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I know it’s early days but tell me it gets easier.

347 replies

Californiansunsets · 29/04/2021 18:12

DH and I split up this week. I found out he was cheating. He told me today he doesn’t know if he loves her, or if he will be with her further down the line.

I was with him for 36 years, married for 31. I am devastated even though he treated me badly, I just can’t turn my feelings off.

I keep thinking if them together, it was a week ago today I found out. I’m struggling today.

I keep thinking my life is going to be so shit without him, we will never go in holiday together, he won’t be holding my hand anymore, I won’t receive flowers from him anymore.

I’m 50 and I just don’t see a future without him.

I actually wish I could just sleep forever.

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awalkbythesea · 06/05/2021 08:08

Hang in there. I had the same and now the ex is mid 50's and has two babies. He looks miserable, old and has clearly messed up his life.
I'm as free as a bird, have never felt so confident and look great !!! I lost heaps of weight like you but put it all back on and still feel good.
I PROMISE it gets better. You do need to grieve first and you'll never forget what happened, but I promise you that you will be happier than him in the end !

Sunshineandflipflops · 06/05/2021 08:09

It's good that you are in a position to buy him out.

I have the sae situation regarding the family home - it's a 3 bed and I can't downsize with the 2 kids. I also need to stay within walking distance of their school, which isn't the cheapest part of town so if we sell up and split the equity, I can't afford anything big enough. I work but can't afford to buy him out or take over the mortgage so I am depending on his word that we can stay here and he will continue to make that possible financially.

I am going to see a solicitor again soon as I'd really like to get divorced but don't want to lose our home in the process so don't know what to do for the best. I wish I could just buy him out.

Sunshineandflipflops · 06/05/2021 08:12

Oh, my ex also told people he hadn't been happy for a while, which was news to me but funnily enough the change in his behaviour coincided nicely with him starting an affair. I expect its difficult to be happy when you are sneaking around and lying to everyone and scared of getting caught. You know the truth about your relationship, as do I and that's all I need to know.

Californiansunsets · 06/05/2021 08:14

He can’t have anymore kids as he has had a vasectomy. However it will be interesting to see how their relationship pans out. She has one child and she lost a baby about November 2019, it was an IVF baby so her and her husband were trying for another but yet a year later she is having an affair with my husband. I wonder if he has told her he can’t have anymore kids.

No one in the family can see him settling with her, he actually can’t be bothered with kids for a long time. It will actually be laughable thinking of him and her away on holiday and her 5 year old with them. He will hate that.

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Amdone123 · 06/05/2021 08:23

@Californiansunsets, I know I shouldn't laugh, but your last post made me chuckle!! It's all going to work out ok in the end.
Good luck today, you'll be fine.

UpTheJunktion · 06/05/2021 08:27

Oh, god, OP, huge sympathies.

The make ego in full mid life crisis. Having re-invented himself as attractive to a younger woman etc.

I am sorry he is blaming you... it’s all part of the script. The lying too.

They deflect the guilt they feel by blaming you.

I was consumed by rage. Until it was eating me up. You are doing well in getting the mechanics of a split sorted, and hopefully building the first blocks of your own life will help.

As much as you can, see friends, do things that benefit you, keep busy.

It does take time but eventually you will start to detach and view him with contempt, for his pathetic lies and immature failure to take responsibility.

Sunshineandflipflops · 06/05/2021 08:28

My ex had the snip too op. Not sure his 27 year old OW factored that in when embarking on a relationship with him (he was 40 at the time). I can't help but think that factored into them splitting up (or him cheating on her). He'd had his kids and was quite happy being free again but I guess she probably wanted them at some point and our children were just an annoyance to her from what I can gather. Not what she thought she was getting!

I am so glad he had the snip so that he didn't have to inflict half siblings on our kids who have already been through more than enough. Selfishly, I'm glad for me too as I think that would be more than I could deal with.

