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Would you leave your 15/16yr old to move abroad?

232 replies

Horehound · 30/07/2021 21:20

Just wondering how many parents would make this decision really.
15/16yr old fairly young for their age but adamant they don't want to move abroad and school on a foreign school for one year nor leave their boyfriend and friends.

You're moving because your husband was made redundant, no work around and has been offered a job abroad.

Would you make your child go or what would you do?

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Disfordarkchocolate · 31/07/2021 09:34

I'd stay with my child.

Recessed · 31/07/2021 09:37

Surely only the shittiest of parents would actually do that??!

HappyDaysToCome · 31/07/2021 09:38

This happened to a cousin at 16. She was certain her parents wouldn’t go without her, her parents were certain she’d give in. At 18 she did move to be with her parents.

I think it has damaged her relationship with her parents, her mum in particular (Dads tend to get forgiven for such things I find). But less so than with you OP as this was not part of a pattern of behaviour. I think it’s bad enough on its own, but everything else you describe is part of overall emotional neglect and behaviours that aren’t fitting of supportive parents.

ConfusedNoMore · 31/07/2021 09:40

My parents didn't do anything as extreme but I was left alone a lot while they went on holiday. They will sometimes recognise it wasn't great but then also say things like I was very mature.

I think I was mature because I didn't feel I could go off the rails. My brother did that and got the attention. I was the youngest and had to just get on with it.

I totally relate to being treated as an adult when I wasn't. My Dad had an affair and I was like a mum to my mum when she went through the heartbreak. But I was navigating my first relationships and shouldn't have been dealing with Dad's mistress trying to be my mate and my mother telling me very adult information that no kid wants to hear about their parents.

They definitely separated their relationship from our family unit. And they still keep me ta arms length despite saying things like they wish they could see me more ( they don't because they would if they meant it). They do love me but like someone else said upthread, they are messed up.

Therapy is good op. Hope it helps when you go back.

Ladyrattles · 31/07/2021 09:43

My step dad moved abroad for a year before we followed.

turkeyboots · 31/07/2021 09:50

I saw this happen. 3 of my classmates were left when their parents job moved, one big local employer. It was decided they should finish up at school for the last 2 years. 2 lived alone in flats. One was party central and the police were involved regularly. The other lived in isolation, covering up for her parents and it had a life long impact on her mental health.

Number 3 was settled with a friends family and that all went fairly well.
Even as a teenager I was shocked.

WaltzingToWalsingham · 31/07/2021 10:02

Oh dear OP, I'm sorry you're feeling abandoned. But I have to say, I do see your parents' point of view. Your dad moved abroad for work, having been made redundant, and your mum went too. I can understand that - had she stayed in the UK, their marriage may well not have survived the pressures of long separation. You were invited to join them and you chose not to. Your regret that decision now, but I think it was reasonable for your parents to respect your choice and not force you to come. After all, at 16 you could legally have left home - many 16-year-olds do. I don't think that they abandoned or neglected you - they arranged for you to live with your grandparents, who you said were great, so it's not as if you had to fend for yourself. They paid for you to fly out to them regularly, and your mum came back to see you every few months.

Loads of children all around the world are left with grandparents while their parents seek work abroad, and they're often much younger than you were. It's not ideal and I think their parents hate to leave them (and I'm sure your parents did too), but sometimes needs must.

Would it be worth talking to your parents about how they felt living apart from you? You might find that they missed you terribly and wished that you had been with them, but thought that they were doing the best thing for you. Flowers

Puffalicious · 31/07/2021 10:08

Morning OP

You were neglected. Pure and simple I see this as cruel, tantamount to child abuse.

My DS1 is almost 17 and super clever, independent-minded and sensible but he is still a child and needs his parents! He's still in school and needs us to help him navigate life. He's still developing morals, ideas and what the world is. It's a lovely, exciting time in his life and I want to be there for him the whole way. He could be off to University when he's 18 and I want him close until then and after. I had children because I want to be there for their entire life, not a time- sensitive period.

I hope you work through your feelings and find a peace within yourself 🤔Flowers

Horehound · 31/07/2021 10:32

Two totally opposite view points there! Lol
The grandparents I stayed with were not great. That was the other set I lived with when I was 8.
The grandparents I stayed with were ok but strict and we did have our strains which did then lead to me moving to the other grandparents at the end of school.

And I do know what you mean, what else would they do? But since mum didn't work for the first two years I feel like I still could have seen her more at least 🤷
I really don't want to talk to them about it. I know it will end up with me feeling worse.

It's not that I regret my decision now it's that it was very hard at the time. I didn't realise how much I needed them but surely as parents they should have known?!

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ConfusedNoMore · 31/07/2021 10:43

You're right. They should have known. They were selfish and didn't make the effort before or after they went to do right by you You're also right that raising it will make you feel worse. Sounds like you're doing some good processing. There's nothing like having your own children to make you re-evaluate your own childhood!

