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Husband’s studies are destroying our marriage

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Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 12:21

DH and I have been together for almost 10 years, married for 6 and have 2 DC aged almost 3 and 12 months. We met at uni so both have degrees and have subsequently had decent, fairly well paid careers ever since.

Over the years DH has had numerous harebrained ideas such as going back to uni to study politics and become an MP, he got as far as applying through clearing but then backed out when he was accepted. He has also paid for random courses on groupon which he’s never completed and often speaks about business ventures he’d like to undertake. None ever materialise so I think I can be forgiven for rolling my eyes and not always taking him seriously.

In 2019 he decided he wanted to return to uni to get a second degree relevant to his career. It wasn’t necessary at all, it won’t further his career prospects within the company as far as I can see. It was more him wanting to further his knowledge within the field. He decided this in July 2019, his boss amazingly agreed and by August 2019 he had been accepted. When he mentioned it to me I honestly just thought he’d back out of it like he did with everything else but to my surprise, he didn’t.

Ever since it began our marriage has taken a major tumble. When he first started we only had one baby and I’d just returned to work but fell pregnant unexpectedly about 2 months after he started uni. As the Christmas period approached that year he had exams and he was so stressed out, he stayed up all night for a week revising and survived on energy drinks. It really wasn’t a healthy way to live, not even as a young student but he was now obviously late 20s with a young child and a job to go to the next day. We were already struggling at this point but obviously lockdown happened and the rest of the academic year was cancelled.

I’d say the lockdown period last year is the last time we actually got on. We had DC2 July 2020 and we really got on fantastically well until he returned to uni in September. Once he returned and had assignments and exams, it basically all went to shit. Once again he was a frazzled mess, pulling all nighters, constantly stressed out and worrying, spending entire weekends locked away in his study, barely spending time with us. He has no work/life balance at all, if he isn’t at work he seems to be studying at home.

The past 3/4 months have been worse than ever because he’s had numerous exams and assignments due in at a similar time so he’s been pretty much unbearable. He’s used all of his annual leave on study days, we went away for a long weekend to the coast last week and I had to take DC out alone because he stayed behind to study. He rarely helps out with DC anymore, I bath and put both to bed while he sits studying. He had yesterday off work to study so literally sat from the minute he got up to the minute we went to bed on his laptop. I can barely get a word in edgeways because he’s constantly discussing uni. It isn’t my field and not something I have much interest in so I usually have no idea what he’s talking about. I think it’s made worse by the fact he doesn’t only want a second degree but wants to graduate with a first again so he’s adamant he has to do his absolute best on every assignment/exam.

I have PND which is only amplifying my resentment towards him. I’m having weekly counselling sessions and the counsellor has said I need more support from him with DC, a GP told me this too. We moved away from my family before DC1 was born so I rarely see them and I don’t have any friends here either, I’m quite isolated atm but return to work PT in September so hoping that will help. I can’t pin the PND solely on him but have been told women who are both isolated from family/friends and who don’t receive any support with their children are more at risk. I didn’t have PND after DC1 so I’m thinking it’s because he isn’t very supportive.

The absolute worst thing is when people make out he’s some kind of messiah because he manages to work, study and has two small children. FIL is forever saying how proud he is and asking him not to ‘burn himself out’ Hmm. He’s chosen to study, it really isn’t necessary at all and nobody has forced him to do this. He also doesn’t do very much with DC or housework so he spends the vast majority of his time studying, none of this would be possible without me constantly picking up the slack.

I’m honestly just fed up and I have told him I don’t see our marriage lasting over the next year. I can’t imagine how he’s going to be with his dissertation, I don’t think I’ll be able to cope. I’m on the verge of ending our marriage right now because I’m struggling to see past this. I know he only has a year left and if I’ve survived the past 2, I should be able to push myself through the next one but I honestly can’t see a way through right now.

