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Husband’s studies are destroying our marriage

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 12:21

DH and I have been together for almost 10 years, married for 6 and have 2 DC aged almost 3 and 12 months. We met at uni so both have degrees and have subsequently had decent, fairly well paid careers ever since.

Over the years DH has had numerous harebrained ideas such as going back to uni to study politics and become an MP, he got as far as applying through clearing but then backed out when he was accepted. He has also paid for random courses on groupon which he’s never completed and often speaks about business ventures he’d like to undertake. None ever materialise so I think I can be forgiven for rolling my eyes and not always taking him seriously.

In 2019 he decided he wanted to return to uni to get a second degree relevant to his career. It wasn’t necessary at all, it won’t further his career prospects within the company as far as I can see. It was more him wanting to further his knowledge within the field. He decided this in July 2019, his boss amazingly agreed and by August 2019 he had been accepted. When he mentioned it to me I honestly just thought he’d back out of it like he did with everything else but to my surprise, he didn’t.

Ever since it began our marriage has taken a major tumble. When he first started we only had one baby and I’d just returned to work but fell pregnant unexpectedly about 2 months after he started uni. As the Christmas period approached that year he had exams and he was so stressed out, he stayed up all night for a week revising and survived on energy drinks. It really wasn’t a healthy way to live, not even as a young student but he was now obviously late 20s with a young child and a job to go to the next day. We were already struggling at this point but obviously lockdown happened and the rest of the academic year was cancelled.

I’d say the lockdown period last year is the last time we actually got on. We had DC2 July 2020 and we really got on fantastically well until he returned to uni in September. Once he returned and had assignments and exams, it basically all went to shit. Once again he was a frazzled mess, pulling all nighters, constantly stressed out and worrying, spending entire weekends locked away in his study, barely spending time with us. He has no work/life balance at all, if he isn’t at work he seems to be studying at home.

The past 3/4 months have been worse than ever because he’s had numerous exams and assignments due in at a similar time so he’s been pretty much unbearable. He’s used all of his annual leave on study days, we went away for a long weekend to the coast last week and I had to take DC out alone because he stayed behind to study. He rarely helps out with DC anymore, I bath and put both to bed while he sits studying. He had yesterday off work to study so literally sat from the minute he got up to the minute we went to bed on his laptop. I can barely get a word in edgeways because he’s constantly discussing uni. It isn’t my field and not something I have much interest in so I usually have no idea what he’s talking about. I think it’s made worse by the fact he doesn’t only want a second degree but wants to graduate with a first again so he’s adamant he has to do his absolute best on every assignment/exam.

I have PND which is only amplifying my resentment towards him. I’m having weekly counselling sessions and the counsellor has said I need more support from him with DC, a GP told me this too. We moved away from my family before DC1 was born so I rarely see them and I don’t have any friends here either, I’m quite isolated atm but return to work PT in September so hoping that will help. I can’t pin the PND solely on him but have been told women who are both isolated from family/friends and who don’t receive any support with their children are more at risk. I didn’t have PND after DC1 so I’m thinking it’s because he isn’t very supportive.

The absolute worst thing is when people make out he’s some kind of messiah because he manages to work, study and has two small children. FIL is forever saying how proud he is and asking him not to ‘burn himself out’ Hmm. He’s chosen to study, it really isn’t necessary at all and nobody has forced him to do this. He also doesn’t do very much with DC or housework so he spends the vast majority of his time studying, none of this would be possible without me constantly picking up the slack.

I’m honestly just fed up and I have told him I don’t see our marriage lasting over the next year. I can’t imagine how he’s going to be with his dissertation, I don’t think I’ll be able to cope. I’m on the verge of ending our marriage right now because I’m struggling to see past this. I know he only has a year left and if I’ve survived the past 2, I should be able to push myself through the next one but I honestly can’t see a way through right now.

Just seeking some general advice, is divorce the only option? I still love him dearly but I really can’t cope with this. I know a lot of women deal with their OH’s working away for months at a time but I wouldn’t be able to, it isn’t what I signed up for really. He could have done this degree when the DC were older and at school, I honestly have no idea why he chose to do it right now when they’re so small and need help with everything. I’m going to spend some time at my Mum’s next week to get a break away from him and clear my head a bit.

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Incipit · 29/07/2021 13:11

Given your health and mental well-being is on the line, I’d give him an ultimatum, TBH. Suspend his studies for at least a term (even better, a year) or the marriage is over. A toddler and a baby is the hardest parenting period - a year on will be better for juggling everything.