Horehound · 31/07/2021 10:58

Definitely!

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marmaladehound · 31/07/2021 11:01

@Horehound

Two totally opposite view points there! Lol The grandparents I stayed with were not great. That was the other set I lived with when I was 8. The grandparents I stayed with were ok but strict and we did have our strains which did then lead to me moving to the other grandparents at the end of school.

And I do know what you mean, what else would they do? But since mum didn't work for the first two years I feel like I still could have seen her more at least 🤷
I really don't want to talk to them about it. I know it will end up with me feeling worse.

It's not that I regret my decision now it's that it was very hard at the time. I didn't realise how much I needed them but surely as parents they should have known?!

I really don't think it's fair to place this kind of decision into a 15/16 yr old. God I recall been invited to go on a great holiday with my parents to a very beautiful country when I was 17, i said no, I'll stay at home. I so did not want to miss out on summer with my friends, but I sure regretted it later! My point is obviously not a comparison but just that as a teen we don't necessarily make the best choices, so something like missing out on a holiday is absolutely not a big deal but to make a wrong choice that separates you from your parents? No you were too young for that choice and now it's like some people are saying it was your responsibility as you made the choice AGE 15, so you have to live with it! Nope it was your parents responsibility, not yours and that it was put on your shoulder was wrong.

So have to say I disagree with the posts saying what else could they have done. They could have kept the family together by being the adult and actually not giving you the choice but empathising and supporting you with the challenge it would be for you to relocate. Or your mum could have stayed with you with lots of trips to see your father and vice versa. This in my opinion would be what a sensible parent would do.

Mooloolabababy · 31/07/2021 11:10

Can't believe that some people think that this is ok, I'm totally shocked by that! 15 years is a vulnerable age, you are still a child but try to act like an adult, you still need the comfort and security of your parents, you have so much internal conflict! I have a 16 year old dd and I would never abandon her like that! If your mum didn't work for the first 2 years then I can't see that they were that desperate for money. Your mum had a business that was bringing in an income and she chose to close it down and move overseas with your dad. Surely your mum could have continued with the business and your dad could have found alternative work. You say that they bought you and your brother a flat, if they had the funds to do that then moving abroad wasn't their only option. Honestly op, I would struggle to have a relationship with my parents if they did that to me. Thanks

LouHotel · 31/07/2021 11:21

Honest opinion OP from someone's whose dad did the same (not mother) they've been 'good these last few years' because their starting to think about their old age and who will be looking after them.

You need to set your boundaries up, these people washed their hands of parenting too early they have no right for you to take care of them in old age and that is absolutely why they are back now sowing seeds.

ancientgran · 31/07/2021 11:25

What was your relationship with grandparents? I think alot would depend on that. I have two GC who virtually live with me anyway, two who would probably settle OK with me and two who probably wouldn't like it.

With my eldest two I'd think if it happened it would be more appropriate to do sixth form locally and stay with me for the 3 years.

crikeycrumbsblimey · 31/07/2021 11:26

@Horehound
It is wasn’t your decision to make! I’m possibly reaching a bit here but by giving you the option they absolved themselves of any responsibility if it went wrong. Your choice, your problem.
Shitty thing to do. Parents should own their decisions, they weren’t empowering you they were passing the buck!

Horehound · 31/07/2021 11:26

@Mooloolabababy yes this is what I think too. The flats they bought were bought outright, they made money on them when sold. It was in their interest to buy flats rather than rent a place on our behalves etc.
They've always had money, they have a lot of money and I agree that she could have easily kept the business going. She just didn't want to be away from my dad.
She's still like this now if I suggest a girly weekend away or even a dinner etc it's strange because my dad does like his own time and has lots of things to keep him busy. She does also go for nights away with her sisters and stuff yet if I suggest it, it would be a bit of a hoo ha and probably not happen. She did come to my hen do which was 2 nights away from my dad so I guess that's something!

@LouHotel mum has actually said they don't expect us to look after them actually. So that's something at least!

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crikeycrumbsblimey · 31/07/2021 11:27

& yes what @LouHotel says put your boundaries up.
My friend was in a similar position & now her mum needs her all different!

ancientgran · 31/07/2021 11:28

Sorry, just realised I missed your comments about grandparents, doesn't sound like they were a good idea.

Where I live we get lots of Hong Kong Chinese come over to do GCSE and A levels locally. I think it is to do with status for university. They lodge with local families and my kids were friends with some when they were at school. They seemed to find it perfectly normal so maybe it depends on how people view it.

