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Husband’s studies are destroying our marriage

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 12:21

DH and I have been together for almost 10 years, married for 6 and have 2 DC aged almost 3 and 12 months. We met at uni so both have degrees and have subsequently had decent, fairly well paid careers ever since.

Over the years DH has had numerous harebrained ideas such as going back to uni to study politics and become an MP, he got as far as applying through clearing but then backed out when he was accepted. He has also paid for random courses on groupon which he’s never completed and often speaks about business ventures he’d like to undertake. None ever materialise so I think I can be forgiven for rolling my eyes and not always taking him seriously.

In 2019 he decided he wanted to return to uni to get a second degree relevant to his career. It wasn’t necessary at all, it won’t further his career prospects within the company as far as I can see. It was more him wanting to further his knowledge within the field. He decided this in July 2019, his boss amazingly agreed and by August 2019 he had been accepted. When he mentioned it to me I honestly just thought he’d back out of it like he did with everything else but to my surprise, he didn’t.

Ever since it began our marriage has taken a major tumble. When he first started we only had one baby and I’d just returned to work but fell pregnant unexpectedly about 2 months after he started uni. As the Christmas period approached that year he had exams and he was so stressed out, he stayed up all night for a week revising and survived on energy drinks. It really wasn’t a healthy way to live, not even as a young student but he was now obviously late 20s with a young child and a job to go to the next day. We were already struggling at this point but obviously lockdown happened and the rest of the academic year was cancelled.

I’d say the lockdown period last year is the last time we actually got on. We had DC2 July 2020 and we really got on fantastically well until he returned to uni in September. Once he returned and had assignments and exams, it basically all went to shit. Once again he was a frazzled mess, pulling all nighters, constantly stressed out and worrying, spending entire weekends locked away in his study, barely spending time with us. He has no work/life balance at all, if he isn’t at work he seems to be studying at home.

The past 3/4 months have been worse than ever because he’s had numerous exams and assignments due in at a similar time so he’s been pretty much unbearable. He’s used all of his annual leave on study days, we went away for a long weekend to the coast last week and I had to take DC out alone because he stayed behind to study. He rarely helps out with DC anymore, I bath and put both to bed while he sits studying. He had yesterday off work to study so literally sat from the minute he got up to the minute we went to bed on his laptop. I can barely get a word in edgeways because he’s constantly discussing uni. It isn’t my field and not something I have much interest in so I usually have no idea what he’s talking about. I think it’s made worse by the fact he doesn’t only want a second degree but wants to graduate with a first again so he’s adamant he has to do his absolute best on every assignment/exam.

I have PND which is only amplifying my resentment towards him. I’m having weekly counselling sessions and the counsellor has said I need more support from him with DC, a GP told me this too. We moved away from my family before DC1 was born so I rarely see them and I don’t have any friends here either, I’m quite isolated atm but return to work PT in September so hoping that will help. I can’t pin the PND solely on him but have been told women who are both isolated from family/friends and who don’t receive any support with their children are more at risk. I didn’t have PND after DC1 so I’m thinking it’s because he isn’t very supportive.

The absolute worst thing is when people make out he’s some kind of messiah because he manages to work, study and has two small children. FIL is forever saying how proud he is and asking him not to ‘burn himself out’ Hmm. He’s chosen to study, it really isn’t necessary at all and nobody has forced him to do this. He also doesn’t do very much with DC or housework so he spends the vast majority of his time studying, none of this would be possible without me constantly picking up the slack.

I’m honestly just fed up and I have told him I don’t see our marriage lasting over the next year. I can’t imagine how he’s going to be with his dissertation, I don’t think I’ll be able to cope. I’m on the verge of ending our marriage right now because I’m struggling to see past this. I know he only has a year left and if I’ve survived the past 2, I should be able to push myself through the next one but I honestly can’t see a way through right now.

Just seeking some general advice, is divorce the only option? I still love him dearly but I really can’t cope with this. I know a lot of women deal with their OH’s working away for months at a time but I wouldn’t be able to, it isn’t what I signed up for really. He could have done this degree when the DC were older and at school, I honestly have no idea why he chose to do it right now when they’re so small and need help with everything. I’m going to spend some time at my Mum’s next week to get a break away from him and clear my head a bit.