Just seeking some general advice, is divorce the only option? I still love him dearly but I really can’t cope with this. I know a lot of women deal with their OH’s working away for months at a time but I wouldn’t be able to, it isn’t what I signed up for really. He could have done this degree when the DC were older and at school, I honestly have no idea why he chose to do it right now when they’re so small and need help with everything. I’m going to spend some time at my Mum’s next week to get a break away from him and clear my head a bit.

OP posts:
Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 18:38

there’s no guarantee you wouldn’t get unexpectedly pregnant again

Unless his vasectomy fails then there is every guarantee we won’t be having another child.

OP at this point did you voice your concerns and tell him that you didn't want him to embark on the course ?
The problem is, when he applied to do this you didn’t raise a single concern.

Yes, I did but I was shot down because he claimed it wouldn’t affect our family life too much and it would benefit us all in the long run because he would earn so much more. I’m unsure whether he will earn that much more after this degree but we do fine as we are tbh, we don’t really need the extra money. If we were in a life or death situation struggling to get through each month then it would make more sense. Think he’s just desperate to earn six figures like FIL and some of his old school friends.

Had a short chat with him when he got home, he won’t defer and made that crystal clear. He agrees we both need more organisation and agrees with a timetable set up for chores. He tried to claim that I don’t let him put DC to bed but this isn’t true, he never offers himself up or protests when I take them up! Think he was trying to make himself feel better there.

The fact that your DH needs a first so badly makes it sound as though he’s trying to prove himself to others.

I’d understand this more if he didn’t already have a first but he does and now wants another.

OP posts:
Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 18:41

Does he have some sort of problem? Emotionally? ADHD, ASD?

Don’t think so, he’s just used to me doing everything for him.

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giletrouge · 29/07/2021 18:42

What? That's the 'talk' you've had with him? Nothing's going to change with that OP!

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 18:45

I'd be jealous if my husband was getting away with doing no chores or childcare. That would make me very jealous indeed.

This is the only reason I’m jealous. Definitely not jealous of him studying, just jealous of how much he gets to cop out of parenting.

What? That's the 'talk' you've had with him? Nothing's going to change with that OP!

Going to have a more lengthy chat when DC are in bed, that was a short one when he got back and insisted on talking to me a bit to ‘clear the air’. He won’t defer though so that’s off the table.

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Embracelife · 29/07/2021 18:46

What do you outsource eg cleaning ?
He can do all the online shops while listening to lectures
He has to carve time to be with dc

Gingembre · 29/07/2021 18:52

OP my DH has some very similar character traits to your DH, only (thank goodness) m the one studying and I'm doing it part time because we have kids.

My advice is to have the conversation but remember that it's actions that count and you already know you can't rely on him to consistently stick to something and give you support. You need to action things that give you support before you start work.

  1. Get extra childcare - more than a few extra hours. Get as much as you can afford - it won't be too much. It's better to pay someone for an hour when you don't need them once or twice than be stressed because you can't find the extra help when you need it.
  1. Get the cleaner and again, get that help for as much tine as you can afford.

Both 1 + 2 are investments in your mental health. If DH objects then ask him to outline when it is he'll be assuming the duties he's objecting to paying for.

If you think this is a bit hardline, remember that he's used you as free childcare while he does his degree. He's actually neglecting his kids. If you behaved the same way as him, social services would be at your door.

I say this as someone who is recovering from a total and utter burnout. I have been the free childcare for my DH, facilitating him dedicating himself to his career, without any prior agreement. I cannot stress enough how much it's not worth ruining your health for the benefit of someone who doesn't care enough to find a way to help you out when you need it. I would go as far as saying if you're going to try and stay together then if you have savings to use them towards any help you need this year, if necessary. You can always earn more money. You cannot always get good health back and it's certainly not as "easy" as earning more money.