Horehound · 31/07/2021 11:28

[quote crikeycrumbsblimey]@Horehound
It is wasn’t your decision to make! I’m possibly reaching a bit here but by giving you the option they absolved themselves of any responsibility if it went wrong. Your choice, your problem.
Shitty thing to do. Parents should own their decisions, they weren’t empowering you they were passing the buck![/quote]
Yes I see it this way too. I was too young to lake that choice

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FuckingFabulous · 31/07/2021 11:34

I've spoken to my DH this morning about this. He said that at 18 he was much more like a 15 year old because of his ADHD (unmedicated then, hence why he could join the forces) and because his parents had never encouraged him to have friendships or relationships outside of the home. They dumped him with various babysitters he'd never met before so they could go out on day trips or to parties and they started leaving him and his sibling alone when they were 15 and 11 to go away to Europe for the weekend. He was relentlessly bullied by his older sibling, which they knew, but still left him in their care. They worked schedules which meant they were never there to see him to school from the age of about eight and then they weren't there when he got home from the age of about 11. He'd be left instructions for getting dinner sorted for the arrival of everyone else. His sibling was off doing whatever they wanted. He struggled horribly with it all due to his ADHD and his DF constantly telling him what a disappointment he was.

Anyway, he says he guesses they got tired of waiting for him to grow up and move away so that they could wash their hands of the parenting side of their lives, so when he got to 18 and got a job he loved in a restaurant, his parents didn't want him to keep it and pushed hard for him to join the forces. He didn't want to, but he had it drilled into him that he'd amount to nothing etc. He joined up, an 18 year old who had a reclusive childhood and few social skills. He was again, relentlessly bullied and felt suicidal, plus was seriously struggling with understanding instructions and regulations, which he told his parents about, but they were far more interested in his sibling who had recently emigrated. He went home on leave twice, then they emigrated halfway around the world to be near his sibling. For years he had nowhere to go when he had leave. He just stayed in his room while everyone else went home. His parents felt they did their duty by Skyping once a fortnight. I guess once he met me, they felt even more like he wasn't their responsibility anymore.

We probably get a FaceTime from them once every six weeks. Although he finds it hard to process and name his emotions, I think he feels he was really abandoned by his parents, and that the process started before they upped and left. And although the military way of life eventually suited him due to the routine, it broke his self confidence and his drive to make friends. I place that squarely on their shoulders. They should have known their boy. They should have known he would struggle and they should have been patient and helpful- waiting for him to find his feet in the adult world and guiding him toward independence while he did the job he loved. Instead they crushed his emerging happiness at finding a social group to fit into and they badgered him into an unsuitable life and left him all on his own. Cruel.

I think your parents were cruel too, OP. You don't do that to your kids. Abandonment is the height of selfishness and it leaves such deep scars. I'm really sorry for 15 year old you- you deserved much better care.

TwinsandTrifle · 31/07/2021 11:35

Haven't rtft. Got the jist I think.

I would move abroad with DH and DTwins and leave teen DS, taking the following into account:

  1. Location moving to, would have to be once in lifetime opportunity. My idea of the perfect place for us all. DH is in finance, so Cayman Islands perhaps.
  1. DS has excellent relationship with DGP. He's the first (and for a long time only) grandchild. Treated like royalty Hmm I wouldn't have any concern about his welfare. They'd be driving him to golf every week. Running their lives around him, and loving every minute.
  1. We'd come back for a week probably two three times a year. On top of that, all school holidays, we would fly DS out. So he'd spend 16-18 weeks with us throughout the year. Which is getting on for a third.
  1. Our set up would be such that DS could live with us at any point. Once education completed, or before. Once education finished, it would be his choice to remain in the UK, or join us, but I would still ensure he came out at least twice a year, and we returned twice a year, so there would be continued contact and support.

So, if I could satisfy all of those things, I'd consider going. If I couldn't, I wouldn't.

picklemewalnuts · 31/07/2021 13:03

@ancientgran

Sorry, just realised I missed your comments about grandparents, doesn't sound like they were a good idea.

Where I live we get lots of Hong Kong Chinese come over to do GCSE and A levels locally. I think it is to do with status for university. They lodge with local families and my kids were friends with some when they were at school. They seemed to find it perfectly normal so maybe it depends on how people view it.

I think that's a bit different because the home base is still there. I'd also expect they get quite a good level of financial support. In OP's case, home was dismantled, and her parents charged her rent.

And as for a PP saying you can leave home at 16, I'd say no you can't. Until you are 18 your parents have responsibility for you. You are still in education.

baileys6904 · 31/07/2021 13:19

Sorry but to the poster that's saying it's neglectful, absolute bollocks.
That's like saying every service couple in the world are neglectful if they don't drag their kids with them. Boarding schools would also not exist.
I'm sorry to the OP that she wasn't happy with the out one but plenty of people at that age are being empowered to make their decision so can't really place the blame on the parents. However neither can the parents blame the child. Everyone thought it was the best decision at the time

crankysaurus · 31/07/2021 13:40

Some mid & late teens really are ready for independent life but some really aren't and need parental support for more years. I'll stick by saying that casting them adrift with inadequate practical and emotional support is neglectful, for the OP and for others (FuckingFabulous' DH especially). That doesn't equate to all kids boarding or living with grandparents but I think in the cases on this thread they had priorities higher than their children's well-being that a lot of people would consider the wrong way round.