OP posts:
Bythemillpond · 29/07/2021 13:39

The thing is that this won’t be the end.

There was no need to do this degree. It won’t mean he gets a 6 figure salary. If he wants that then he needs to change jobs every 2-3 years and work his self up and take courses on things that are relevant if he needs to.
This degree is madness and will cost him a lot more than 6 figures in the long run if you leave.

I know Dh took particular exams to make himself more employable in a certain industry. He condensed the 5 years of study into 1 year working every night and weekend for 6 months, then took all the exams at once then had just one more to go which he studied for slowly over the next 6 months. It was hell and this was before children.

Why didn’t he do a masters instead of this degree?

I would tell him to leave and find a flat he can study in peace in and then call you next year when it is over and then you can decide what you want to do

SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 13:40

@Howshouldibehave

I’m stunned that his work are paying for him to do a second undergraduate degree that won’t help him in his career at work?! What on earth is it in for them?!

I would be mad as well, OP-he’s just checking out of family life.

To be fair, it's the OP who says it won't help. I can't imagine an employer paying for it if they also thought that.
Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:40

@SixesAndEights

Something that stood out for me is that he's started, or been about to start, numerous qualifications then dropped out and you've criticised him for that, yet here he is sticking with something and you don't want him to do that either. In fact, you're quite disparaging about the whole thing. He says it will deepen his knowledge, that it's relevant. His work have paid for it so they must also think it's worthwhile, even if you're amazed they've done so. Employers don't splash out money for no reason. His boss must believe it will be beneficial even if you don't.

A relative of mine studied for an MA whilst working full time and with two very young children. Her husband, also working full time, picked up the slack. She barely slept and lived off vitamin pills.

I don't know OP, you say he hasn't been supportive of you, yet you've rolled your eyes at his studying, don't engage when he talks about it because you're not interested, are amazed his employer paid for it, you think it's pointless, and you thought he'd back out of it because he had done with everything else.

You talk about wanting him to defer, and I feel you'd rather he just stopped, but wouldn't that just end up being another thing he doesn't finish?

He's working full time and doing a degree full time. You're currently looking after the children full time. Perhaps a balance would be him taking some of the load off you, and you taking some of the load off him, too. So you both feel better supported in both your lives.

He never started the previous courses, he just applied but decided against it when he was accepted or he’d pay for random groupon courses then never bother doing them. I pointed this out because I honestly thought this degree would be the same, something he’d decide he wanted to do but would pull out at the last minute. It surprised me he bothered following through with it to the extent he has just because he has quite a fickle nature.

I don’t support it because he doesn’t need to do it right now. He could do this in a few years when our DC are older at school. It isn’t necessary and vital for career progression, I was amazed his boss agreed to it for that reason really. He already has a first class degree within his field, I’m not sure why he’d ever need another.

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 29/07/2021 13:41

@Howshouldibehave

I’m stunned that his work are paying for him to do a second undergraduate degree that won’t help him in his career at work?! What on earth is it in for them?!

I would be mad as well, OP-he’s just checking out of family life.

Also how long is he tied to them afterwards to ‘repay’ it. If he’s not going to get his 6 figure salary with them he’s going to be very annoyed at having to stay for a long period.

So sorry your dealing with this, how is his mood under stress, is it just the checking out of family life or does he also have a mood like the mists of Armageddon that radiate into everyone’s conscience? If it’s the latter I would definitely go for the year separation.

My DH worked away when the dc were young, it’s much easier than what you’re dealing with as they are not there so you just get on with it, rather than feeling resentment that they are there but doing fuck all and they are there but you have to ‘support’ them too.

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:45

AFAIK he isn’t tied to them after completion so he plans to leave and get something better paid (even though his current salary is fine) as soon as he can. I think it’s a prickish thing to do because the company have treat him very well but he wants to earn a lot more and doesn’t see himself ever doing so with this company.

I agree re working away, I thought that too. I resent him more because he is in the house but he isn’t helping out.

His mood is not great at all. He’s ruined plenty of trips out because he’s suddenly flipped out realising he ‘could be at home studying’ so essentially views spending time with DC and I as wasting valuable study time.