MayorGoodwaysChicken · 29/07/2021 13:11

Oh and it might be worth enquiring with him how he plans to manage his 50/50 time with the children if you do separate. Even if you have zero intention of that arrangement, don’t let him think that separation might in any way be the easier option for him.

PegasusReturns · 29/07/2021 13:12

It’s an excuse to check out of your family life.

It’s no coincidence that after years of procrastination and harebrained schemes that something sticks when you have a baby at home.

How on earth is he spending so much time on this current degree? Using all his annual leave; working every weekend and evening. That’s not legitimate study that’s avoiding his responsibilities

AluckyEllie · 29/07/2021 13:13

I really, really feel for you.

My husband is currently doing a full time masters alongside a full time job and it’s really hard. However, we’ve spoken about it and realised it’s not feasible and he’s agreed to take an extra year doing it part time. This is partially because I am now pregnant and due when he would be working on the dissertation. It’s also because we had a grown up discussion and decided it was doing our marriage no good, and an extra year is no big deal in the long run. We also made a plan as a couple when deciding on him doing the masters, thinking about how it would improve his career and money prospects. We came to the conclusion it would be beneficial because I will never be a big earner (nurse.)

This sounds completely different. He’s decided on his own to do this degree for his own enjoyment and his own ego. He didn’t involve you or think about you. He sounds incredibly selfish and self obsessed. Also- if his company is supporting/funding him through the degree is it not a bit of a dick move to instantly leave and look for another job?

Even if this all works out, how can you trust a man that makes decisions off his own back without involving you? I’d be wary. Does he listen to your concerns?

Cattitudes · 29/07/2021 13:14

This was me, except one more child and it was for career progression. It was a nightmare having to get them all up and out for the whole day so Daddy could do assignments. Fortunately he was not trying for top marks and I made him promise not to do another degree until they were all in school, which he didn't. I would try to go away as much as you can this year and tell him if he signs up for another degree before they are in school then you are off.

ElBandito · 29/07/2021 13:15

I think I would be taking the kids to my family for August for a 'holiday' while I decided what to do. Is there anyway you could go to your family?

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:15

What did he say when you told him you didn't think your marriage will last the year?

He asked me what I expected him to do and I just sort of said I don’t know because in truth, I don’t. He can’t go PT at work and I’m unsure whether deferral is an option for him because work are funding his degree so I don’t know whether they’d agree to it. It also feels like he’s just putting off the inevitable by deferring although it may well be easier for him to complete it when our DC are slightly older. He also said he needs to finish this work and he only has a week to go before he’ll have a month off but that’s the issue really. He’ll have August off then will be straight back into it in September for almost a year.

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Kotatsu · 29/07/2021 13:17

I'm 6 months out of a relationship where DP slowly increased the time he was working away until we basically had no relationship any more. To the extent that the kids didn't even realise he'd gone, and they have no enthusiasm for seeing him on his rare visits - they can't even summon the strength of feeling to not want to go, they're just entirely indifferent to him.

After ending it, I was overwhelmed, and a bit scared, and I have to rethink what life will be like from now on, but I feel so much better, lighter, hopeful - just removing one adult's worth of housework, admin etc. has given me that little bit more time to think. Absolute freedom (children aside) with no other adult to consider. I hadn't realised quite how much always being disappointed and leeched off of while in a relationship had been affecting me physically and mentally, dragging me down.

He meanwhile has sprinted off, is trying to stiff me on child support (despite me being so reasonable my solicitor keeps asking me if I'm sure that's all I want) and our house, forgetting that unlike him, I now have to re-plan my work and saving for retirement around the 2 kids he sees for a couple of hours a week (all he or the kids have asked for)

I think I'd consider a separation on your terms now, I would also ensure that you are prepared for it at any point from now on, including not making any more career sacrifices for him.

Good luck OP.

spinningspaniels · 29/07/2021 13:17

In the nicest way, you're the one enabling his behaviour here.

And you need to stop.

I'd pack him off until he's finished. And then only let him back IF and when he's proven that he's a decent human being and not just a selfish fucker.

Partin · 29/07/2021 13:17

you said it’s only 3 years so it’s a full time degree ? And he’s still working 4 days a week?

I appreciate it’s not conductive to family life but I don’t think he’s overworking himself to avoid chores. He sounds like he’s working as much as I’d expect in those circumstances. If you separated I don’t think he’d be out with his mates as someone suggested.

I would suggest that he does his final year part time so he does it over 2 years.

