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John learns to adult

806 replies

R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 00:12

Thread 2 - many thanks to @GAHgamel for the thread title. And to everyone else who has supported and advised me thus far.

OP posts:
Eggshausted · 30/05/2021 09:36

Good for you Rosemary!

Sandunesandseashells · 30/05/2021 09:41

@MrsTerryPratchett

May he learn the hard way why you don't wash and dry everything on hot.

May all his clothes be tiny pieces of felt.

😂😂 And may waiting for multiple deliveries confine him to his new home!
Aprilwasverywet · 30/05/2021 09:47

I truly hope you are invoicing him for the storage costs he is racking up by leaving his stuff in YOUR home..

messybun101 · 30/05/2021 10:15

I've come from your last thread to cheer you on @R0SEMARY. STBEx is an arse

RedorBlack · 30/05/2021 10:18

Well done OP, your latest updates are making me smile this morning. My own version of John came round the other day and told me how proud he is of standing on his own two feet now. Right before asking me for money Hmm

R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 10:22

You guys make me laugh Grin. I’m enjoying the mental images of him taking his tiny felted jumped out of the tumble drier along with his pink work shirts. And him cleaning the toilet.

And laughing is better than crying. Actually I’m not crying but of course part of me feels sad. Not because I love him but because it’s the end of hope - you know that tiny bit of hope you have that somehow you can make it work for the sake of the kids. Even though I know it’s not a behaviour, it’s who he is and he will never change.

The kids seem to be taking it ok. Peter (the oldest) is away from home most of the year so it affects him less. He knows that his father has had affairs and can see it’s not a normal happy marriage, so he wasn’t surprised when Helen told him their dad was leaving. Apparently she has been telling him to leave for years.

I’m sure that’s true but why the hell did she think it was ok to tell him that?

Middle child was the one who was shocked and youngest barely skipped a beat. Said “ I knew it was coming, it was just a matter of time”.

John was VERY upset at the children’s reaction - because they weren’t upset. He wanted drama and the children clinging to him pleading “Daddy Daddy please don’t leave . Evil Mummy, you have chased him away! “.

In fact two of them were quite cheerful about it and the third was shocked but said ok and left the room.

Then they all got on with their plans for the day/ weekend and John’s pride was very dented. He does love a scene.

He also imagined that the children would volunteer to cancel their plans for the holiday weekend and come help him pack / unpack / clean his new house. Those of you who have ever met a teenager will know how that went.

John and I had agreed a script to tell them, which had about 10 versions before we could agree . This was done by email as he was working away , and also because I wanted a written record of the discussion, which turned out to be very useful.

The first version was full of lies, drama, lies , inappropriate information, new information about finances and of course lies. Did I mention lies?

It was all about him ( you will be surprised to know). Said that the reason our marriage had broken down was because I didn’t love or trust him anymore . The reason he gave for this was him lending money to a colleague some years ago.

The truth is that he GAVE a great deal of our money and the business’s money to his affair partner, who was our employee. So the legal ramifications of his affair ending ( she dumped him) and her leaving our employment went on for several years.

Of course there are many other reasons for the end of our marriage , but not of these need to be shared with the children.

So that version got the red pen . I’m amazed that he thought that (a) it was appropriate to tell the children that and (b) he thought I would sit by and allow his to blame the marriage breakdown on my lack of trust .

Version 2 was full of how difficult it was for him, how sad he was and how hard he has tried to make things work. So that got the red pen for being untrue AND inappropriate . He was most put out when I said this was about the kids and their feelings and not his.

It was also full of random pointless lies like “ you [kids] are the first to know “ and manipulative lies like “ we will still be a family and spend significant days together, nothing will change “ and “ this is our family business so don’t tell anyone “ Hmm Hmm.

It was also a great insight into his thinking, with a whole lot of information that was new to me.

He wrote that we will separate but not divorce because then I can inherit from him tax free and the children will get more of his money so it’s to protect them . More manipulation of course .

I presume he wants to stay legally married because it’s less shameful in our culture than divorce. And presumably because it still gives him some control in my life and prevents me remarrying. And most of all it stops me having a fair share of the matrimonial assets.

He also wrote some details of the financial arrangement that are totally new to me. For example he’s going to pay some of the utility bills on my house ( look at me kids, how generous I am to help your mum ). I’m sure its nothing to do with the fact that these bills come to about half of the child support that he’s due to pay.

So it was all very useful to know his thinking on money / legal issues. And sadly, I was able to see, yet again , that he is incapable of putting the children before his ego.

So all that was left in his speech to the kids was “ I’m moving out and you are all staying here. Here’s where I’m moving to and you can come and visit me anytime I’m not working “.

Because that’s basically all we can agree on - these few facts. Even then I’m sure he’s told them a lot of lies behind my back but there’s nothing I can do about that.

I warned him not try to and make the kids take sides, that it’s emotionally damaging for them and they will lose all respect for him in the long term. But I’m sure he won’t listen.