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 29/07/2021 13:51

@Yelpforhelpp

AFAIK he isn’t tied to them after completion so he plans to leave and get something better paid (even though his current salary is fine) as soon as he can. I think it’s a prickish thing to do because the company have treat him very well but he wants to earn a lot more and doesn’t see himself ever doing so with this company.

I agree re working away, I thought that too. I resent him more because he is in the house but he isn’t helping out.

His mood is not great at all. He’s ruined plenty of trips out because he’s suddenly flipped out realising he ‘could be at home studying’ so essentially views spending time with DC and I as wasting valuable study time.

This is interesting, I’d be very very surprised if there isn’t a tie in, or the company are idiots to spend £27k on him without some form of security.

It’s the mood that would be a deal breaker for me. Realistically it’s not quite another year as the diss is often due towards the end of May but I think you need to have some serious conversations about it during his down time in August.

Good luck. 💐

tofuschnitzel · 29/07/2021 13:52

Is going down to part-time study for the final year really not an option? Has your DP told you this without asking the uni, or can it actually not be taken part time? I find it hard to believe that a university would be so unaccommodating to a student in this situation. If your DH is adamant that he must continue, then he needs to be flexible about the final year in order to support you. I really feel for you, OP.

MooseBeTimeForSummer · 29/07/2021 13:52

If you did separate I can’t see things changing over the last year. He’ll be too busy studying to have contact with the kids and you can’t force him to have 50/50 if he doesn’t want it. He’d probably also decide that MIL isn’t all that bad after all, go and live with her and give up work to concentrate full time on a Masters, so you’d get no maintenance either.

SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 13:52

I’m spending some time at my Mum’s next week which he knows but he’s said he isn’t happy about it because his hand in date is next Thursday then his work is complete until he starts again in September. He was hoping we’d ‘celebrate’ together on Friday hmm, I amazingly don’t feel like celebrating.

Well it does seem wanky waiting till he's got some free time then taking yourself off.

Basically he signed up initially to do a 5 year part time degree which would have meant he’d get the classic 3 months off over summer as most students do. Last year August due to covid the university decided to ‘streamline’ the degree (it’s a lesser known subject so there’s only 10 others doing the same degree with him) and turn it into a 3 year degree. This has meant he’s had extra work to do over the summer and now only gets August off.

So it's not actually his fault that he only has a month off, when he signed up it was three.

Howshouldibehave · 29/07/2021 13:53

What is the degree, out of interest?

I can’t believe he’s persuaded his work to pay for a degree (what’s that, £2k tuition fees and the time off to do it?!) and he wants to immediately leave?!

Billybagpuss · 29/07/2021 13:54

I don’t mind supporting people with things and picking up the slack if they are nice and appreciative and give the impression they understand the sacrifices you are making and make it clear it’s not forever and plan how to reciprocate in the future, (I take it he will be doing the parenting while you do a masters then?)

stayathomer · 29/07/2021 13:54

The people on here saying the op's dh should aim for a 2.1 and the op should tell him so- that is crazy! You can't tell someone not to try their very best for an education? There's a lot of people saying the OP's dh is selfish and yes I agree in some ways, but I also think if someone was talking about me like this, how awful I am to want to do something to further myself- it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth

SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 13:58

You seem on completely different pages OP. You think he should stay with his employer and that his current salary is fine. He obviously doesn't agree. He has some sort of ambition workwise for himself whereas you don't.

AnneElliott · 29/07/2021 13:58

I do think it's suspicious he signed up for this when the reality of small children becomes clear.

H did this with a second job on the side of his main one. No real need - he got a bit of extra cash but I think it was a way of ducking out of family life.

It's probably worth mentioning to him that aside from upsetting you, it will mean he doesn't have that great a bond with his kids. I've only got 1 but there is a really clear difference in how close DS and I are and him with H. He loves him but he doesn't go to him for advice, help and just hanging out. It's always been just me and him and that's how it still is even though the second job is long gone.

H resents that but he thought he was being oh so clever but opting out of the rai my days out at the park - but they built a bond that he finds he can't create now that DS is older.

candycane222 · 29/07/2021 14:00

He doesn't need ro 'further himself' though, does he? He has a good job, home and family. The only 'further' he'll be getting is further away.

Henis colossally selfish, and really does nor seem to care about the stress and misery he is heaping on OP.

