's a bit harsh not to let him stay overnight. Unless there's a reason for that, like you never let him stay over, or one of you had a really early start.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:16

@Walkingalot

I'm not sure if anyone else has thought/mentioned this - but seeing his brother every Saturday - sure it's his brother and not kids he hasn't told you about? Would it kill him to miss seeing his brother so he could take you out on your actual birthday? Hasn't that thought crossed your mind OP?
It crossed my mind! But I don’t know why he’d have reason to lie. I’ve got no reason to think he’s got kids - but anything is possible. I don’t want him to take me out on my actual birthday - I’ve got plans with my friends and Im looking forward to it!

To the other poster who asked if they are set in stone - he says it’s not set in stone but he’d be reluctant to change it. It definitely gives me the ick too if it can’t be changed. It DID before but he gave me the impression it might not be impossible but like I say, I’ve mentioned it maybe three times and it’s always the same answer with no change.

If he was an out-and-out arsehole this would be easier!

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HateJudgmentalPeople · 02/09/2021 12:17

Get rid for the money aspect and the fact he wouldn’t get up when you asked him, if he is pushing boundaries like this now then what will he push in the future? Maybe he is sick of being back and home and most likely thinks he can move in with you and you will pay for most, if not everything.

NotQuiteUsual · 02/09/2021 12:18

It's not even about the money is it? You've clearly offered cheaper options. He's gone with the more expensive, but isn't willing to pay his share. Plus his little refusing to leave stunt was so disrespectful. You should be in the honeymoon period.

HateJudgmentalPeople · 02/09/2021 12:18

OP he is an arsehole but disguises it!

Regularsizedrudy · 02/09/2021 12:21

He saved 14k because he’s a right git who gets mugs to pay for his take away!

SunshineCake · 02/09/2021 12:21

@judgejudyrocks

Why on earth isn't he allowed to stay over? That alone sounds juvenile.
Because it's her house and she didn't want him there. Don't be stupid.
Babymamamama · 02/09/2021 12:22

I reckon he has a lot of debt but is disguising it. Avoid!

Edmontine · 02/09/2021 12:23

Yup - he’s keen to move in by stealth and have you pay all his expenses …

What do you want to happen?

Iwantcauliflowercheese · 02/09/2021 12:23

Huge red flag. One I ignored and had nine years of bailing out XP. I'm very suspicious of the brother thing. I think I would say that I've found a B&B near him that accepts dogs and will be coming to stay for the next weekend you have free and that you're looking forward to meeting his family. His response will be interesting.

HollowTalk · 02/09/2021 12:24

First thing I'd do is to get him to transfer that money for the takeaway. He's absolutely taking the piss there.

The next thing I'd do is to dump him. It's not early-onset cocklodging, it's well-established, fully blown cocklodging now.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:24

@altmember

He certainly sounds like a tight git. And a prime candidate to become a cock lodger, although fact you're well aware of that possible scenario should prevent it from happening.

20k sounds a low salary for a 30 year old council worker, unless he's just started. But it should be plenty for him to live off in his current situation. I think you should have a conversation about finances, just to establish if it's a personality trait or if there's something else going on that's making him seem so tight - i.e. has he got a lot of debts to service, or is his saving like mad to get a house deposit together? Obviously there's a world of difference between those two reasons. Even so, if he can't afford luxuries like take aways then he shouldn't be suggesting them, but maybe there's an element of trying to fit in with what he thinks you want (I'm grasping at straws here)?

One thing I would say though, is that since he lives an hour away and is travelling to see you, it's a bit harsh not to let him stay overnight. Unless there's a reason for that, like you never let him stay over, or one of you had a really early start.

Thanks for this. I make no secret of the fact that I like going to new restaurants and bars and things - but I have other people I can do that with. I was conscious that he might feel some pressure to ‘keep up’ which is why I made a point of saying we could do something cheaper.

Your last point is what I meant by Pearl clutching really. I think I was just surprised by the fact that he invited himself to stay over rather than being asked. It seemed a bit impolite? So i was just taken aback the first time and said no - because I didn’t want to be pushed into it. The second time, I had an early start the next day (I don’t sleep well with someone else in my bed) so said no. He knew that but still pulled this ‘falling asleep’ shit.

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twelvefiftynine · 02/09/2021 12:26

So he gaslights you, tries to stay over by stealth and orders things he can't afford hoping you'll pay? Throw this one back op.

Nokyo · 02/09/2021 12:26

It shouldn’t be hard to get rid of someone because they have squeaky shoes or didn’t know the breed of your favourite dog or couldn’t cook more than toast or made you feel a bit bored. In short for any reason. Does he make you laugh and feel full of love, cared for and respected? Clearly not plus he is tight, manipulative and boundary pushing.

TheTeaCosyofDoom · 02/09/2021 12:27

He doesn't have to be an out-and-out arsehole for you to dump him - a partial arsehole is more than sufficient. Christ, he gives me the ick, and I'm a grandma on the other side of a computer screen. Having to tot up who owes for what would drive me nuts. Finances are a major factor in relationships. Do yourself a favour and chuck him back. Flowers