Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Feeling like a homewrecker because his mom lives with him

185 replies

Knownscallion · 11/06/2021 05:25

Long venting and I'm new- I’m so sorry! But if anyone wants to read this whole novel I really REALLY need advice on how to move forward. Me and my boyfriend are both in our 30s and both have kids from previous relationships (he has 1, I have 2) Everything was going great, its a healthy and stable relationship and we truly love each other. The kids get along great, we’ve even talked about marriage and possibly having another child in the near future which I started really looking forward to since I figured in my single years by the time I got to this point with someone I’d be too old to have any more. The issue I’m having is that when he purchased his house before we met, he asked his mother to move in with him so he could “take care of her” and have help with his son... and because of that, things have been getting more and more uncomfortable.

Firstly, Im not even sure why she needs to be taken care of so badly (which he keeps mentioning) because she isn’t elderly and has no serious mental or physical issues other than she would probably be lonely on her own and hates leaving the house. She also has admitted to having OCD about things (which is another issue with having kids around). But I understood why he wanted her there at the time. She is really close with him and also basically the primary caregiver for his son since he works so much. Its gotten to the point where his son insists she be the one to do regular parenting things like bath time, and bed time in lieu of him even when he’s there, and shes the one who disciplines and teaches. That concept is kind of sweet in a way but I really don’t know if it’s healthy for him to not have more parental responsibility with his own son. I didn’t grow up in a normal situation and have no real idea what a grandparent role typically involves.

Anyways, up until recently we were kind of toying with the idea of living together which evolved to us coming over and staying at his house most nights of the week (mine is too small for all of us and he likes to be home work nights). We’d begun to develop a bit of a routine and make plans, just seeing how merging households would work. He’d casually brought it up to his mom and said she didnt seem to mind and it was his decision when to have us over. But It started to get awkward because his mom began to complain about my kids doing typical kid things that bothered neither of us such as making too much noise, going in her grandsons room to play, taking toys out that she didn’t want out at the moment etc and she just seemed upset and picking on things in general when we were over. It felt awkward not knowing what was up with her and I didn’t like that it was more “sleepover” than stable living situation for the kids so I told him he needed to have a serious talk with her about us being there so often, as well as our future plans, to make sure she was ok before we kept doing what we were doing.

So he ended up having the conversation and came back to me basically with “she said no”. He said they had a heart to heart and that she will work on being comfortable with the idea of us living with them eventually, but isn’t ok with it right now because she has a hard time with having that many people in the house.

I didn’t even know what to think. I don’t want to overstep but it feels so bizarre to me. I just feel invasive and uncomfortable in my own relationship now. Even if she “allows” us to move in together under duress in the future, I wouldn’t ever feel totally welcome in a place that would be my home. I told him that but he just says that she will warm up to the idea “someday”.

He even told me he wants to marry me when he can get her on board with things...which honestly I understand wanting your mom to be ok with the idea of you marrying someone, but it feels like he is saying she decides if and when that happens, AND that nothing would be changing even if we get married and start a family. This worries me because I’ve explained to him in depth in the past that I love his family being involved, but that I don’t even like roommates living with me, and that in the long run for it to work Id need us to have our personal space, some privacy, and be able to learn to become a family and manage things on our own, and he said he got that then.

So now, since he works until shortly before the kids go to bed and lives half an hour away, us coming over and not spending the night isn’t a feasible option, so Ive told him that I’ll just see him on weekends. This really only means Friday nights and part of Saturday with my parenting schedule. Its been miserable going from seeing him right after work, having dinner together and talking about our days, feeling like we were becoming a family and really progressing...to just feeling like we’re back to casual “dating” and seeing him once a week and never having the kids see each other.

He said in a few years we can get a bigger house with a separate living area for her and everything will be good and not to worry. But this has put a huge shadow over the entire relationship in my mind. I don’t want to give him ultimatums, or make his mom uncomfortable or angry. I Dont want to get between the bond they have and the routine they have. I feel like a homewrecker in such an awkward way. But I don’t want to lose what we have either, and I admit I can tell I’m slowly losing that feeling of closeness we had and grieving for it. I don’t know if I want this sort of “hang out once a week” relationship for years. Im willing to give it more time, but I don’t see much hope for how anything is going to progress any time soon and I don’t know what to do or say to him or if I even should say anything or just appreciate what I have and not complain.

OP posts:
fakeplantsdontlookreal · 11/06/2021 09:11

MIL is NBU to not like a house full of people, but neither are YBU to want to move forwards not backwards.

There are several issues here

  1. Did his mother put any money into buying the house?
  2. He has made it clear that even if you buy bigger, she will still be there. Even if she had her own annexe, that's still too close for a lot of people.
  3. How long have you been together so far? months or years?

He replaced his wife with his mother, so she could bring up the child and do everything around the house for him, and if she goes, then all of that will fall to you.

