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John learns to adult

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R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 00:12

Thread 2 - many thanks to @GAHgamel for the thread title. And to everyone else who has supported and advised me thus far.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 31/05/2021 02:50

@R0SEMARY - yes, I'm sorry, of course you wouldn't let him pay your utility bills!

Parts of his proposals are outrageous and ridiculous and you and your solicitor should be able to demolish them totally. Grin As for you "being provided for" - by your own efforts/inheritance - well, the solicitor should sort that out too.

Also, make sure you go after his pension in the divorce settlement (which he doesn't want, probably largely because of his pension!!)

You sound so much lighter and happier now - still grinning for you!

Pureau · 31/05/2021 07:16

SD's head is going to explode when he hires wife 3.0 and her inheritance is divvied up further.

C0nstance · 31/05/2021 08:01

Ha ha! True.

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 08:23

[quote ThumbWitchesAbroad]@R0SEMARY - yes, I'm sorry, of course you wouldn't let him pay your utility bills!

Parts of his proposals are outrageous and ridiculous and you and your solicitor should be able to demolish them totally. Grin As for you "being provided for" - by your own efforts/inheritance - well, the solicitor should sort that out too.

Also, make sure you go after his pension in the divorce settlement (which he doesn't want, probably largely because of his pension!!)

You sound so much lighter and happier now - still grinning for you![/quote]
Yes I agree this is about his pension and child support. Because we have already largely sorted out the property issue. My solicitor said that ideally we’d have traded off one against the other but I had the cash to do it a step at a time and it allowed me to get him out the house sooner.

John is very arrogant about legal matters and imagines that his own interpretation of the law will prevail . So it doesn’t surprise me that he believes that the child support he pays should be based on what he considers to be my needs ie can I keep a roof over the children’s heads . Rather than his salary , which is 7 times mine.

The fact that he’s so keen to pay the bills shows me that he’s worried I’ll go after what he thinks of as his assets - which are of course matrimonial assets.

He thinks it’s a generous offer that will keep me quiet and stop me going to a divorce solicitor ( as opposed to a conveyancing solicitor who did the house transactions ).

He also thinks I will be so blind sided by his amazingly generous statement that he will pay the bills that I won’t think of working out how much child support he is due to pay.

And of course it’s the kind of thing that sounds good to the children, who understand what utility bills are. Whereas a pension is a rather nebulous concept. As we see all the time here on MN, where women who have been SAHP / worked PT for years to facilitate his career declare that “ it would be wrong to touch his pension “ .

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Sally872 · 31/05/2021 08:30

Well done! Your so good at seeing through his shit. Sounds like some sensible kids too.

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 08:43

@Pureau

SD's head is going to explode when he hires wife 3.0 and her inheritance is divvied up further.
Indeed. I don’t think he will have any problems filling that vacancy. He’s solvent, has his own hair, house and car and no criminal record. Which is pretty much all you need to get a wife in our age group ( where single women vastly outnumber single men ).

He won’t come across as creepy, like the majority of men on OLD who are constantly banging on about porn sex and sending dick pics. That’s actually because he’s not interested in sex, but it comes across as respectful.

Plus he can be very charming and attentive when he wants to be. Of course he turns it on and off again like a tap. It’s just a behaviour to suck people in and then he can use and control them.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing 🙁

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Quaverscrisps · 31/05/2021 09:23

I just read the old thread. It was disturbing to watch posters round up on Helen at the end, a woman who has been lied to and abused by the same man who abused you and yet after 20 years she was expected to make such sense of it all, of her father. I thought reading it that he must have deliberately concocted something to derail the whole wedding for his daughter. Homophobic twat. And now to see him portrayed as some soppy laughable figure trying to sort out his washing. Don't think so.

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 09:38

@Twoforthree - I was wondering where to buy that interesting cleaning product you mention ? 😉

@Hen2018 sadly we have milk bottles here. But your concept is good.

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FantasticButtocks · 31/05/2021 09:40

John is very arrogant about legal matters and imagines that his own interpretation of the law will prevail

This made me laugh @R0SEMARY Grin

MzHz · 31/05/2021 09:42

Oh thank god these people won’t be your problem anymore!

