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helplesshopeless · 09/06/2021 10:51

Hi everyone...creating thread number 2 (or at least, attempting to...!) Link to old thread here

If that link doesn't work, I'll be forever indebted to any of you more mumsnet savvy folks helping me out! Grin

I'll come back in a bit to post properly, thank you all again for your help and support Flowers

OP posts:
billy1966 · 13/07/2021 18:12

Agree with all above.

I would expect him to move on quickly to a new partner to salve his wounded pride, save face, try and obliterate the fury he feels at you not accepting your lot as an emotionally abused woman.
All driven by a desperation to change the narrative of a failed man who couldn't hold on to his wife.

But once your divorce is over you will see that while he wants to move on he won't.

His fragile gigantic ego with burn with annoyance and he will want to make you pay.

So any thoughts of handing over yours and your daughters entitlement in this divorce in the hope of decency is utterly and completely redundant and you will bitterly regret your naivety in following that path.

I live with a decent man, and I know decent men.
I know a few women who have gone through tough divorces, but your husbands willingness to emotionally abuse his daughter and use her as a pawn is so shocking.
I wonder are you able to absorb how ugly a man has to be to do that?

This is who he is.
As you have been advised many, many times, do NOT trust him.

Protect yourself and your child by getting the best deal for you both.
Flowers

Mix56 · 13/07/2021 20:32

Yes, Stop, Just stop saying he is a good man, a good father ( who tells his 3 year old you prefer looking st other mens willies)
He is already oerverting her infant mind.
Its not lashing out due to X Y Z
This is him hating you.

Mix56 · 13/07/2021 20:33

Perverting

loveyourself2020 · 15/07/2021 17:29

I wonder what is going on. There has not been any posts from OP for a couple of days. I hope she is ok.

billy1966 · 15/07/2021 20:31

I hooe so too.

I think he is one very unstable nasty piece of work.

Cornered men are very dangerous, particularly when they know they are about to be exposed.

I hope she has told her parents.

loveyourself2020 · 15/07/2021 21:58

@billy1966 me too, but asked a few times, she never responded, so I am thinking not. Sad

FoxgloveSummers · 16/07/2021 07:41

@helplesshopeless how are things going? I imagine it’s not been a terribly fun week. Perhaps you could just check in and let us know you’re ok? I’m hoping the reason for quietness is that you have more RL support now.

helplesshopeless · 16/07/2021 12:33

Hi everyone.

Thanks for all of your messages of support as always! Thanks

I'm sorry I haven't been on here this week, to be honest everything has been really draining and I've kind of shut down! Loads has happened since my last update, I'll try to set out a summary...

So, we agreed to sit down and discuss arrangements for our daughter on Tuesday evening. I had wanted to do it all via a mediator, but he pushed back on that (given the cost) and said we may as well try and discuss ourselves and then if it doesn't get anywhere then try the mediator.

I proposed 5 nights a fortnight with him, including a full weekend every other weekend (fri night - mon morning) plus two midnights during the working week on the other week. He absolutely ruled that out and suggested something that gave him 6 midnights, but I wasn't happy with his proposal as he basically had her switching between us every two days - clearly not a good pattern for her which he refused to reconsider!

Obviously the conversation escalated and he started saying things like he'd take me straight to court for at least 50% and he may go for full custody as he's better able to look after her than me (Hmm) because he's emotionally stable and earns more (Hmm again). He also got nasty and said that if it goes to court, he'll make sure he includes that she can't go to my parents because their dog attacks her (absolutely untrue), and he won't be flexible around Mother's Day/birthdays etc. Ended up with quite a lot of extreme verbal abuse. He also started saying stuff about me being really ugly without make up and laughing at how I looked, and other unkind personal things like that Sad

I tried a few times to sneakily record him, and I did succeed actually. However he became suspicious of it which wasn't helpful!

The following morning he came down and said something rude to me which I ignored. I was just in the middle of emailing my solicitor so quickly shut off my phone, and he decided that I'd been writing notes on him. He got really aggressive, tried to wrestle my phone off me, and basically said that once he'd dropped our daughter at nursery he'd getting my phone and I'd show him what I'd been doing. When he arrived back, he'd obviously realised he needed to play it cool as I may be recording (which I was). He started talking really reasonably about how he was trying to be civil and all he wanted to do was agree things nicely with me, yet I kept trying to trap him and record him when he was doing nothing wrong. While he was saying this, he was writing really unpleasant messages on his phone and showing them to me to read (ie so nothing would be recorded).

