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Be honest. If a man expected you...

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AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 31/08/2021 16:25

to split the bill on a first date would it put you off?

OP posts:
Runrigdan · 04/09/2021 08:36

I prefer to split on a first date, especially if it's the first time I've met them (OLD, for example).

Comedycook · 04/09/2021 08:47

Oh yes, I did! My bad Blush. I just woke up! Grin

No, it was you said you earn a smaller amount now due to the fact you're on maternity. I would hope your dh is making up that shortfall for you, as our biology dictates that often we cannot be equal

category12 · 04/09/2021 08:49

I think ftengineerm was talking about the dynamics of her relationship not changing, not the financial side of it.

backtolifebacktoreality · 04/09/2021 19:14

[quote Boatonthehorizon]@CoffeeTopUp
Haircut / colour £90
Nails £25
Eyebrows £10
Dress £50
Shoes £30
New tights £5

£210 and thats doing it cheaply. Expense is one of the reasons I dont bother any more.[/quote]

Seriously?

Why have your hair cut and coloured especially for a date?

Do you have to buy new shoes etc?

YukoandHiro · 04/09/2021 19:15

No! It would put me off if he insisted on paying

backtolifebacktoreality · 04/09/2021 19:19

@AhNowTed

It's nothing to do with being gentlemanly.

I don't want to be in a relationship with a man who is mean with money as it's a very unattractive trait.

If he offers to pay then he's obviously not mean.

Having said that, I don't expect him to pay more often than me. I'm more than prepared to pay my own way (and in fact want to)!

category12 · 04/09/2021 19:24

[quote backtolifebacktoreality]@AhNowTed

It's nothing to do with being gentlemanly.

I don't want to be in a relationship with a man who is mean with money as it's a very unattractive trait.

If he offers to pay then he's obviously not mean.

Having said that, I don't expect him to pay more often than me. I'm more than prepared to pay my own way (and in fact want to)![/quote]
No, he could be mean. He might be willing to put on a show to start with and then turn out to be keeping a mental log of what you "owe" him. Him paying for the first date only tells you he's willing to play the conventional role on a first date.

Also some men think transactionally about dating - that if they spend a lot on you for a date, they deserve sex.

LargeBouquet · 04/09/2021 19:25

Haircut / colour £90
Nails £25
Eyebrows £10
Dress £50
Shoes £30
New tights £5

£210 and that's doing it cheaply. Expense is one of the reasons I dont bother any more.

If that's doing date personal prep 'cheaply', pray inform us what kind of sums would be involved in doing it expensively? And what kind of activities? Botox? Liposuction? Hair transplants? Nose jobs? Buttock augmentation? Charm classes?

Wrapitupgood · 04/09/2021 21:29

And of course the dress and shoes are single-use only, that being why their entire cost counts against the date they're bought for.

TurnTowardsTheSun · 05/09/2021 01:53

@PurpleDaisies

A relationship is all about give and take of course but you want a man to treat you right I assume? If he can't even be arsed to treat you to dinner on a first date when he's supposed to be setting out his stall then no thanks, I'd be off.

Treating someone well doesn’t mean having to pay for them. Would you pay for everything next time?

That's exactly what I'd do. So on a first date, if it has gone well I would expect the person who has asked the other person to dinner to pay. That is basic manners.

If I had no intention of seeing the person again I'd insist to pay 50%. But if I did want to see them again and they had asked me to dinner I'd expect them to pay, and I would then pick up the tab the next time.

Tbh this is how it works with my friends too, we just take turns to pay without any discussion, discreetly. It's very embarrassing and crass to start discussing payment at the end of the meal! Usually one person pays it while the other is in the lavatory or something so it doesn't even come up in conversation, it is just recognised with a thank you when the friend who has not paid realises that the other has.

It's very odd for someone on a date to make a big deal of this and insist on splitting the bill when that would be very embarrassing behaviour even between close friends. Not going to make a great impression on the prospective date, is it? Grin Why would you ask someone to dinner at whatever venue if you don't have the money to pay for it?

NiceGerbil · 05/09/2021 03:15

My dates have always been in the pub and I've looked pretty much like usual.

I live in London though which apparently is the scruffiest place in the UK.

The idea of a restaurant meal for a first date and investing that much time and money in my appearance is not something I can relate to

Is this a modern thing? About where you live?