Sigh.

OP posts:
Aprilwasverywet · 30/05/2021 10:27

I hope you do intend to divorce him op... He doesn't get to decide that..

RonSwansonsChair · 30/05/2021 10:41

Thanks for the new thread OP, love the title!! 😆
Best of luck for the future, you're handling all this amazingly 👏Flowers💐

RandomMess · 30/05/2021 10:46

Good on you for cornering him into giving an appropriate version to the DC. Underneath it they know the truth anyway.

Keep getting your ducks in a row ready for the divorce.

It is sad when all hope is gone but more lightness in being free is to come.

Onwards and upwards Thanks

Stressedout65 · 30/05/2021 10:54

What was the title of the original thread? Best of luck in your new, free life xx

picklemewalnuts · 30/05/2021 11:12

@Stressedout65

What was the title of the original thread? Best of luck in your new, free life xx
Uninvited to family wedding www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4177035-Uninvited-to-family-wedding
waitingforthenextseason · 30/05/2021 11:34

What a deluded fool he is to think his kids don't know who he really is and don't know whose fault it all really is. And to think you'd allow him to only 'separate' and not move on a divorce. He's a fool.

I hope all his shirts turn grey or pink in the laundry and shrink, and that he spends hours and hours scrubbing grimy surfaces in his new home.

greyinganddecaying · 30/05/2021 11:44

Hi OP - I hope you have a separation agreement in place if you're not divorcing yet. Otherwise it could all get very messy.

FakeColinCaterpillar · 30/05/2021 11:53

It was also full of random pointless lies like “ you [kids] are the first to know “ and manipulative lies like “ we will still be a family and spend significant days together, nothing will change “ and “ this is our family business so don’t tell anyone

Someone thinks they are coming for Christmas...

LongTimeMammaBear · 30/05/2021 11:58

OP, please considering term strategy concerning this narcissist. Divorce as soon as you can and if possible, clean break. The children are teens, they can make their own arrangements to see him without much involvement from you. Once they’re adults, you’ll have no need to interact with him at all with a clean break. So no control over you nor how you live your life, decisions you make etc. Hoping for your happy future without him (and without helen).

Daleksatemyshed · 30/05/2021 12:11

Thanks for making a second thread @R0SEMARY. I'm so enjoying hearing about John's adulting lessons, I particularly loved the "why is everything sticky" Grin. Maybe you could buy him some j cloths as a leaving present?

intheenddoesitreallymatter · 30/05/2021 12:16

This man is foul and so is his scabby daughter.

You sound wonderful and so do your three. In five years you will laugh together and how awful it was to live with him and all of this will be an old and distant memory.

Well done OP, you achieved what seemed impossible in February. Now get yourself some carpet samples and think how you’re going to redecorate your lovely home and buy a new cook book and think what meals you can make in your now uninterrupted kitchen. You’ve suffered through twenty years with this Twat, don’t suffer a second more.

R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 12:21

@FakeColinCaterpillar how right you are. And birthdays.

Don’t worry everyone, his plan to separate but not divorce is exactly that - his plan, not mine.

I have very good legal advice and I’ll be following it. However I don’t talk much on these threads about legal / financial issues as I’m aware than anyone could be reading them. John may be incredibly stupid about housework ( conveniently for him ) but he’s not about money. In fact money, power and his image are all he cares about in this world.

His weakness is that he thinks that’s all everyone else cares about as well.

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ArrrMeHearties · 30/05/2021 12:32

May his clothes end up shrinking in the tumble dryer after being dyed in the washing machine Grin

picklemewalnuts · 30/05/2021 12:35

Ah, the Mumsnet curse...
May the red sock be overlooked in the white wash and your surfaces all be sticky!

StCharlotte · 30/05/2021 12:44

When he realises he has to hoover again...

Congratulations OP on your dignity, humour and new freedom 🍾

ShoutingBirb · 30/05/2021 12:46

Can't wait to hear about the mishaps that are bound to happen. Is he aware that clean clothes/food shopping/the dishwasher being unloaded is not a magical happening and actually requires someone to do it?

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 30/05/2021 12:49

I knew exactly what this was from the title and, I have to say, it really made me smile.

Aprilwasverywet · 30/05/2021 12:52

Before long he will look like Neil from The Young Ones! And his new home sound like their flat already!!

Orgasmagorical · 30/05/2021 13:11

I would LOVE to box up all his crap and have the men take it on Tuesday but that’s not physically possible. There’s a HUGE amount - just they basement alone is two rooms lined with racking filled to ceiling height with his junk. The garage is the same and it’s probably big enough for 1.5 cars. Plus the attic. There’s literally hundreds of boxes full.

Once Tuesday's out the way, if you could get him to agree to paying for a removal firm to box up and bring him the rest of his 'few' precious belongings (think how easy that would make everything, John!) they could have it done in a day. The difficulty will be if they want payment up front - he might put two and two together that there'll be more than he wants realises.