It would be harsh for him to cast his mother aside once he finds himself another wife to take over, but at the same time, his mother should be stepping back once he finds a new relationship/family.

She has a right to feel comfortable in her own home, so I don't think she is a bad person for not wanting you to move in, but she is now effectively stopping him from having a relationship with you or anyone else.

One thing is for certain though OP, this situation will not change. I have seen too many mummy's boys still at home in their 30's with mummy doing everything for them and IT NEVER CHANGES.

WaterBottle123 · 11/06/2021 09:13

Seriously? This can't be real.

NewlyGranny · 11/06/2021 09:15

Nope. You need to shut this one down, OP.

"This is all going to be fine in a few years."

No, it really isn't. There is no room for you in his life except what his DM allows and that's clearly marginal. You and your DC would always be surviving on the crumbs.

If down the track he/you both were to buy a bigger house with separate accommodation for his mother, what exactly will be keeping her in her bit?

I suggest the answer is: nothing

Milliepossum · 11/06/2021 09:16

This is how I think it will play out (from personal experience, but not where the mother and son live together). You will always feel like you don’t matter. All your conversations will be conveyed to her, no privacy or respect for you. He and his mother will make all decisions together, you won’t be consulted because your view doesn’t matter. And when you argue with him, he will always run to her and she will always take his side and tell you off even though it’s none of her business. Run OP, let them have each other, there’s a very strange dynamic between them, it’s not normal.

PomegranateQueen · 11/06/2021 09:17

The thing that stood out for me in your OP was the way she treats your DC. Your children's welfare must be the priority in any decisions you make. If you move in with this man, your DC will forever be treated like a second class citizen in thier own home.

Warmduscher · 11/06/2021 09:18

As soon as he started seeing someone, he should have had a conversation with his mother about how that would pan out for her in the event it became a serious relationship. It would have been even better if they had discussed it right from the start.

From what the OP says about her vetting relationships, the mother obviously knew her son was looking for a relationship. That’s the time one of them should have said they needed to discuss what would happen if he wanted to live with someone.

Sadly the OP hasn’t given anywhere near enough information to comment about this aspect.

And I agree with pp that I’m not hearing the children’s voices in all of this.

fruitbrewhaha · 11/06/2021 09:19

If she did move out you'd be taking over her role as mother/cook/potwasher etc.

I think the relationship is over, sorry.

randomkey123 · 11/06/2021 09:19

How does anyone find a grown man attractive who lives with mum in the first place and lets her look after his child so he doesn't have to Hmm

Have some self respect OP, you won't ever be No 1 on his radar.

LadyMargaretBeauforte · 11/06/2021 09:23

"It started to get awkward because his mom began to complain about my kids doing typical kid things that bothered neither of us such as making too much noise, going in her grandsons room to play, taking toys out that she didn’t want out at the moment etc and she just seemed upset and picking on things in general when we were over".

Op this stands out to me. This is where the issues started. Are your children noisy? Are they going in the grandsons room when maybe the grandson has said he does not want them in there? Are your children taking toys out when the grandmother has already specifically asked they not be? What do mean by your kids doing " typical things"? . This says to me that the children may have been a little unruly and not respecting when your DP's mum said no to certain toys. It may not bother you but it would bother me, there seems to be a lack of respect for boundaries there.

Your partner and his mum could have bought that house by combining finances and the multi generational living clearly works for them. At the end of the day the house is as much her home as it is his however it was purchased. His child may also have indicated that he does not want anyone else living there- he may find it too much. Your Dp may have dressed it up as "mum said no " to basically spare going into all the reasons and your feelings. I do not think yr DP's mum is the real barrier here.

It is their home and it looks like an attempt has been made to blend families and it has not worked. Tbh honest Op i am not sure i or my youngest ( who is now 14 ) would want that sort of chaos in our home either.

I think you have to respect their decision and decide what this means for you. You can either stay as you are and see how things may change as the children get older. Or, decide you would rather meet someone else and build a future with them. In any event i would not rush bringing anyone into your children's lives until you are sure that person will be a permanent feature.

tempester28 · 11/06/2021 09:32

Another one who thinks this is an impossible situation for you - sorry.

tempester28 · 11/06/2021 09:33

Also, who owns the house? Could be an important factor

Clydie89 · 11/06/2021 09:34

I couldn't respect a man like this. Instead of raising his son, he opted for an easy solution of a free nanny by getting his mum in. He's never grown up properly and I bet his mum still does all his washings etc. I get he works full time, but so do lots of parents.

You can't really hold it against his mum, it's hardly fair he chucks her now he's found an alternative.

If he did move her out and move you in, you'd be taking on all the stuff she's doing and living with a man child.

Think all this through carefully before you commit to anything, and don't bring another baby into this until you have a working solution, for all of your sakes.

