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Feeling so sad about DB and SIL

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porkincider · 30/06/2021 22:58

I have 2dc who, until Covid hit last year used to see my brother and his wife at least once a month. They live just over an hour away, are absolutely brilliant with DC and DC just love them to pieces. I really enjoy their company too and we’d always have lovely days together when we saw each other. Throughout the pandemic he’s been sending them presents and daft letters and comics that he’s made for them but he never wanted to speak to them on Zoom or anything.

They’ve been trying for dc for a while and at the beginning of last year found out that sadly it’s unlikely to happen even with IVF, although they’re still going to give IVF a go as they’re entitled to one round and want to do it before SIL is over the age limit. Since finding this out they’ve been understandably heartbroken but said that they’ve actually quite benefited from lockdown as they’ve been able to spend lots of time together just the two of them.

Since restrictions have relaxed I’ve been contacting them to see when they’d like to meet up but they’ve kept putting me off. Eventually at the weekend brother tells me that he’s sorry but he’s love to see me but he can’t face seeing my dc at the moment as children upset SIL too much. I asked if I could meet up with just him (single parent, one child with ASD and absolutely no one I could leave them with) but he said that he’d find it too upsetting too.

I asked if he thinks he’ll be happy to see them in future and he said that while him and his wife have hope of a child, no matter how faint he can’t see a point where he’d be comfortable around my dc. He said he’d love to maintain the relationship with my dc, that he loves them and misses them and just loves making the comics for them that he does but he just can’t bring himself to see them. I asked him if he just found them too much like hard work or if they annoyed him or something and he burst into tears telling me I was just being cruel and hung up on me.

I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. Just wait until DC stop asking about him and let them enjoy the comics he sends them and nothing else? Wait for a decade until they’ve given up hope of having a child and then the relationship will continue?

I’d love for them to have a baby more than anything but I don’t know how to deal with it. It certainly means, for the foreseeable future at least, that I just can’t see my brother anymore as I have no one to have my kids.

Any advice? Just wait it out and wish them the best? It’s all just so sad.

OP posts:
YelloYelloYello · 01/07/2021 15:49

@porkincider

bibidy not really, sadly. My 5yo with autism is only at school 3 hours a day, dbro is an hours drive away and doesn’t drive himself.
Could your DP help out?
porkincider · 01/07/2021 15:57

yelloyelloyello my ‘dp’ loves 2 hours away and comes round once every couple of weeks for a shag once the kids are in bed. He’s never met dc and there are no plans for him to .

OP posts:
YelloYelloYello · 01/07/2021 15:58

Or could you meet your DB somewhere halfway so he only has to do half an hour on public transport and you then would get two hours together?

porkincider · 01/07/2021 16:01

yelloyelloyello I’m hoping to be able to do something similar in Octoberish once the tourist traffic dies down a bit.

OP posts:
StressedMom4 · 01/07/2021 16:36

I'm sorry @porkincider I completely understand where your coming from and why your upset. But you brother and sister in-law are grieving, maybe it's best not to ask about the future but focus on the now. Perhaps send them flowers and say your sorry for not completely understanding what your brother was trying to explain but you'd love to keep up with the texts and presents until (and if) they're ready to meet back up.

I'm not sure how old your children are but are they old enough to understand about adults feeling sad over a loss? Maybe just simplify it to the children that Aunty and Uncle have 'lost' something and are very sad and just need a bit of time to feel happy again.

PurpleDaisies · 01/07/2021 16:41

I'm not sure how old your children are but are they old enough to understand about adults feeling sad over a loss? Maybe just simplify it to the children that Aunty and Uncle have 'lost' something and are very sad and just need a bit of time to feel happy again.

Please, please don’t tell the children that. If they do meet up again it’s going to be hard. Can you imagine how much harder it’s going to be if the children them ask if they’re still feeling sad?

All the children need to know is brother and SIL love them lots (which is why they’re spending all that time making comics etc). It’s not possible to meet up right now.

Seriously, why would children need to know about a couple’s infertility?