Wigalish · 29/07/2021 18:52

Tell him
As soon as his degree is finished ,you will start your 2nd degree ,and he will take over with the children for 3 years .fairs fair

I've been in both positions so I wouldn't threaten this as it really isn't a barrel of laughs! My dh started a pt degree whilst working ft when dc was a baby. I then did a masters and worked, then a doctorate. These times were tough but we knew they would be. We have all benefitted as a family in the long run.

IME it was much harder being the one studying, working and still trying to parent rather than being the parent working yet taking on the bulk of parenting. I would imagine your dh is extremely stressed, as are you, but the amount of pressure he must feel to condense what he thought was pt degree into ft would be huge, especially if his employer is paying for it.

It also doesn't sound like you respect your dh's career. Engineering is not like teaching. I was a teacher, have loads of teacher friends and additional degree/ masters study is not as common as what it is in other fields IME. His employer must value the degree to fund it and give him time off.

Sally872 · 29/07/2021 18:57

Yanbu. I would explain I will support you by doing more than my share, I can't do everything.

Timetable is a great idea. Try to make it very regular tasks so it becomes routine. Something that is always his job so he can't forget. Emptying bins, making pack lunches, bath and bed for either or both children.

Also make it clear you regret the situation you are in and studying in the future is not likely to be something you can support.

GoldBar · 29/07/2021 19:00

IME it was much harder being the one studying, working and still trying to parent rather than being the parent working yet taking on the bulk of parenting.

That's not the sitution the OP's husband is in. He's not still trying to parent. He's opted out of parenting.

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 19:01

Did he want to have the second baby?

We both wanted two children and both discussed this before we even got married. Having DC1 didn’t change our opinion either, we both enjoyed being parents and still wanted to have a second. We thought we’d have a second when DC1 was around 3/4 so the pregnancy was not expected but neither of us contemplated not keeping the baby.

It doesn’t really matter now anyway, he’s one years old and we can’t return him!

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Strikethrough · 29/07/2021 19:02

What are his plans for August? I would assume that with a wife suffering from PND and two young children to look after his plan, when finally present in life, will be to spend the ENTIRE month doing exactly what you do on a day to day basis to give you a break?

But then again, I would expect that a man with a wife suffering from PND and two young children to look after would have ALREADY made some changes to his life in recognition of the fact that he is not a single man who only has himself to please but is in fact a husband and father with responsibilities. Have you asked him outright why is acceptable of him to places his desires (another first) above the rest of the family's needs (prevention of you having a breakdown and him not forming a proper relationship with his children)?

For what it's worth, my husband has a high powered job in a medical field (think cardiac surgeon) and has also pursued academic study related to his field. However, in his case while this means he is occasionally busier in the run up to a publication deadline (he's got articles in world leading journals) and normally goes away to present at conferences (pre-covid) he chose to "just" do a masters which fit around both his day job and family life and mostly prepares his university lectures during work hours and takes a full and active role in family life. He does all bath times because, you know, his misses his children after not seeing them all day.

I would be having serious words with your husband. It's not fair of him to dedicate so much to this second degree while YOU are the one making so many sacrifices to accommodate it. Basically, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE for him to pursue a first, he has only been able to work in this fashion so far thanks to you effectively being his slave. Tell him you're done. He can do half of the housework and half of the childcare (including drop off and pick ups, bath times and bedtimes etc.) from now on. If necessary leave the house and leave him to it. He has no problem essentially doing this to you, does he? His excuse is it's for his degree. Yours is it's to prevent your admission to a mental health unit.

HalzTangz · 29/07/2021 19:03

His employer wouldn't fund the course if it wasn't going to be worthwhile, I would at the very least would think completing the course will enable your husband to rise the next level/grade/work band.

However, you need to talk to your husband, tell him he has to manage his time to incorporate family time. He's to help out with chores and the children too.

Tell him bluntly, make the changes or we split

Yelpforhelpp · 29/07/2021 19:03

@GoldBar

IME it was much harder being the one studying, working and still trying to parent rather than being the parent working yet taking on the bulk of parenting.