It does seem a shame to split when it’s nearly over but even if he never studies again do you think the resentment will leave that easily?

GoldBar · 29/07/2021 13:19

What's your financial situation like? Can you afford babysitters to help you? Could you afford to separate?

Tbh in your shoes if it was an option I'd be looking to separate for this year and then reassess at the end of it. Can he move out? Back home, for instance. You'll feel less stressed if he's not physically there pissing you off with how little he's doing and how much he's ignoring the children.

SarahDarah · 29/07/2021 13:19

@Rainbow0821

My view probably won't be popular but if this was me, I'd just get through this year that's left (that's if you can). After that however, I would make it very clear that's where the study ends for a good while and make it clear the sacrifices you've made. On the flip side at least he's working and providing well and passionate about advancing himself, perhaps not what you want to hear. Flowers
I agree with this.

@Yelpforhelpp
Yes it's bad that he's not been as supportive hands-on wise and I really feel for you OP, but it sounds like your husband may have a perfectionist problem from what you describe. After he completes he absolutely has to focus his time on the family. It's just one year left compared to a lifetime of marriage and your two children's home and security.

You'll probably get people on here telling you to divorce him and permanently break up the family (after all it's easy to saythis to a stranger on the internet when you're not going to suffer all the consequences yourself) but what you're going through now is temporary.

Also is a terrible idea to make a life changing decision such as divorce while you're experiencing PND Flowers

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:20

I’m spending some time at my Mum’s next week which he knows but he’s said he isn’t happy about it because his hand in date is next Thursday then his work is complete until he starts again in September. He was hoping we’d ‘celebrate’ together on Friday Hmm, I amazingly don’t feel like celebrating.

Yes I do think it’s wanky to use his work for this degree then leave and have said as much. He’s obsessed with the notion of earning a six figure salary like FIL which he won’t earn through this company unless he makes it right to the top. I don’t really care for six figure salaries, I just want him to help me parent our children. We get by fine as we are, we’re not struggling.

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SarahDarah · 29/07/2021 13:22

Unless he needs a first for his job, I would also be making clear to him that he needs to be working for a 2.1, nor a first considering he has a wife with PND and a family to be with.

quizqueen · 29/07/2021 13:23

His children will have missed out on their dad's company for 3 years and more, going forward, if he does a masters, so that is very selfish of him. I would have insisted on a no study day/no uni discussion family day every week and, surely, he is free of studies during the holidays. Degrees only fill up about 2/3s of the year at most.

I took a degree as a mature student, while running a home as a single parent with teenage kids though but also had several p/t jobs running along together. I only just missed out on getting a first and, honestly, I didn't seem to put that much effort into it, other than cramming revision in on nights before exams.

Send him to live at his parents for the next year and let them look after him if they think he's doing such a great thing.

SarahDarah · 29/07/2021 13:24

@Yelpforhelpp

I’m spending some time at my Mum’s next week which he knows but he’s said he isn’t happy about it because his hand in date is next Thursday then his work is complete until he starts again in September. He was hoping we’d ‘celebrate’ together on Friday Hmm, I amazingly don’t feel like celebrating.

Yes I do think it’s wanky to use his work for this degree then leave and have said as much. He’s obsessed with the notion of earning a six figure salary like FIL which he won’t earn through this company unless he makes it right to the top. I don’t really care for six figure salaries, I just want him to help me parent our children. We get by fine as we are, we’re not struggling.

From your first paragraph, it seems he doesn't understand just how stressed out and overwhelmed you are feeling? Have you spoken to him plainly and made absolutely clear you're at breaking point @Yelpforhelpp?
TiredButDancing · 29/07/2021 13:25

It seems to me that a huge part of this is that he made this massive decision, more or less checked out of family life, left you to pick up the slack and all of this was without any discussion with you. And even now - he's wanting YOU to provide solutions.

The question is what is HE going to do to compensate you and the children. He needs to figure this out. I mean, sure, you could offer some suggestions (eg it doesn't matter what else is going on, from now on mornings are his problem or bath/bed time or that he has to take both kids to their activities on saturdays or he is in charge of all washing or whatever it is that might help you get a bit of a break) but at the end of the day, he needs to appreciate all you are doing to accommodate him.

DH and I had a similar issue on a MUCH smaller scale recently. The thing that I think really hit me hardest and which in the end got through to him was that I wasn't even angry so much as deeply deeply hurt. That the man who was supposed to love me and our family more than anything could be so selfish as to not even consider how his behaviour would negatively impact me when I had already bent over backwards to accommodate him.

