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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:57

@Sparklfairy

Where are you based OP? I'm in the SE and the same age as you, and 30-odd year old men living at home 'to save' is rife. I'm not on a huge wage but manage to live alone and do okay, but somehow they can't manage even a flat share Hmm It seems 'saving' is the perfect excuse for these cocklodger. They can justify living at home and having their washing done 'because I'm saving', and also wriggle out of paying things 'because I'm saving'. It's awful. I'm dating atm and try and weed out anyone living at home. It not just money, it's independence and not being able to 'adult'.

I know you've only touched on the sex thing but it sounds like an extension of who he is in other areas - he wants what he wants and he'll push to get his own way?

I’m near birmingham. I agree though, I typically rule out anyone living at home, but I’ve been conscious that coz of the pandemic, a lot of people haven’t had much choice. I absolutely do not want to be someone’s mother. I’m incredibly lucky in that I’m already on the property ladder but I had help from my mom ten years ago. Not everyone has that so I can’t judge people too harshly…. But I definitely find guys who are capable of being a grown up more attractive! I’ve sacrificed things myself, I’ve saved money and scrimped and saved to get what I have. I know what it’s like - but I was honest about it at the time.

On the sex thing - we have a lot of it! It has been really good. But I told him a couple of weeks ago before he came over that I didn’t want it that day…. not saying I should have to spell it out, but I just thought it’d pay to be upfront. And he just kept trying… he didn’t get very far at all but it just wound me up.
He hasn’t done that since and I told him how out of order it was and he apologised and now he’s a lot more… cautious? Like he’ll let me take the lead on initiating things now.

I can imagine the ‘oh it gets worse’ replies now…. Which is probably fair. I’m in a really good place in life generally and I don’t want to end up with someone who’s not right for me. I can genuinely say I’d rather be on my own than with the wrong person.

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 12:59

@Calmdown14

Does he by any chance 'not do' social media. Because the rigidness of the Saturday thing is odd and does make me wonder if the messy divorce is actually his and he is a Saturday (Disney) dad
Hahahahahahahaha That’s correct. Doesn’t do social media!

I’ll be honest, I’m sceptical that he has kids. We’ve had this discussion (he doesn’t want them) so he’s had chances to tell me. But there may very well be something there on this Saturday thing!

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Dacquoise · 02/09/2021 13:01

If you are having these thoughts after only a couple of months then there's an indication that he isn't right for you. Having to discuss who pays for what everytime you eat and the awkwardness you are describing would be a complete turn off for me. It's okay to not have much cash but cut your cloth accordingly for goodness sake! However the having to turf him out game is a big no no. You deserve better.

frozendaisy · 02/09/2021 13:01

If you like him, just have a grown-up conversation about finances.

Something like...."right I know this is a bit unromantic but we need to have a quick chat about money. You are saving for a deposit and I have solo bills to pay as and we both have a finite amount of cash, like most people, so I would feel much happier if we agree on an "entertainment" budget between us and try to stick to it more or less. I like take-aways and dinner out but sometimes, end of month, it's money I can't keep spending, I am not asking you to pay for everything here by the way"

It doesn't have to be harder than this.

You don't have to disclose salaries or expenditure, just find an entertainment budget that works for both of you.

Bluetrews25 · 02/09/2021 13:02

You sniffed this one out early, Dizzy.

So....tell us about your best mate? Wink

HidingFromDD · 02/09/2021 13:04

I’d wonder whether the Saturdays are so fixed because he has a child rather than his brother tbh.

Either way, this one isn’t working for you, and you don’t need a ‘reason’. Just explain and move on

icelollycraving · 02/09/2021 13:06

You’ve got the ick. I think being with someone without money has its challenges, being with someone tight is just a big no from me. Tight with money, tight with love.
You’re noticing the imbalance because it’s so obvious. Things often balance out but if they don’t, there has to be something in it for you. That may be him being great company, him helping you with a diy job maybe, him being happy to have cheaper dates.
Have you visited his home? It wouldn’t surprise me if there wasn’t an ex with kids in the mix.
Move on. You aren’t compatible. He let you pay on your birthday ffs.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 02/09/2021 13:06

Trust your gut, always.

Horehound · 02/09/2021 13:07

Literally nothing about this guy seems appealing and you even said yourself you aren't desperate to be with someone. So why set standards so low?!

Wombat96 · 02/09/2021 13:08

@Higgeldypiggeldy35

Trust your gut, always.
I was going to say exactly this.