That's not the sitution the OP's husband is in. He's not still trying to parent. He's opted out of parenting.

Yeah, he isn’t really doing the parenting part. That was your experience anyway, guessing everyone is different and I don’t think he’d cope well if the boot was on the other foot. I saw what happened to the house after DC2 was born, it was not pleasant.
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Paddling654 · 29/07/2021 19:06

He doesn't sound a terribly nice person.

Wigalish · 29/07/2021 19:07

@GoldBar

IME it was much harder being the one studying, working and still trying to parent rather than being the parent working yet taking on the bulk of parenting.

That's not the sitution the OP's husband is in. He's not still trying to parent. He's opted out of parenting.

You're right. I thinks it is harder, less acceptable for a mother to opt out of parenting. It was just never an option for me, even if I'd wanted to.

Op you are where you are. You've both been dealt a few curve balls- Covid and unplanned pregnancy. You need to decide how best to go forward- either way somethings got to give.

On a positive note, you've all done 2 years and only 1 to go. I do remember half way through my doctorate thinking wtf did I do as I was so stressed, but we all came out the other end.

PattyPan · 29/07/2021 19:09

When you got pregnant did you discuss what the impact would be on his studying and on family life, household management etc?

Lilymossflower · 29/07/2021 19:11

Enjoy the time at your mum's and don't go back I say. He is a selfish twat

WasThisSexist · 29/07/2021 19:13

It doesn’t really matter now anyway, he’s one years old and we can’t return him!

Exactly! It’s completely irrelevant that your little one was unplanned - you are both responsible for him. You didn’t plan to have PND either, but you deserve support with it. The one thing that can be planned for and managed in this equation is his degree course.

GoldBar · 29/07/2021 19:16

I thinks it is harder, less acceptable for a mother to opt out of parenting.

I honestly can't imagine a woman saying to her husband, "I want to do a degree so you need to do everything for the kids, around the house, all the cleaning, all the cooking, get up with them in the night, pick-ups and drop-offs, everything. And I'm not even going to take them to the park on the weekend or do a single bathtime or go out as a family on holiday". It just wouldn't happen and, if it did, the woman would be slated as a terrible mother and wife.

This thread is another example of the double standards for mothers and fathers.

charliebrown59 · 29/07/2021 19:16

it's at the very least a nice chance for your DM to see the GC if they have a temporarily absent Dad. It sounds awful op. Someone around but no help is mentally draining.

I'd be reluctant to give up on him permanently but it'll be hard to get past how he's let you down - let's face it, a DW who'd taken on this course and found themselves having a baby would've added time on.

Wigalish · 29/07/2021 19:18

@GoldBar
I agree with you! It is terrible that there are double standards! I wasn't saying this was in anyway acceptable.

PattyPan · 29/07/2021 19:21

It’s completely irrelevant that your little one was unplanned

It is relevant in as far as if the DH hasn’t wanted the baby, or had planned his course on the basis of not having another baby until after he had finished, then that would have added an extra dimension to it. But that doesn’t sound like it is the case.

EarlGreywithLemon · 29/07/2021 19:22

For those who say the OP is resentful- I think that’s perfectly reasonable. I would be resentful on behalf of the children too. They are missing out on meaningful time and interaction with their father, who chose to bring them into this world. And no, him throwing money at the problem won’t make up for the love and attention he should be giving them. If you decide to have children you make a commitment to their upbringing, which should come before your vanity project second degree you don’t absolutely need. Someone has to advocate for the children, they can’t do it themselves, so OP is doing it for them.

AntiWorkBrigade · 29/07/2021 19:23

@GoldBar - yes. And yet there were a couple of posts upthread doing the usual “imagine if the sexes were reversed” thing. No, still not ok. And not remotely as likely to happen.

GoldBar · 29/07/2021 19:24

@Wigalish. I know Smile - sorry, I was agreeing with you on it being harder (if not impossible) for a mother to opt out.