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I need to leave

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Everydayisawindingroad · 09/06/2021 01:03

Married with DC and I hate to say this but I’m now utterly repulsed by him due to his ongoing abuse and treatment of me. I’m not in an immediate danger but I do need to escape before it destroys me and further damages the DC. Hoping for a handhold as I navigate this new chapter. I’m utterly petrified as I feel I’m just about to jump into the deep end of a pool unable to swim but deep down I know I need to do it.

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Everydayisawindingroad · 01/07/2021 11:53

Physically feeling pretty awful don’t know if it’s a bug or just the stress of everything.
I know I’m meant to black rock but I can’t tolerate the way he speaks to me. It’s also starting to rub off on one of the dc.
I just wish I could take the dc and get away with them for a few days, but dh would veto it. It doesn’t bear thinking about another lockdown over winter and still being stuck under the same roof as him.

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Sundayblues21 · 01/07/2021 12:24

Sorry you're feeling rubbish @Everydayisawindingroad. I feel like my face has aged 10 years on the last 2 weeks and am feeling pretty run down too.
Why would he veto you taking the kids away? I would seriously consider just booking somewhere and telling him you're going.
I have been wondering if anything will change with my dc and the way my eldest in particular communicates with me.

I am hopeful that things will get better.
Having an underlying tone of contempt is unlikely to go completely unnoticed I guess.

Everydayisawindingroad · 01/07/2021 13:12

@Sundayblues21 he would disapprove of money being spent for a holiday and him being excluded. In fact, he got stroppy when I took the dc out on the Friday of half term and he didn’t get to join us as he was working. He wanted us at home even if that meant the dc missing out.

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Flyg · 01/07/2021 13:37

[quote Everydayisawindingroad]@Aquamarine1029 thanks. I think I’m going to just need to take a day at a time, anything else seems utterly overwhelming[/quote]
Ive got out, loads of people here have done it. And you will do it too. You life will be better.
Take one day at a time, and even one HOUR at a time if you need too to protect yourself from feeling overwhelmed. Good luck

Sundayblues21 · 01/07/2021 13:45

@Everydayisawindingroad how selfish! Do you have family or a friend you could stay with for a couple of nights.

I can't handle the atmosphere at home at the minute. It irritates me that he can't put an act on around the dc. I keep going out on an evening to give him some time with them when things aren't awkward.

Everydayisawindingroad · 01/07/2021 20:03

@Sundayblues21 I can definitely relate to wanting to get out of the house just to avoid the horrendous atmosphere. Unfortunately, I’ve not got anyone I could stay with at the moment with the dc due to space constraints, but I could possibly crash at someone’s myself for a night just to get away.

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Sundayblues21 · 01/07/2021 20:13

@Everydayisawindingroad I'm seriously considering booking a hotel for myself, but know he would use it as an example of my incapable mothering skills!

Everydayisawindingroad · 01/07/2021 21:23

[quote Sundayblues21]@Everydayisawindingroad I'm seriously considering booking a hotel for myself, but know he would use it as an example of my incapable mothering skills![/quote]
Do you have someone that you can say you urgently need to visit or help in order to stay in a hotel in peace? I don’t normally condone lying but sometimes needs must.

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Sundayblues21 · 01/07/2021 22:27

@Everydayisawindingroad oddly enough I asked him if we could swap and I sleep on the sofa tonight. He snapped that he is going to stay elsewhere at the weekend.
I now feel incredibly guilty that I am causing so much upset. It's so hard to stay strong when you know you are hurting the person you thought you would be with forever and whose feelings you have always put above your own.
I'm having to fight all of my natural instincts to go an apologise to him for creating such a mess!

purplepeony10 · 02/07/2021 12:26

@Everydayisawindingroad @Sundayblues21 I suggested going away, he would always say that I was wasting money. When I finally said I wanted us to have a break apart, he firstly implied that we couldn't afford for me to do that.
When I first told him, there was two stages, first was denial and the usual trying to accuse me, make me feel bad (which I did), the second stage was trying to persuade me down a slightly less dramatic route. Like the few days apart route.
Looking back over the last 12 days, I'm so so pleased I doggedly stuck to my mantra of 6 months living separate. I said it so many times, like a robot, of course inside I was doubting myself. Like you I was fighting my natural instincts to just cave in and apologise. Each time it was really hard, but now he has accepted it, finally. It's been exhausting, but I do believe it is worth it, or it will be worth it in the future. Ha cross fingers!