Californiansunsets · 06/05/2021 11:57

Well doctor has put me on antidepressants and given me sleeping tables. Wanted to give me diazepam to calm me down but I refused that.

I also had an appointment to get a lash lift and tint (made the appointment weeks ago before all this started) so I got that done this morning. Was just nice to get out the house for a little while.

One minute I love him, the next I hate him and I hate to say it but there is a tiny tiny bit of hope in me that he realises he has made a massive mistake and wants to come back. I hate myself for feeling that way. What is wrong with me, am I completely mad for thinking that?

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criminallyinsane · 06/05/2021 12:35

@Calforniansunsets how are you today? Did you sleep? Do hope your doctor gave you some sleeping tablets and was kind to you yesterday. You need sleep and lots of water to replace those tears, to process and get better. Christ only knows what makes these men so bloody ridiculous and PREDICTABLE. So dull and WEIRD and drama queen but ultimately damp squib level disappointing and yet they think they're the only ones in the world going through this... Yeh yeh yeh and yawn. So much collateral ireparable damage when they are just so pathetic really.

I PROMISE you it does get better, and in ways that you can't forsee or imagine now. Look up trauma bonding and the effects of abandonment as they have a very real and negative impact on the way you will recover and look back at your marriage in hindsight. Even PTSD. It takes a while for the heart to catch up with your mind and harbouring feelings of love is to your credit (not his, he just does not deserve your love but believe me he'll take them and boost his ego - 2 women in love with him! WHAT a GOD!!) but those feelings are not to your benefit in terms of recovery.

Don't believe a word of what he tells you from the day he left onwards. He is consumed by guilt - for now - hence the anger, and blaming you is the easiest way to make poor Diddums feel better. It is all rubbish of course, no one is perfect but if you were so awful then any man of integrity as he likes to see himself! would have talked to you and you would have worked it out together. But he didn't do that. He snuck around behind your back with his mistress, then decided to throw a hand grenade into the heart of your family, and has now gone off for a life with a much younger woman with clear daddy issues!, a very very weird dynamic with her age/being his superior at work, and a five year old to annoy him daily to boot! Lets hope that poor damaged child gives him hell. He'll come to understand the phrase be careful what you wish for! And I can only imagine the gossip at their workplace. Even if you were that way inclined, you wouldn't have to do a thing to tarnish his reputation, he's done all himself already, and of course you are entitled to tell anyone and everyone how appallingly you've been thrown over if you want and need to.

In these early days, you need to get it into your head as quickly and firmly as possible that he is not your friend, has no loyalty to you at all and will just lie if you put him on the spot aka very reasonably require some sort of explanation from him. I just wouldn't talk to him about anything other than child arrangements if I were you. He has put you and the family into a separate compartment in his head, and now everything he says he has probably just made up there and then, but you will be inclined to take him at his word, in particular criticisms of you and what he wishes (only now) could have been different and then it will just eat you up. This is definitely no longer the man you married and you need to really really know that in your heart as well as your head.

You do know you have his best years and an awful lot of them? Perhaps he is starting to go a bit bald now. You and he have all the history, first love, first times, the joys and innocence of youth? The memories of him with hair!, the children together without the baggage of earlier families vying for attention and time. She, and the ones that will surely come after her when she's bored of him being so old and tired!, will never have that long history. He'll carry a lot of baggage around for the rest of his life into every new relationship. [NB - Don't feel sorry for him he doesn't want it or deserve it.] His character has changed in a fundamental way for whatever reason, and the old him that you knew and loved just does not exist any more. It is as if an alien has taken his place and is wandering around looking just like him but is as detached and cold as ice. The man he was, is gone and will never return, I'm sorry, even if the new alien version of himself temporarily changes his mind in two or three months, (which is the usual time for that scenario to play out I believe).

I advise you to keep a diary and write down everything you feel every day. Your mind plays tricks on you and even years on, something small could potentially jump out at you and momentarily set you back. Grief, for emotionally that is what you are dealing with here, goes in cycles with many repetitive phases of one step forward, one step back before you arrive at full acceptance. Which you will one day. Re-reading your diary will distance you from the despair you might be momentarily feeling, and help you remember and reinforce positive ways of thinking and viewpoints which have helped you before, so speeding this process up.