What if you don't like them? You can't make a quick escape so easily.

NiceGerbil · 05/09/2021 03:19

':53TurnTowardsTheSun

PurpleDaisies

A relationship is all about give and take of course but you want a man to treat you right I assume? If he can't even be arsed to treat you to dinner on a first date when he's supposed to be setting out his stall then no thanks, I'd be off.

Treating someone well doesn’t mean having to pay for them. Would you pay for everything next time?'

IME men who want to buy stuff for you expect something in return. Just my experience. Even if it's just a drink.

And I don't pay for my friends when we go out to eat. I would never accept them paying for me. That's so weird. We all have different amounts of disposable income. I would no way be ok with a friend who has little cash to pay for me while I was in the bog. Should I treat her every time? That's a bit sort of. Not right.

Different areas different norms I suppose.

FTEngineerM · 05/09/2021 07:16

@Comedycook yeah sorry I should have elaborated on that, no we don’t go ‘halfsies’ whilst I earn a tenth. I meant the fact I am independent, I have savings which I am not going to use on maternity, I mean we still act like equal partners, there has been no power shift. Pregnancy and childbirth comes at a great ‘cost’ to a woman’s body and mind, I don’t think women should spend their personal savings when they take time to recover from that (if they can help it of course).

FTEngineerM · 05/09/2021 07:22

but you want a man to treat you right I assume

Treat me right is not paying for my lunch if we go out for a first date, though.

Danceswithwhippets · 05/09/2021 08:34

Be honest. If a man expected you...
to split the bill on a first date would it put you off?

The thread has widened in scope -the OP was talking about a first date.

When I was a student, and we were all equally poor, it was unsaid that each would pay their own way (I’m a man) and if it developed into a relationship then both typically would continue paying their own way. The exception was that if one or the other was in the money -eg birthday/ generous granny -perhaps then he/she would volunteer.

I’ve done a lot of OLD since those days, and often the issue doesn’t arise because the cost is not significant if the date is not an expensive outing. A woman once said to me “the purpose of a first date is to see if it’s worth having a second date” -very true, so coffee/cake or a simple lunch /evening drink is best. Neither wants to invest a lot of time or money if a first date isn’t going to go anywhere.

With OLD, the relationship begins absolutely equally -you are both on a site having paid the fees and for the same reason, and you agree to meet for a date. One may be the first to suggest you meet but the man does not “ask the woman one out” in an old-fashioned sense, so there’s no suggestion that the woman is doing the man a favour.

It’s happened sometimes though that for one reason or another my first or next early dates have been costly and typically I’ve offered to pay, because it’s the polite thing to do and generally the woman accepts. But it’s a problem if you’re doing a lot of first/second dating and the cost mounts up.

In my experience when they meet up both people are roughly aware of the others financial circumstances (job, child maintenance, home ownership/renting) so can be sensitive to the other and will offer to split. During and after my divorce I was struggling financially this was very true.

I would find it a turn-off if a woman had an entitled attitude and saw it as her right to be paid for early in a relationship. I have generally dated women of equal professional and financial status to me so there has been no disparity. I have lived through generations of feminism and independent women so am aware of the problem that they quite rightly are wary of men paying and because of it expecting a return for their money (ie sex.)

Journeyofthedragons · 05/09/2021 09:55

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Be honest. If a man expected you...
RestingStitchFace · 05/09/2021 10:00

Nope. I'd prefer it tbh.

ILikeYourHair · 13/09/2021 08:22

Turnoff.

OddSockBandit · 15/09/2021 00:05

It's good manners for the person who asks the other person to dinner to pay, as they extended the invitation and choose the restaurant. I would not accept the offer if I wasn't going to see the person again, but would accept and organise and pay for the following meal if there was to be one. It works this way with my friends too and always has, without ever being discussed. It ruins a nice evening out if there is a crass and awkward fuss about the bill at the end; whoever is taking out the person they have invited settles the bill as discreetly as possible.

KingdomScrolls · 15/09/2021 00:33

No, I've never needed a man to pay my way, DH included. I'd much rather pay for myself, in that context, too many men expect strings if they've paid and I can afford my own dinner, lack of penis doesn't cost me anything.

SleepingStandingUp · 15/09/2021 10:46

I went out the weekend with a male friend by mutual agreement and he paid. It's always nice when someone wants to treat you

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