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Husband’s studies are destroying our marriage

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 12:21

DH and I have been together for almost 10 years, married for 6 and have 2 DC aged almost 3 and 12 months. We met at uni so both have degrees and have subsequently had decent, fairly well paid careers ever since.

Over the years DH has had numerous harebrained ideas such as going back to uni to study politics and become an MP, he got as far as applying through clearing but then backed out when he was accepted. He has also paid for random courses on groupon which he’s never completed and often speaks about business ventures he’d like to undertake. None ever materialise so I think I can be forgiven for rolling my eyes and not always taking him seriously.

In 2019 he decided he wanted to return to uni to get a second degree relevant to his career. It wasn’t necessary at all, it won’t further his career prospects within the company as far as I can see. It was more him wanting to further his knowledge within the field. He decided this in July 2019, his boss amazingly agreed and by August 2019 he had been accepted. When he mentioned it to me I honestly just thought he’d back out of it like he did with everything else but to my surprise, he didn’t.

Ever since it began our marriage has taken a major tumble. When he first started we only had one baby and I’d just returned to work but fell pregnant unexpectedly about 2 months after he started uni. As the Christmas period approached that year he had exams and he was so stressed out, he stayed up all night for a week revising and survived on energy drinks. It really wasn’t a healthy way to live, not even as a young student but he was now obviously late 20s with a young child and a job to go to the next day. We were already struggling at this point but obviously lockdown happened and the rest of the academic year was cancelled.

I’d say the lockdown period last year is the last time we actually got on. We had DC2 July 2020 and we really got on fantastically well until he returned to uni in September. Once he returned and had assignments and exams, it basically all went to shit. Once again he was a frazzled mess, pulling all nighters, constantly stressed out and worrying, spending entire weekends locked away in his study, barely spending time with us. He has no work/life balance at all, if he isn’t at work he seems to be studying at home.

The past 3/4 months have been worse than ever because he’s had numerous exams and assignments due in at a similar time so he’s been pretty much unbearable. He’s used all of his annual leave on study days, we went away for a long weekend to the coast last week and I had to take DC out alone because he stayed behind to study. He rarely helps out with DC anymore, I bath and put both to bed while he sits studying. He had yesterday off work to study so literally sat from the minute he got up to the minute we went to bed on his laptop. I can barely get a word in edgeways because he’s constantly discussing uni. It isn’t my field and not something I have much interest in so I usually have no idea what he’s talking about. I think it’s made worse by the fact he doesn’t only want a second degree but wants to graduate with a first again so he’s adamant he has to do his absolute best on every assignment/exam.

I have PND which is only amplifying my resentment towards him. I’m having weekly counselling sessions and the counsellor has said I need more support from him with DC, a GP told me this too. We moved away from my family before DC1 was born so I rarely see them and I don’t have any friends here either, I’m quite isolated atm but return to work PT in September so hoping that will help. I can’t pin the PND solely on him but have been told women who are both isolated from family/friends and who don’t receive any support with their children are more at risk. I didn’t have PND after DC1 so I’m thinking it’s because he isn’t very supportive.

The absolute worst thing is when people make out he’s some kind of messiah because he manages to work, study and has two small children. FIL is forever saying how proud he is and asking him not to ‘burn himself out’ Hmm. He’s chosen to study, it really isn’t necessary at all and nobody has forced him to do this. He also doesn’t do very much with DC or housework so he spends the vast majority of his time studying, none of this would be possible without me constantly picking up the slack.

I’m honestly just fed up and I have told him I don’t see our marriage lasting over the next year. I can’t imagine how he’s going to be with his dissertation, I don’t think I’ll be able to cope. I’m on the verge of ending our marriage right now because I’m struggling to see past this. I know he only has a year left and if I’ve survived the past 2, I should be able to push myself through the next one but I honestly can’t see a way through right now.

Just seeking some general advice, is divorce the only option? I still love him dearly but I really can’t cope with this. I know a lot of women deal with their OH’s working away for months at a time but I wouldn’t be able to, it isn’t what I signed up for really. He could have done this degree when the DC were older and at school, I honestly have no idea why he chose to do it right now when they’re so small and need help with everything. I’m going to spend some time at my Mum’s next week to get a break away from him and clear my head a bit.

OP posts:
Maskless · 30/07/2021 23:27

I agree with the majority on here and would add this: how do you know for certain that he is devoting every minute of his absence to studying? He has a laptop and internet and privacy. He could easily be taking lots of breaks from his studies to surf the net, watch videos, read social media, etc. He may be doing this to delay joining you until he knows the chores are done and the dinner prepared.