I wish I had found Mumsnet in those days after it happened to me, no explanation, ExH just upped one day and left. I constantly thought it must be me, my fault, and my mind would torture itself going round and round and round - if ONLY I had done blah, reacted differently to blah etc etc. (Actually, you'd probably just do the same again in the same historical circumstances, but this sort of shocking abandonment leads directly to your developing the equally shocking behaviour of a doormat if you were ever to accept him back again. No one, especially him, more importantly you, respects a doormat.) You need to be able to read your diary looking back at better days when you were writing in a more positive frame of mind. It will help pave the building blocks that slowly lead to your recovery. You WILL RECOVER my lovely, I promise you that. I'm not going to say how this situation is 'all so positive' and how 'everything happens for a reason' etc etc - god how I hated that when all I wanted and all I could see was what I'd lost and couldn't have.

As time goes by you look back at the relationship with clearer eyes and you'll start to remember things you may well have suppressed at the time. That is what happened to me after a few months - when he left I couldn't peel myself off the floor with the shock of it all as I'd thought we were so happy. I'd 'forgotten' that he'd been weird, snappy and distant for a year or so, it was just one of those things and would all work out in the passage of time, I thought; these things happen in a long marriage. So immediately after he left, I felt that if a large truck were to have been coming down the road when I was crossing, that I wouldn't have been in any particular hurry to get out of the way, and almost wished that something like that would happen to make that all consuming pain disappear... But I would never have proactively done anything to myself; like you, I had kids - although they lost their mother for a long time. I'd disappeared into myself and was a soggy crying heap whose idea of looking after myself by remembering to eat a laughably small amount of food even once a day was a joke that would have been lost on me at the time. I'll be honest, I still love him now, 8 years on, but not in the same way, and it is more a testament to my good character than his! With time it came back to me that he'd stolen a large portion of the family money I had inherited in a really underhand and sneaky way, taking advantage of my online ineptitude. After I'd discovered this betrayal about 7 years before he left, I'd suppressed it, he'd minimised it and I never told a soul at the time out of 'loyalty' to him. It was only a few months after he left that I even remembered that incident! There will be things like that for you, and it is a pretty handy thing to remember when I might forget that really, I dodged a bullet. So if that truck had happened to come by it would have been a disaster and a complete waste, as he so, so wasn't worth it. No man is, especially one who would do to you what your husband has done.

Time will detach you from him. It just isn't possible for the human psyche to go on feeling the level of pain you are now feeling, constantly. It will take some working on, to avoid the traps I have mentioned, where your own mind will be working against you, but you can do it and you will get there, and then your joy will be your lovely children which is actually a much better and more fulfilling kind of love. Men are replaceable, children aren't. I'll stop going on now, but I hope some of what I have said will give you hope.

criminallyinsane · 06/05/2021 12:35

God that was long, sorry! x

UpTheJunktion · 06/05/2021 12:36

Well done for going to the GP, and I hope the ADs help - be prepared to feel spacey and weird for a couple of days while your brain gets used to them.

Also great that you got your lash tint.

It isn't wrong or mad to feel that. Rejection is horrible and even if you didn't want him back, because of the betrayal, it feels good to be unrejected. And as you said before, however much you hate what he has done, and hurt because of it, that goes alongside all the good things that you had and still want. You can't just turn a switch and cancel all that.

But despite all the horrible things he has said to you, it really does sound as if this is 'him not you'.. Mid life, you got together so young, in his mid-life ego crisis he has let his head be turned. There is nothing 'wrong' with you.