One of the messages he showed me to read silently said 'watch out on the stairs, they can be slippy' - that made me cry, and he was like 'why are you crying, I'm just stood in the doorway, why are you pretending i'm doing something wrong.' and so on!

The next day he emailed an updated proposal for our daughter which I'm much happier with. It gives him 6 nights a fortnight but it's a better pattern for her and I think it makes sense. So I'm inclined to agree to it.

I also spoke to my solicitor just before he emailed that through and she didn't say anything that gave me any reassurance that he wouldn't easily get at least 6 nights if it went to court, and she said that it seemed like it could be a reasonable proposal if it worked for our daughter and if we build up to it slowly. In terms of his behaviour, she said that it's not uncommon for things to escalate between couples when child arrangements are being discussed, as it's highly emotive, and so it's unlikely that his behaviour would make any different to any agreements if it did go to court, providing it wasn't impacting our daughter. She said that I could either log it with 101, or keep a detailed diary. So I've decided that if anything happens again I will call 101, but in the meantime am writing everything down.

He apologised on Wednesday night for being 'mean' and said that he was sad, and was easier for him to be angry than sad so that's why he'd been behaving like that. Since then he's been really friendly and charming (asking for snugs!! Wtf). I don't really care though as long as he's not in a bully mood!!

In terms of what's happening next, he's away for the weekend (yay!) and we have agreed to discuss child arrangements on Sunday night again. My aim will be for us to plan to come up with an arrangement that ultimately ends with his proposal, but builds up gradually to give her time to adjust. Once that is done we can discuss financials again- but my starting point is 50%, and I won't discuss anything else without a mediator present.

Finally, I'm going to spend the next few days cleaning and tidying so the house looks good for when I get someone to come and value it Wink

Sorry for the brain dump, and I hope my update doesn't alarm anyone. I have support, and I am leaving some clothes of mine and my daughter's at a friend's house so that if he does turn sour again we can easily go and stay elsewhere.

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SpringCrocus · 16/07/2021 12:49

Please, please stop "discussing" anything with him, do everything via a solicitor , and call the police NOW about his threats.
. He is dangerous, and you are in danger from him.
He needs to leave, and if he won't, you and DD need to go elsewhere.
Please.

Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 12:54

Hello @helplesshopeless, thank you for the update. I imagine it is hard to find the energy to post on here, with all that going on.

I don't want to sound like a drama queen, but he is not safe to be around. Have you told your mum yet? Could you invite her for the weekend?

You need a safe place to go. It's all very well saying his bark is worse than his bite, but people say that about their lovely pet until it savages them.

Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 12:56

I wish there was an edit function...

Scrap that about inviting your mum for the weekend.

You need to get yourself and your daughter out of there as soon as you can.

Do it this weekend. Please.

Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 12:57

One of the messages he showed me to read silently said 'watch out on the stairs, they can be slippy' - that made me cry, and he was like 'why are you crying, I'm just stood in the doorway, why are you pretending i'm doing something wrong.' and so on!

You need to tell your mum this.

And the police.

helplesshopeless · 16/07/2021 12:58

The thing is though, the solicitor didn't sound alarmed at all and said it's always best to try and agree child arrangements outside of court, because as soon as the solicitors gets involved it becomes a huge battle. She also was not concerned about what I'd told her about him. So I'm not sure where to go with that?!

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Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 12:58

And next time he holds up a silent message, read it out loud.

But better still, get out of there. Don't give him another chance to do this to you.

Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 12:59

@helplesshopeless

The thing is though, the solicitor didn't sound alarmed at all and said it's always best to try and agree child arrangements outside of court, because as soon as the solicitors gets involved it becomes a huge battle. She also was not concerned about what I'd told her about him. So I'm not sure where to go with that?!
You could still try and resolve things without solicitors, but you don't have to live under the same roof as this fucking maniac while you work things out.
Mix56 · 16/07/2021 13:08

That is totally psycho behaviour , play acting for the recording, & threatening to push you downstairs in messages.
He is dangerous, death threats are not standard escalating, your solicitor is not abuse savvy.

helplesshopeless · 16/07/2021 13:10

Ok - I think I'll call 101 this weekend while he is away then...I guess there's no harm in logging things so there's a record if I need it?! I just don't want to do anything that will push it into escalation again 😬

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Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 13:20

@helplesshopeless

Ok - I think I'll call 101 this weekend while he is away then...I guess there's no harm in logging things so there's a record if I need it?! I just don't want to do anything that will push it into escalation again 😬
Talking to someone at 101 would be a good idea.