No one, not me or my DH should live like that. He has some issues, I believed his issue was me, and I caused it.
So if you can try to believe that in the long run, you are the strong one, you will be helping him and the DCs, not to mention yourself. It may not feel like it now, but hopefully in the future we will all be able to look back and say, we did the right thing.

Yes, I absolutely feel at the moment like the 'bad' person. I think his family think that, the DCs think that and some of our friends think that. That's hard. But it's not a reason not to do it.
I couldn't stay with him, to save 'face'.
Yes, I've hurt the person, I adored and married 19 years ago. But he now sees why I've done it. I lived with him hurting me for too long.
I'm not punishing him, it's no longer a tit for tat argument. I've run out of love, it's been chipped away and there is nothing left.

Do not apologise, you are all wonderful people, do not apologise for being yourself. If you can find a quiet moment with your DH without it descending into an argument or him getting angry, then do try to talk with him, my friends.

In the midst of everything I forgot about the most important person, my youngest DC, although she's a teenager, I didn't keep her updated or in the loop. She kicked off, I guess she was thinking we were going to sell the house next week or something. I felt very bad I had not spoken to her much through the week. Trying to rectify that now.

There is another way to live, there is another way to be, we have to move forward, and to get there there will be pain. But staying as we are, is not a long term way to live for anyone.

purplepeony10 · 02/07/2021 12:39

@camouflagejacket how are you getting on? I hope things are ok with you.

purplepeony10 · 02/07/2021 15:42

I just read a good article on stress, and how it can affect your ability to make decisions. Basically when you're stressed, you don't function right.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/stress/signs-of-stress/

By having a break from my DH, I'm just giving myself space to think clearly and rationally. I don't think that is a lot to ask.
And hopefully it's the same for him!

camouflagejacket · 02/07/2021 21:01

@purplepeony10 thank you for asking, not good today but I just re-read your post and it helped. We can't seem to find time to have a sensible conversation, it's all hissed in the kitchen. I'm worried the kids think just that, we're gonna sell up next week. That can't happen this year and we have to find a way round that.

I feel like I'm running out of steam. Because he's not allowing himself to be a total shit ( ie himself) this is all going to look unreasonable when we tell the kids. I'm going to be the villain. I know it.

purplepeony10 · 02/07/2021 21:12

@camouflagejacket I'm so sorry, yes by being the instigator of the break, we are the villains it appears, but over time they will see why and that we did the right thing. But time takes time.
You can be super nice, and sell it as a positive thing, this is going to make us both think clearer and better about things. Both you and him will be better people at the end, although at first it will be a little tough.
Have you spoken to DCs yet?

My DH finally told his family and that was a huge step, that was him accepting it was happening and also what had happened to get us here.

I do think that the anger comes from fear, a very deep fear.

Sundayblues21 · 02/07/2021 21:33

@purplepeony10 and @camouflagejacket I understand the looking like then villan. I think it's because that's how they perceive us, so the one time we actually stand our ground and say enough is enough, they use the straw that broke the camels back as the reason for the split, not the years of crap prior to it.
Dh has left for the weekend after once again expecting me to wave a magic wand and resolve our situation.

He really does see me as the only one at fault here.

He didn't even bother to collect the children he apparently doesn't trust me with to say goodbye to them.

He is impossible at times. He cannot deal with things in an adult manner.

He asked if we could resolve things and noted that he was asking me as I hold all the control. I pointed out that this isn't about control, but I think sadly, for him, it is.

camouflagejacket · 03/07/2021 12:23

so the one time we actually stand our ground and say enough is enough, they use the straw that broke the camels back as the reason for the split, not the years of crap prior to it.

This is it exactly! It's like I woke up one morning and I'm a whim said 'let's end this' No! I was literally saying really clearly for the previous week 'this is abuse and I don't have to put up with it'. And you my DH decided to go one step further instead of reining it in. You know what? I'm asking myself if he is actually engineering this.