Just a thought.

I also think it's time to tell him that because of getting no help from him with the house and kids you are permanently too tired for sex.

cleocleo16 · 30/07/2021 23:34

What's an unnecessary qualification? I am being selfish am I? Nice. So I should sit at home and wait on DH like a good little wife should I? You could say my masters is unnecessary as I am lucky enough not to need to work financially. F off with your judgement. You don't know people's situation. I think her DH should be praised for wanting to better himself. OP might see it as unnecessary but that doesn't mean it is.

pegboardsu · 30/07/2021 23:39

@Demilunary what self pity? Am exhausted but no pity.
Bravo to you for your four degrees. Not sure why you would try to put someone down for trying to get an education?

I am working bloody hard (as am sure you did).

The difference is that DH and my kids support me. As soon as my exams are over, my focus will be back on the family (after DH has taken a very well deserved break).

Demilunary · 30/07/2021 23:40

@Maskless

I agree with the majority on here and would add this: how do you know for certain that he is devoting every minute of his absence to studying? He has a laptop and internet and privacy. He could easily be taking lots of breaks from his studies to surf the net, watch videos, read social media, etc. He may be doing this to delay joining you until he knows the chores are done and the dinner prepared.

Just a thought.

I also think it's time to tell him that because of getting no help from him with the house and kids you are permanently too tired for sex.

I think that’s a fair point. I certainly knew someone who was permanently apparently working all hours and exhausted and stressed, and had opted out of family life — his wife genuinely believed he was holding the business together single handedly, but in fact he was an jnefficient faffer. He could have done exactly the same job working a flat 9 to 5, but it suited him to be permanently ‘upstairs working’ rather than making dinner or loading the washing machine.
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Demilunary · 30/07/2021 23:44

[quote pegboardsu]@Demilunary what self pity? Am exhausted but no pity.
Bravo to you for your four degrees. Not sure why you would try to put someone down for trying to get an education?

I am working bloody hard (as am sure you did).

The difference is that DH and my kids support me. As soon as my exams are over, my focus will be back on the family (after DH has taken a very well deserved break). [/quote]
Oh, for heaven’s sake. What is so difficult to understand about ‘don’t complain about your exhaustion when you’re doing an unnecessary qualification that is dumping unnecessary workload on the other adult in your family?’

Pallisers · 31/07/2021 00:00

No, I don't need this degree but education is never a bad thing.

Actually I think it is a bad thing when acquiring it takes you away from your 4 children, stops you spending significant time with your SN child, and dumps all of the childcare and homecare on your spouse. You prioritise education over everything else. I would not and many would not. I would prioritise my children unless getting that degree was the only way to provide for them.

pegboardsu · 31/07/2021 00:27

@Pallisers

No, I don't need this degree but education is never a bad thing.

Actually I think it is a bad thing when acquiring it takes you away from your 4 children, stops you spending significant time with your SN child, and dumps all of the childcare and homecare on your spouse. You prioritise education over everything else. I would not and many would not. I would prioritise my children unless getting that degree was the only way to provide for them.

I was a SAHM for 7 years prior to starting this and going back to work. It is recommended for my job but not essential. (Am a teacher, and this is a specialized study, for a specific pedagogy). DC all attend my school (except SN child who goes to specialist establishment).

So no, I don't need it. But am definitely better off for it, and as a result, they all are too.

And again, we have a happy, loving and supportive family life where we all encourage each other in realizing dreams.

DH will be continuing his studies next year, with my blessing.

So, I really have to disagree. Not selfish. But must remember not to say I am tired

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 31/07/2021 01:44

And again, we have a happy, loving and supportive family life where we all encourage each other in realizing dreams.

Which is great and lovely, and it sounds like it’s working out really well for you (especially as it sounds like you have great communication which really helps).

But if your dh had pnd/a breakdown from the stress of doing everything, would you just carry on and ignore what was happening to him? I’d guess not, but that’s what’s happening on the op’s situation.

None of that is meant as a dig at you, btw

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 31/07/2021 01:51

Yikes, that posted all by itself! None of that is a dig a you, @pegboardsu but the pnd does make a big difference here to the whole situation in terms of how Op’s h should be reacting to it. He shouldn’t be waiting for her to tell him she’s struggling. He should notice.

aloris · 31/07/2021 02:42

"And again, we have a happy, loving and supportive family life where we all encourage each other in realizing dreams."