That was a single situation and it rocked us because of his incredible lack of awareness. I don't know how you are coping with this over such a long time.

Howshouldibehave · 29/07/2021 13:28

I’m stunned that his work are paying for him to do a second undergraduate degree that won’t help him in his career at work?! What on earth is it in for them?!

I would be mad as well, OP-he’s just checking out of family life.

Gardentiger · 29/07/2021 13:28

Is it a full time degree? If so, he needs to speak to work / the university and do his last year part time. Even if he is already doing part time, there might be a way of spreading the work out even further. I know that OU are very flexible in terms of how you spread out your modules.

If he refuses to even look into this, then sadly I think he is using it as a way to check out of the marriage. Doing a degree does take up a lot of time and will have some impact, but most people do it without essentially turning their partner into a single parent.

MsHedgehog · 29/07/2021 13:30

Does he not get 3 months or so off over summer? Which means there’s no studying at all. How is he then?

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:32

He can move in with MIL who lives in the same village his company is based in so he knows he always has this option but he doesn’t much like MIL so he’d prefer not to. FIL lives too far away so it’d be MIL or nothing.

My counsellor asked me to assertively request help with certain jobs so I did do this but quite often he would sit around for ages not doing it even after I’d prompted him. It gets to a stage where I’ve waited a long time for him to do it so it’s easier to just get up and do it myself. I know it’s the situation Sartre famously described, it’s easier in the short term for me just to do it but in the long run he’s expecting me to just do it so I’m ultimately not helping myself.

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 13:34

Does he not get 3 months or so off over summer? Which means there’s no studying at all. How is he then?

Nope. Basically he signed up initially to do a 5 year part time degree which would have meant he’d get the classic 3 months off over summer as most students do. Last year August due to covid the university decided to ‘streamline’ the degree (it’s a lesser known subject so there’s only 10 others doing the same degree with him) and turn it into a 3 year degree. This has meant he’s had extra work to do over the summer and now only gets August off. It would have been most of July too but he applied for extensions on his assignments because he wants to get a first and won’t accept any less than his idea of perfect.

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SixesAndEights · 29/07/2021 13:36

Something that stood out for me is that he's started, or been about to start, numerous qualifications then dropped out and you've criticised him for that, yet here he is sticking with something and you don't want him to do that either. In fact, you're quite disparaging about the whole thing. He says it will deepen his knowledge, that it's relevant. His work have paid for it so they must also think it's worthwhile, even if you're amazed they've done so. Employers don't splash out money for no reason. His boss must believe it will be beneficial even if you don't.

A relative of mine studied for an MA whilst working full time and with two very young children. Her husband, also working full time, picked up the slack. She barely slept and lived off vitamin pills.

I don't know OP, you say he hasn't been supportive of you, yet you've rolled your eyes at his studying, don't engage when he talks about it because you're not interested, are amazed his employer paid for it, you think it's pointless, and you thought he'd back out of it because he had done with everything else.

You talk about wanting him to defer, and I feel you'd rather he just stopped, but wouldn't that just end up being another thing he doesn't finish?

He's working full time and doing a degree full time. You're currently looking after the children full time. Perhaps a balance would be him taking some of the load off you, and you taking some of the load off him, too. So you both feel better supported in both your lives.

witheringrowan · 29/07/2021 13:37

@Yelpforhelpp

I’m spending some time at my Mum’s next week which he knows but he’s said he isn’t happy about it because his hand in date is next Thursday then his work is complete until he starts again in September. He was hoping we’d ‘celebrate’ together on Friday Hmm, I amazingly don’t feel like celebrating.

Yes I do think it’s wanky to use his work for this degree then leave and have said as much. He’s obsessed with the notion of earning a six figure salary like FIL which he won’t earn through this company unless he makes it right to the top. I don’t really care for six figure salaries, I just want him to help me parent our children. We get by fine as we are, we’re not struggling.

If his work are paying for the degree, isn't there some sort of expectation that he'll continue to work for them for a specified period after completing it, and if he leaves before then he has to pay back the fees himself? That's been the set up everywhere I've worked previously.
Dontwatchfootball · 29/07/2021 13:38
  1. He is never happy. 2. He is willing to make major decisions without considering the impact on his family. 3. He knows you need help but uses his studies as an excuse to behave selfishly. Whatever he does when he graduates, he is behaving like an arse. He does not need to get a first - unless he is planning on being an academic, no one cares. He could make time to be with the family, or help out. Single parents study and work, so it is possible, he is just choosing not to. Sorry.