Don’t be too harsh on yourself

CallmeHendricks · 31/05/2021 10:06

"John is very arrogant about legal matters and imagines that his own interpretation of the law will prevail"

This made me laugh too. Mind you, it's pretty representative of a large number of MNers, who wade into threads spouting absolute bollocks in answer to real-life predicaments.

picklemewalnuts · 31/05/2021 10:11

@Quaverscrisps

I just read the old thread. It was disturbing to watch posters round up on Helen at the end, a woman who has been lied to and abused by the same man who abused you and yet after 20 years she was expected to make such sense of it all, of her father. I thought reading it that he must have deliberately concocted something to derail the whole wedding for his daughter. Homophobic twat. And now to see him portrayed as some soppy laughable figure trying to sort out his washing. Don't think so.
Helen, as an adult, has to live with the consequences of the choices she has made. She has had Rosemary's example, care and support for many many years, as well as her father's. Just like Rosemary's children.
Skiptheheartsandflowers · 31/05/2021 10:38

I hope you've changed the locks now OP. And I would bite the bullet and pay for a clearance company to just take all his junk away, without telling him. I have dealt with one who did it for free on the basis that they could keep and sell anything they removed. That might be your best route. It's not as if he's going to get on with clearing it himself - you know he won't do that, he'll just leave it indefinitely.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 31/05/2021 10:39

I read your previous thread yesterday, @R0SEMARY - and swung between horror at how awful John has been, sympathy for you, huge admiration for you, and laughing at the wit and wisdom of MNers.

I am so glad you are getting free from this useless lump of a man, and I’m loving it that you already sound so much lighter and freer as a result.

As I said on another thread - about a different male waste of skin - may his next shite be a porcupine.

MotherofTerriers · 31/05/2021 10:48

Poor John, next time he complains about having to wait in for 4 hours for a delivery tell him that if he phones customer services and explains how busy he is they'll give him an exact time
That should help

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 11:23

@MotherofTerriers thanks that’s a useful tip, I’ll pass it on 😬

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius thanks, your comments mean a lot as I “know” you because I’m a very old Mumsnetter who has NC , for obvious reasons.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers - I had a hard conversation with John last night about getting his stuff out earlier. He’s thinking about it while he’s performance packing and I’m sitting eating ice cream. Yes I know it’s not very healthy but at least it’s not gin.

Normally I’d feel guilty about him working and so I’d be helping him. But I thought of you lot of got out the coffee ice cream instead.

Although I did pack a lot of his stuff yesterday as a totally altruistic act.

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Maxiedog123 · 31/05/2021 12:00

I think I'd help him by packing up the stuff of his I particularly disliked

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 12:27

@Maxiedog123 that is indeed my cunning plan.

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Mix56 · 31/05/2021 12:30

Yes, we did a house clearance for a minimal cost, but the guy was able to sell anything of value

Maxiedog123 · 31/05/2021 13:15

I don't suppose he has clocks does he?

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 13:28

@Maxiedog123

I don't suppose he has clocks does he?
Well I guess he does now if he or Helen are reading this thread Grin

Though I’m pretty sure that If Helen was here she would not be able to resist commenting. Or at least complaining to MN and asking for the threads to be removed as they are libelling her.

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QioiioiioQ · 31/05/2021 13:33

Normally I’d feel guilty about him working and so I’d be helping him. But I thought of you lot of got out the coffee ice cream instead
This is good 😊
(but then again are you sure it won't tip him off that things aren't going to be quite as straightforward as he hopes?)

Maxiedog123 · 31/05/2021 13:37

It's just he sounds awfully like a couple of men I know, very definitely not your ex, who collect old clocks. Perhaps it's something about the personality type.

R0SEMARY · 31/05/2021 13:41

@QioiioiioQ

Normally I’d feel guilty about him working and so I’d be helping him. But I thought of you lot of got out the coffee ice cream instead This is good 😊 (but then again are you sure it won't tip him off that things aren't going to be quite as straightforward as he hopes?)
I think he has already guessed that. Mostly from all the “ oh dear” s and my not solving his problems for him.

It’s hard to break the habits of 20 years.

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RogueMNerHidesUnderBigHat · 31/05/2021 13:49

Been lurking from the start.

So pleased at how this has worked out for you and your DC 💐