Personally I'd run for the hills.

Iceybirb · 11/06/2021 09:36

Fuck that. I'd move along.

Jux · 11/06/2021 09:38

She's hale and hearty so you can look forward to a good 20 years of this.

He's happy. His mum's doing all the parenting, and probably a lot more too, so he doesn't really have to worry about anything does he? And he has you, so his sex life's sorted and his emotional life is easy and undemanding.

It'll hurt you to go, but if you want a good family life then that's what you'll have to do. The circumstances around your relationship are wrong and it's simply not going to work at this time.

Tlollj · 11/06/2021 09:39

I can see the mums side in all this tbh.
We don’t know about finances but I’m guessing they moved in together to pool resources somewhat.
She does housework/childcare. ( not sure where the boy’s mum is) he goes out to work. I can see how this would suit them both.
What this means for you and your children though is a different thing.
You can’t just say thanks for being my housekeeper/ child care but I’ve moved on goodbye.

Crinkle77 · 11/06/2021 09:40

Run for the hills.

stackemhigh · 11/06/2021 09:41

Don't waste another minute on him.

NeepNeepNeep · 11/06/2021 09:43

Don't have a child with him. Your kids aren't welcome in his home as it is. You'll mess up their lives. Put your kids first. End it.

Gothichouse40 · 11/06/2021 09:44

Sadly, this is probably the reason he is no longer with his first partner/wife. The mother sounds very selfish. I don't think the relationship will work. Mind you, he's had a free ride as well with the childcare. I think his mum has done too much.

MMmomDD · 11/06/2021 09:45

@Knownscallion
It is up to you OP how you play this out. But you do seem incompatible in some ways. And also - I do think you moved too quickly with merging of your households.

I get that you haven’t had an experience of extended family helping out to raise the kids. But it isn’t strange or unhealthy. It has been done over centuries and generations. Western societies may have moved away from it in more recent times, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a normal thing.
So - his child has a deep bond with his GM and it’s a good thing. It also provides him with stability and comfort a child with divorced parents needs the most.

So - it’s not a traditional setup here, but it’s what it is for the man you chose to date. And it’s not impossible to have a relationship that progresses given this setup. It just needs a bit more consideration that you need to be able to make. If that man is truly the person you want you be with - as you said in your post, you are in love with him and want you be together.
Relationships do often require compromises.
From everyone involved. Obviously, not just from you.

His mother will need to compromise as well. And I think what she said was sensible - it is normal to take time to adjust to a change.
It seems that you went from seeing each other on weekends to moving in with 2 small kids for a week at a time. It does seem like it moved quite quickly.

It does seem like you are making it into some sort of battle over who controls your bf. You seem to be taking it as some test of his commitment to you. While I think he is just being pragmatic and making sure his child and mother adjust to changes gradually.
You shouldn’t need him to ‘break up’ with his mother to prove to you that he loves you and is committed to you. It’s not a competition.
But maybe it’s hard for so with without a close family bond to understand this.

Of course - as it’s your life you don’t have to be in this relationship.

Summerfun54321 · 11/06/2021 09:46

The problem isn’t his mother it’s him. If he really wanted to be with you, he’d work out a way for you both to be happy, not just put his DM first.

Greenrubber · 11/06/2021 09:46

Wow! Yeah you can't live your life that way especially seen as things probably won't change
I get they are close but you will never be happy with 2 mothers in one house
I don't know why so many men are mummy's boys I always felt it was a guilt trip from the mums
She would probably love to have her son all to herself it's very selfish
I would talk to him and see if there is any compromise that can be done
Annex
House near by for her to move into
But if she's doing most of his child's care then I'm not sure they would even be up for anything like that

We planned on having my MIL move into an annex which hasn't happened yet but we all sat down and agreed that whilst it's nice to be close to your family everyone needs their own space and living in the same house would just be a nightmare for all parties

daisy46 · 11/06/2021 09:52

Nope. It's over. Sorry.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 11/06/2021 09:56

Unfortunately I've seen this scenario play out before and it I've yet to see any deviation from the scripted ending.. This level of co-dependency is so enmeshed and so spectacularly unhealthy (Google 'emotional incest') that no adult sexual partner in the world can break through it.

OP, get yourself a copy of Susan Forward's book Toxic In-Laws. She's very insightful and can give you a good understanding of this kind of dynamic.

I have to agree with PPs that I'd find a man's inability to sever the apron strings once he'd reached his thirties distinctly unappealing and a major turn-off. I'd be looking into my future and deciding whether I needed this degree of hassle with my living arrangements, always coming last on his priority list and being what's tantamount to the OW in their tangled-up mother & son dynamic. There's a Jocasta vibe about all this that makes me want to shudder. Sorry to say it OP, but I don't think this is salvageable.

godmum56 · 11/06/2021 09:57

oh those red flag words "I'll do it when......"