There's something about all this that feels not ok.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 02/09/2021 13:10

It's a non starter for a few reasons and I don't think you really feel 'it' with him which is reason enough to end it. You don't owe anyone a relationship. But this bit leapt out at me as troubling:

The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.

Bleurgh. Not on at all and I'm glad he finally left. Red flag you had to keep asking him to, nice blokes don't behave that way.

gamerchick · 02/09/2021 13:13

You know what, none of this matters. He's irritating you and irritations early on turn into massive irritations later on. Time to throw this one back.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 13:16

@Bluetrews25

You sniffed this one out early, Dizzy.

So....tell us about your best mate? Wink

Hahaha actually an ex boyfriend! We dated for a bit years ago, he’s a lovely guy but we’re too different and he drove me mad in the end. We get on great as friends but definitely nothing more to it!
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Goingdriving · 02/09/2021 13:16

If you’re not feeling it definitely leave - but to add, the ‘lost card’ reminded me of a woman I had come to my house for a job interview. I did not trust her. 110 pounds went missing and she ‘lost’ her purse, weirdly buried in my dirty clothes basket in the cellar! Definitely a decoy!

icelollycraving · 02/09/2021 13:18

Wasn’t there a thread recently where the op’s bf did similar nonsense about paying? I’m a club, and refused to buy a drink? Was that you or someone else?

Standrewsschool · 02/09/2021 13:19

You should be in the honeymoon period ow, not picking up on annoying habits.

Without sounding mercenary, what are his long term goals? He’s 30 and on a fairly low paid job. How much has he got saved? Does he plan any career progress in the future? When does he envisage he’ll be able to buy a house?

I know it’s early days to talk money, but your financial spidery senses are already twitching, so it maybe worth co side ring whether he has ambition or plans for the future or not, as this may be a deal breaker also,

PearlclutchersInc · 02/09/2021 13:19

It was mean when he didnt cough up for your birthday and exceptionally so when he chose the venue because he thought you were paying....Hmm

More to the point though the feigning sleep malarkey?? You might want to re-think this one.

Porcupineintherough · 02/09/2021 13:19

Honestly, it sounds like you are both wanting more out of the relationship than you are prepared to put in, plus he sounds pushy and a bit tight and you dont seem that keen on him anyway. So yeah, end it.

tattymacduff · 02/09/2021 13:23

If you have this many niggles about the relationship this early on, you should think about ending it.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 13:26

@icelollycraving

Wasn’t there a thread recently where the op’s bf did similar nonsense about paying? I’m a club, and refused to buy a drink? Was that you or someone else?
Nah definitely not me, but I did see that one. I think that was in london. We’ve only actually been ‘out’ twice. Part of that is down to me, because on a Friday I just need to unwind a bit after work rather than getting dressed up and going out!

You’re all right though- this should be the honeymoon stage, and it just isn’t. I COULD have a talk with him about finances but I don’t think there’s any coming back from yesterday now…. I had originally asked if there was a way of interpreting the situation that I hadn’t thought of, and obviously you’re only seeing my side of things, but it seems broadly accepted that he’s taking advantage.

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SofiaMichelle · 02/09/2021 13:26

Wow. There's a full list of reasons in your posts which are each individually strong enough reasons to ditch him.

Run away.

tattymacduff · 02/09/2021 13:30

Invite his brother round for dinner with the two of you one Saturday. See if he actually exists!

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 02/09/2021 13:31

The behaviour around staying overnight and wanting sex is pushing your boundaries. It’s not on. And btw it sounds like you said no to him staying overnight and then the next time you said yes? So he’s learning he can just push until he gets what he wants?

You can’t teach men to respect you - either they do or they don’t. This one doesn’t.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 13:37

@SimonedeBeauvoirscat

The behaviour around staying overnight and wanting sex is pushing your boundaries. It’s not on. And btw it sounds like you said no to him staying overnight and then the next time you said yes? So he’s learning he can just push until he gets what he wants?

You can’t teach men to respect you - either they do or they don’t. This one doesn’t.

I said no to him staying overnight when he sprung it on me, and when it didn’t suit me. When it did suit me, I said yes. I don’t have an issue with him staying ^when I want him to^ but I am absolutely not going to be pushed into it.

He didn’t get what he wanted that night, because he didn’t stay over. I do agree though that he doesn’t seem to respect me. His words say one thing but his actions say another.

Can we have a quick show of hands please - do I mention money in the ‘break up’ text?
Part of me wants to, because he should know the reasons and that I’m not falling for it. Another part of me doesn’t because I don’t want to hear his excuses.
Given the choice, I wouldn’t do it in a text but the alternative is to wait until I see him, and keep up the facade until then.

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