That's great. Glad to hear you and your family are doing well. But in the case of the OP, the support is only going one way: from the OP, towards her husband. She also needs support because she has two children including a young baby. He has not given that support to her because he has been too busy (checks notes) realizing his dreams.

pegboardsu · 31/07/2021 06:54

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

And again, we have a happy, loving and supportive family life where we all encourage each other in realizing dreams.

Which is great and lovely, and it sounds like it’s working out really well for you (especially as it sounds like you have great communication which really helps).

But if your dh had pnd/a breakdown from the stress of doing everything, would you just carry on and ignore what was happening to him? I’d guess not, but that’s what’s happening on the op’s situation.

None of that is meant as a dig at you, btw

Of course I wouldn't. That extra information was for the 2 PPs who decided to say that I was selfish for wanting to better myself at the cost of my family.

Some of the responses on this thread towards a person wanting to do education have shocked me.

I hope OP can work through her mental health issues, and put in place some support systems to get her through this next year.

Phineyj · 31/07/2021 08:09

I wonder OP if you should also change therapist. If yours is genuinely telling you that you won't get better without receiving more support at home, that's not very helpful as it seems like you're not going to get it unless you hire it in or involve your mum.

If I were you I think I'd spend August carefully putting plans in place to support your return to work - a Plan A that involves DH and a Plan B that doesn't. Some days on your own out of the house planning some lessons (coffee shops in large supermarkets are good!)

I have also returned to teaching following mat leave and it was hard partly because of the indivisible nature of teaching - time to think about how to cover parents' evenings, open evenings, mock marking (translate to whatever's relevant to your setting).

You also need a decent workspace at home - after all, you are being paid for the work you do at home while DH's is costing money and time. Don't fall into the trap of him having the only decent workspace...

rookiemere · 31/07/2021 08:14

This post is not really about choosing to do a second degree or form of study, it's about a selfish one track DH who has opted out of all forms of family life using this as an excuse.

This will not end at the end of the next academic year as he'll pick something else to throw his energy at. So now is as good or bad time as any to rip off the plaster and force him to face up to his responsibilities or walk away.

Phineyj · 31/07/2021 08:16

Yes, I have a friend married to one of these. He just doesn't want to spend his time doing family tasks. Shame he wasn't honest with himself and her in the first place.

Partin · 31/07/2021 10:25

Everyone’s taken ops assessment that the degree is useless as correct. But I doubt that. Or the employer wouldn’t be paying for it and the DH wouldn’t be using it to get a higher paid job after it’s finished.

Phineyj · 31/07/2021 10:56

It doesn't really matter though what the activity is, does it though - it's the effect it's having. If it's a large employer, they have budgets for CPD for their staff and for all we know, due to Covid it may have been underspend.

Phineyj · 31/07/2021 10:58

underspent. Plus if the OP loses her teaching job due to a total lack of support at home, that could potentially cost the family budget a lot more than a pay rise for a higher rate tax payer, because a fair amount of the latter will go on tax.

burnoutbabe · 31/07/2021 12:03

@Partin

Everyone’s taken ops assessment that the degree is useless as correct. But I doubt that. Or the employer wouldn’t be paying for it and the DH wouldn’t be using it to get a higher paid job after it’s finished.
No degree is useless though and this is an engineering degree, not say a star trek studies degree. Cost to employer would be £4.5k a year when part time so pretty small cost (compared to say professional courses which charge £1k a day!)
Bythemillpond · 31/07/2021 12:58

I don’t think it is about this particular degree being useless or not. It is the fact that there will always be something else he wants to study, something else he wants to set up.
It isn’t just for the next year.
He is already talking about doing a Masters then he might decide to do a Doctorate or set up his own company which he will take time out putting things in place. Hogging every conversation for months on end then not following through.

It is a pattern of behaviour that checks him out of family life.

As for celebrating this weekend he has finished till September.
Family is constant and needs time and work to keep it.
Not something you can waft in and out of when you haven’t anything better to do.

BlueBellsArePretty · 01/08/2021 12:22

OP how are you doing? x

Erwhatno · 03/08/2021 23:39

Hope
You’re ok opm

Partin · 05/08/2021 02:16

@burnoutbabe he’s done it in 3 so more likely £9k plus the cost of him only working 4 days a week. Of course other courses can be more expensive but a company isn’t going to pay that out for someone who just wants an extra star on their cv.

Fere · 05/08/2021 03:05

For people saying that his work paid for it... his course might have been paid through Apprentenship levy.

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