Have you told your mum?

I completely understand your concern about not wanting to trigger some kind of escalation, and he is easily triggered isn't he.

The safest place for you is somewhere it doesn't matter how he's feeling because he can't hurt you (emotionally or otherwise).

What do you resist about this idea? It's almost as though it's a fabulous luxury you can't afford yourself.

helplesshopeless · 16/07/2021 13:23

I am telling my mum this weekend! Grin I just needed some space and quiet to do it, and I will have that while he's gone.

Re being elsewhere, I guess it's just the upheaval for our daughter - obviously she's in for lots of change in the next few months and I don't want to make things any more confusing for her. Plus, he doesn't do any of these things in front of her, and taking her out the house to stay elsewhere will only trigger him further.

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Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 13:25

Your mum knows him better than we do. I'm so glad you're telling her this weekend. Please don't leave anything out. Flowers

billy1966 · 16/07/2021 13:31

Please log it with 101 and tell your parents.

I mean this very kindly but it is not normal to wish a person harm.

The mother of his child.

He had to type out the words that he wishes you harm.

He threatened your safety.

All along you defend this man and it just gets uglier and uglier.

Your daughter needs her mother safe and well.

He is one very ugly man who wishes you harm.

You need to wake up to this and protect yourself.

Tell family and friends about his threats towards you.
Flowers

FantasticButtocks · 16/07/2021 13:40

@SpringCrocus

Please, please stop "discussing" anything with him, do everything via a solicitor , and call the police NOW about his threats. . He is dangerous, and you are in danger from him. He needs to leave, and if he won't, you and DD need to go elsewhere. Please.

I think that ship has sailed Confused the advice to not discuss arrangements with him without a mediator was given endlessly and by many people on here who were trying to help. The advice was given for good reason. Let's hope that others reading this thread might at least benefit from it.

Alcemeg · 16/07/2021 13:41

Caroline Crouch's daughter will grow up wishing her mum had got out of the house sooner.

Better safe than sorry, OP. Flowers

Cavagirl · 16/07/2021 14:10

I'm so sorry to read these updates OP. Another one saying you need to either get him out, or get yourself and DD out. And again for the record you need to stop talking about this stuff just the two of you, including your financial settlement. Do you even know what 50/50 means? Do you know what he has? You cannot do this alone.

I'm actually quite shocked you've not told your parents yet. You should be metaphorically at the top of a bloody great hill with a flag waving for help at this point.

I can't help but think you're still subconsciously hoping you can smooth all this over with minimum disruption, noise, and awfulness for everyone. You can't I'm afraid, and you need to start making some noise to get some help for yourself and DD.

Re being elsewhere, I guess it's just the upheaval for our daughter - obviously she's in for lots of change in the next few months and I don't want to make things any more confusing for her. Plus, he doesn't do any of these things in front of her, and taking her out the house to stay elsewhere will only trigger him further.

You cannot manage him. He will act like an abusive arsehole because he is an abusive arsehole. There is nothing you can do to stop this. Accept that.

Disruption to your DD is a small price to pay for keeping her DM safe. Please start taking his threats seriously and take action Sad

KatherineSiena · 16/07/2021 14:13

You say he doesn’t do these things in front of your daughter but he made inappropriate “willy” comments to her didn’t he?

You’re an inherently decent person who clearly gives him the benefit of the doubt, time and time again. I think, as I said ages ago, that you seem to want to atone for your indiscretion by giving in to him. He’s now ratcheting things up and is threatening you. You think he doesn’t mean it, but I bet in the dark recesses of his mind he wants to punish you.

I know you don’t want to escalate things but I would seriously consider getting out this weekend and log everything with 101. Please don’t hold back when you tell your mum, tell her all of his nasty threats and hopefully she will encourage you to get out.

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