Hold you head up high, look after yourself - eat healthy food, get out for brisk walks, work off your anger, frustration and rage - exercise keeps your endorphins up. Put on loud music and dance if you can't face another walk in the cold.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 06/05/2021 13:02

It gets easier OP, my cowardly exH of 20 years just left then totally ghosted me, we'd been holding hands down the road a few days before.
We had spectacular experiences together during our marriage and I was looking forward to retiring somewhere nice and continuing our life together.
Turns out there was an OW naturally.
I couldn't believe he dumped out comfortable life and everything we'd shared for someone he is no longer with.
He also has nothing as the house was mine and he was so madly in love at the time he signed the clean break order taking nothing.
Now he lives in a shitty bedsit up north.
Its taken me three years to get over it fully but even now I miss the future we were going to have together, family events, holidays and I'm still bloody angry about the whole thing. Its feels like he's cut the end of my life and my retirement off.
You look back at old photos and all those years suddenly seem such a waste. Its just so unfair.
I'm having counselling as I realise I MUST move on and I think anyone ending a long marriage should do the same - I think it's actually very hard to find closure without that.
I wish you all the best Flowers

criminallyinsane · 06/05/2021 13:11

Me again... Just reread my post and to clarify I don't mean to make wild accusations that your husband will have stolen your money!, just that there will be things you will now start to view very differently without your love goggles on.

Glad you're doing things like getting lash tints, and the Divorce Diet is fab isn't it!

But as for your idea of holding on to hope, in the gentlest possible way, I really wouldn't. I understand completely that this is the one thing that prevents you from harming yourself. But you would be compromising hugely, he does not deserve your love, and hope will just hold your recovery back. Sorry to say that he'll happily let you believe that he might change his mind, but he is being entirely self serving keeping his options open. You would only be second best as he would only come back to you if it doesn't work out with her.

The only way a relationship could work out between the two of you as a viable long term option would be when YOU don't want HIM any more because the reality is that he has ruined everything and no amount of wishing otherwise can change that. x

Californiansunsets · 06/05/2021 14:57

Shehasadiamondinthesky I hope he has a shitty life, however, he has a good job so I doubt he will be in a shitty bedsit. I can’t complain, I have a lovely home, will only have a small mortgage and loads of equity. He doesn’t have any friends though so goodness knows who he will “hang out with”. Maybe he thinks he will just hang out with OW and her friends and their partners/husbands. He is going to look like old Father Time with them.

criminallyinsane thank you for your kind words. DH is actually a good looking man and still has a full head of hair. He does get lots of attention when out, everyone comments on it. I always felt insignificant when I was with him.
As far as I know his work colleagues know nothing about them. They will try to keep that as quiet as possible. She has applied for another job so she might move, but if it comes out they are a couple later down the line, I think everyone will know something happened as they work away together. I haven’t told anyone in his work and I won’t do that as that would make me as nasty as him and her, and I’m better than them.

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Amdone123 · 06/05/2021 17:32

@criminallyinsane, I bet you're a brilliant friend. What a star you are.

Ardvark111 · 06/05/2021 17:40

@californiansunsets I can see your hurt in your words, can I offer you 2 quotes, * when your going through hell KEEP GOING,!! When you hit rock bottom theres only 1 way left to go . ^^ those words helped me continue but in different circumstances to yours.!! We are coming out of lockdown and summer will be here soon so think of your life as a blank canvas now n design your future n get out of the house and have fun,!! Good luck x

Californiansunsets · 06/05/2021 18:43

Thank you Ardvark111 I would love a night out with my friends so hopefully that will happen soon.

He was at the house earlier, he had to pick up a large item for me as I couldn’t get it in my car. He could hardly look at me, he couldn’t wait to get away, he was so uncomfortable.

My mother in law called me this afternoon to see how I got on at the doctors, he had just left when she called, I told her how he was when he was here. She is so disappointed in him, doesn’t know what he is thinking of or where his head is at. As she said “he is showing his true colours now” his own mum is disgusted with him.