Everydayisawindingroad · 03/07/2021 20:48

Not ready to let the cat out of the bag about wanting a divorce but I did have to call him out on his behaviour yet again. Tried to excuse his behaviour as reasonable and claims I’m not looking at the situation in the right way. Any insults are excused as you should be able to have fun and joke around with your family.
I needed incredible restraint not to just blurt it out earlier today about leaving him but I need to get my ducks in a row first. In fact, if I’m completely honest I don’t know how long to “allow myself” to get things in order since I need to change jobs in order to properly support myself and the dc. I need to wait until after the holidays as I don’t have sufficient childcare to cover a full time job and DH does big important job he couldn’t possibly take time off from to support me.
I don’t feel as if I have anyone irl who has my back. What a bloody lonely isolating existence. Feeling a bit sorry for myself if I’m being completely honest and feeling under the weather too doesn’t help.
I’m not sure I could cope with another lockdown. I’m just hoping that we can get through winter without too much upheaval.

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camouflagejacket · 03/07/2021 23:15

Hey @Everydayisawindingroad
You sound in such a sad place, I'm sorry Thanks. It's a long time to wait till Winter, not being able to start making plans.

camouflagejacket · 03/07/2021 23:19

Sorry, that posted before I meant to. So if he has a big important job, would that not mean you'd get some settlement from him? Have you talked to a solicitor? I found I got a lot of clarity from a one hour consultation. Still struggling to put it into action but I felt stronger afterwards. Xx

Everydayisawindingroad · 03/07/2021 23:38

@camouflagejacket the job is certainly paid above average but not enough to get much of a settlement from him unfortunately. He was in line for a significant promotion last year but then covid hit and now the position he was going to fill no longer exists but he’s still got some of the responsibilities of the new role.
I’m definitely going to speak to a solicitor. Got a recommendation for a shl but the first consult was over 400 pounds including VAT so I couldn’t follow through. Realistically, I’d need to get through my probationary period for a new job before I could get a rental. I know he’ll be able to provide a better lifestyle for the dc and will manage to manipulate them using that which saddens me. I actually feel selfish for breaking up the family but because of his behaviour i know things can’t go on like this long term. There seems little if indeed any remorse for his behaviour which is the most soul destroying thing.

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camouflagejacket · 04/07/2021 10:24

I can completely understand that you want to be practical about this, just don't wait too long. I feel like I've been waiting for years.
£400 for a first consultation is really expensive, most of the ones I checked with were £150 and mine was fine for that. A £400 lawyer will cost you dear later. If you don't have a lot of money you're chasing, you don't need a SHL that specialises in HMW cases. But you do need to know your rights and your local firm specialising in family law should be able to help you. Please get some advice soon, it will help you feel in control xx

Everydayisawindingroad · 04/07/2021 20:40

@camouflagejacket hope your weekend went ok. Utterly exhausted by it all. Woke up at stupid o’clock. Told dh today he has not been behaving in a way towards me that shows me he loves me, in fact I said more recently you’ve not been behaving in a way that shows me you like me. His response was I made you a cup of tea this morning. Lord give me strength!

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Everydayisawindingroad · 04/07/2021 20:41

Pressed post too soon. Yes I will get a local family lawyer and check they have experience with family violence cases.

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Sundayblues21 · 05/07/2021 06:16

@Everydayisawindingroad that's the feeling I can't shake with my dh, that he just doesn't like me. I am having a bit of a wobble wondering if it's more to do with me than him, as he tells me he does love me (now the shit has hit the fan), but really, it's because his words and actions are very often unkind.

Dh has found somewhere to live and it has sent me into a bit of a spin, doubting myself. He has said he doesn't want to leave and I am letting my mental health rip the family apart.
It seems odd as during his last rant he made it very clear that he didn't want to be with me and wishes he had left. Now it's heading that way he's very reluctant!

Everydayisawindingroad · 05/07/2021 13:41

Even if DH did a complete 360 and apologised for his behaviour and actually meant it I’m still not sure the marriage could be salvaged. For him to have treated me so appallingly for at least the past 6-7 years is imho unforgivable. I just can’t believe he thinks it’s acceptable to behave like this towards the dc and I. I’ve been on the receiving end more than the dc but that’s not really the point.
@Sundayblues21 don’t get drawn into his mind games. You said yourself his words and behaviour are often unkind. He’s not taking responsibility and instead shifting the blame to say it’s your mental health that’s splitting the family up when in all reality it’s his behaviour. That is not the actions/words of a remorseful loving partner/husband.

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