ForeverAintEnough3 · 01/07/2021 18:27

A great post @BoofyBoo

ForeverAintEnough3 · 01/07/2021 18:29

[quote Jesskir89]@Ozanj no I was fortunate enough to conceive from clomid not that I think that matters as were all entitled to an opinion. I'm not judging anyone, I had close friends and sil fall pregnant while I was ttc and its heartbreaking but in my opinion the op and her children shouldn't suffer[/quote]
It definitely matters @Jesskir89 when you’re saying you were fine around others children. Come back to me when you’ve had 6 failed rounds of IVF and are in counselling for mental health issues cause by infertility and have no baby. See how jovial you’d be then about being around other peoples happy families.

Jesskir89 · 01/07/2021 18:52

@ForeverAintEnough3 I'm sorry for what you've been through but as I've stated several times.... we are all entitled to our own opinion. I personally wouldn't dream of not seeing family but clearly others would....

ForeverAintEnough3 · 01/07/2021 19:21

[quote Jesskir89]@ForeverAintEnough3 I'm sorry for what you've been through but as I've stated several times.... we are all entitled to our own opinion. I personally wouldn't dream of not seeing family but clearly others would....[/quote]
All I’m saying is you should watch your ‘opinion’ which you justified as being valid as you’ve also had ttc struggles. You were very quick to judge this poor couple as being ‘unreasonable’ and ‘over the top’ - no empathy at all for them. You don’t know their situation or mine yet you feel you can judge us for finding it difficult to be around other peoples happy families.

StressedMom4 · 01/07/2021 20:15

@PurpleDaisies didn't say anything at all about the children needing to know it's about infertility issues.

PurpleDaisies · 01/07/2021 20:19

[quote StressedMom4]@PurpleDaisies didn't say anything at all about the children needing to know it's about infertility issues.[/quote]
Ok maybe not explicitly but you were talking about telling the children they’d had a loss. There’s no need for that.

Jesskir89 · 01/07/2021 22:14

@ForeverAintEnough3 I've said this a few times but there is no judgement simply my opinion. Again I'm sorry to hear about what you've been through and what ops brother is going through but I can have an opinion and I've been through my own struggles so I understand enough about their situation. I empathise with anyone struggling with fertility its awful but I also empathise with op and her dc

ForeverAintEnough3 · 02/07/2021 08:43

[quote Jesskir89]@ForeverAintEnough3 I've said this a few times but there is no judgement simply my opinion. Again I'm sorry to hear about what you've been through and what ops brother is going through but I can have an opinion and I've been through my own struggles so I understand enough about their situation. I empathise with anyone struggling with fertility its awful but I also empathise with op and her dc[/quote]
This is my point. You understand nothing about their situation. You only understand your situation and what you would do. If you had any empathy at all you wouldn’t turn around and call struggling people ‘unreasonable’ and ‘ over the top’ and point out how much superior & better than them you were during ttc as you ‘never would’ve stopped seeing family’.

ForeverAintEnough3 · 02/07/2021 08:46

I’m not judging you at all @Jesskir89 it’s just my opinion that you’re unfeeling, judgemental and have a complete lack of empathy using your own experience of ttc which didn’t even require invasive fertility treatment to belittle the ops family members experience when they’ve been told it’s unlikely they will ever be parents.

Jesskir89 · 02/07/2021 08:53

@ForeverAintEnough3 is that not what you're doing to me? You don't know how invasive my treatments were (very some of) you don't know how I felt... just because I didn't end up having ivf doesn't mean I didn't go through hell. Youre using your own situation to compare against mine which isn't what this thread is about and youre upset because my opinion is different to yours. I'm not responding further. Have a nice day

ForeverAintEnough3 · 02/07/2021 09:15

@Jesskir89 it’s just my ‘opinion’ which according to you is allowed!

SemperIdem · 02/07/2021 22:24

@ForeverAintEnough3

For someone so keen to demand others show empathy, you are lacking in it.

Velvetscrunchy · 02/07/2021 22:50

Wow. Ten pages and pretty side OP got the info she needed in the first couple and then it just descended into chaos. Infertility is beyond shit, losing contact with a sibling you’re close to at a very tough time in their life is also beyond shit. I think OP gets it. We can stop.

Velvetscrunchy · 02/07/2021 22:51

*pretty sure

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