IMO he is not fit to be called a husband. Like PPs, I also suspect this is what he's going to be like for the reat of the kids' childhoods, if he gts the chance.

Sonofabiscuit · 29/07/2021 14:02

Trust me I've never known an employer pay for training /courses without a cause saying if leave within so long ,you pay it back.

candycane222 · 29/07/2021 14:03

Am tempted to suggest you start conspicuously looking for uni courses to enrol in the day he graduates. You should at keast get him to think through IN DETAIL what would be required of him if you did. What's sauce for the goose (or gander in rhis case..)

AntiWorkBrigade · 29/07/2021 14:06

@stayathomer - of course you can tell someone not to try their very best if the difference between putting in the time to a good result and trying their very best is the difference between participating in family life or not. Great if you can get a first, but not if the extra effort required means your partner is left to look after young kids on their own.

Ozanj · 29/07/2021 14:06

It will take me 9 years to finish my degree because I couldn’t check out of life. I was working 50-60 hr weeks for most of it, went through ivf, had a baby, moved house, and it has taught me so much about time management in addition to the book knowledge. Looks like your DH hasn’t learned anything like that.

SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 14:09

@stayathomer

The people on here saying the op's dh should aim for a 2.1 and the op should tell him so- that is crazy! You can't tell someone not to try their very best for an education? There's a lot of people saying the OP's dh is selfish and yes I agree in some ways, but I also think if someone was talking about me like this, how awful I am to want to do something to further myself- it just leaves a bad taste in the mouth
I agree! And it's only the OP's opinion that what he's doing isn't worthwhile, his employer seems to think it is.
HollowTalk · 29/07/2021 14:16

@Howshouldibehave

What is the degree, out of interest?

I can’t believe he’s persuaded his work to pay for a degree (what’s that, £2k tuition fees and the time off to do it?!) and he wants to immediately leave?!

Where on earth is tuition £2K?
SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 14:17

I do think it's suspicious he signed up for this when the reality of small children becomes clear.

He didn't though did he? He signed up and started when they had one child. Then they had a second unexpected baby when he was studying.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 29/07/2021 14:18

His employers must think it’s while as it must be costing them at least £27k so a huge amount to invest in an employee. He is right to stick with it and give it his all. He can’t just defer or drop out when someone else is funding it.
When he committed to the course there wasn’t a pregnancy or baby on the horizon. When that was known, the uni and committment were already there.

Dixiechickonhols · 29/07/2021 14:21

You need to be frank with him. Can you get someone to babysit friday and talk instead of celebrate. You know what next 12 months will look like. It's time to decide what you want and how you are prepared to live.If you decide to stay together one option is throw money at it - au pair, cleaner, mother's help. Or separate and agree days he'll have children. If it was just 12 months then it might be a case of hanging on but it sounds like he was wanting to check out of family life anyway and will find another mechanism when year is up.

MyriadeOfThings · 29/07/2021 14:22

Well your biggest mistake was to think it would all peter out and not to say that actually him going back to Uni was an issue for you. How as he supposed to know? And how were you supposed to put things in place so that him being at Uni would work for you too if eh didn't know all of this is an issue for you?

Fwiw my DH did something similar than you. He said yes when I wanted to go back to Uni and then spent 3 years being a right pain in the arse because ... he didnt like it one bit when he actually had to step up and make some efforts so I could carry on to do my degree.

He also had the same reaction than you - putting down the degree I was doing as not worth it etc....

Imo you have to step back. You AGREE to him doing that degree. His company obviously thinks its worth doing (regardless of what you think, I very much doubt they would pay for something that isn't going to bring him any new skills/knowledge). And ikt's his career. You have no right to tell him which company he should stay with, whats sort of job to do etc... just because it works better for you/you think that's what he should be doing.

Instead of being deeply ressentful you need to have a chat with him on how to find a better balance. It's the hols, no exams in the way atm so use that opportunity to plan for the next year.
It might be that actually he needs to split the year to have more time as a family. It might be that it would be better to get it out of the way all in one go.
It might be that he needs to plan some time together raher vthan using all his hols for revisions etc...
It might be that he needs to ask his company if he can have some time off to study.

But it certainly won't get solved f the only things you can think about is the fact he is deepy unreasonnable to even have started to do more studying and is therefore wrong all the way..... And you are right all the way.

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