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sunrayscome · 07/05/2021 10:06

He won't be able to look at you as he is guilty for what he has done.
You are doing really well - it will be a roller coaster of emotions for you. I am nearly 50 and my ex has recently left me for his office manager who is 15 years younger. They look ridiculous together - he looks like her father and is closer in age to her mother! So I am going through the emotions you mention too. Some days are tough others I feel elated that he is out of my life. We bump into each other a lot and he looks the other way - it is very hurtful

Amdone123 · 07/05/2021 10:26

@sunrayscome, look after yourself. Like the op, you are only young, and once you get through this pain barrier, the world is your oyster.

Californiansunsets · 07/05/2021 11:09

I want to send him a message, I want to send him a quote I found about cheating husbands but I'm trying really hard not to. This morning I hate him so much. He is nothing but a coward

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Californiansunsets · 07/05/2021 11:12

sunrayscome sending you hugs. This is a horrible time isn't it. I am constantly wondering where did I go wrong? What have I done to deserve this kind of treatment, but when I ask him he wont/can't say.

I hope he has a time of misery with her, i really do, then I feel bad for thinking like that.
I really do hope I soar very high and he realises what a mistake he has made. I hope your husband realises that too xx

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sunrayscome · 07/05/2021 11:38

@Californiansunsets
I have been tempted to send messages too but silence and dignity speaks volumes. I can't help feeling I have been traded in for a younger woman and constantly questioning what I did wrong - I am the loyalist kindest person anyone could be with. When he is 60 she will be 45 - she has had two marriages with older men already.
You will never get an honest explanation from him.
Like you I have thoughts of wishing it will be a disaster for him - it is natural to feel like that - what a mess he must be in - she was married with two kids up to a month ago so they will have a divorce to sort, property, contact with kids, money worries etc - I did not have any kids with him/property so no ties - no need to have any contact with him.
Sending you hugs too

sunrayscome · 07/05/2021 11:49

Post the quotes on here instead x

criminallyinsane · 07/05/2021 11:50

I'm sorry. I can see that making lighthearted comments about his having hair or not was a bit soon for you... Flowers

That aside, he could be voted most sexy man in the Northern Hemisphere but he is most definitely not a prize. From what you say, your self-esteem has been horribly eroded over the years by your experiences of being out and about with him and comparing yourself unfavourably. Very bad thinking, we need to put a stop to that right away! He should have made you feel better about yourself! That was a vital requirement on his job description and it's not exactly difficult. What sort of man allows his loving and devoted long term partner to think so highly of his looks at the expense of her own? Not one I'd ever want to hook up with one of my daughters!

You will (and you must) slowly start to question his behaviours and hopefully time will start to help you deal with regarding him as some sort of demi-God and start to see him for who he has really become. This kind of thinking is the effect of the trauma bonding I alluded to in my very long earlier post. Because of, and following his abandonment of you, your mind would still want him above all others even if he had had a face transplant with Mickey Mouse, because his leaving has changed you very fundamentally too. You would want to "save him". Well stuff that. He is just another flawed imperfect human being (as we all are) who unfortunately and in a very cruel manner proved he just wasn't good enough for you in the end. All you can expect from now on is to have your breath taken away by his selfishness.

You are free now. Please try to see it like that. And when you are getting your beauty treatments, remember that you are doing it for you, because he has lost the right to judge you. You have no influence any more so repeating behaviours he has always liked will effect no changes in him. He has rewritten history, and who you are, and the painful fact is that he will be thinking about you as infrequently as possible as the knowledge of what he has done will make him deeply uncomfortable. Well, until he can convince himself fully of his alternative version of the truth. But you were there in that marriage too, and you know the real truth as you lived through it with him. And whatever distorted drivel may leak out of his mouth from now on, he can't take that away from you. There is no longer a connection between you, nothing you do will impress him so don't even try. So! You no longer need to behave as he would expect you to behave, you aren't a wife, Flowers you're YOU again, so take yourself back and hopefully soon you will be sticking two fingers up at his pompous standards which are likely to reveal themselves more and more. I can see glimpses of that when you said he likes to see himself as a man of integrity... Men of integrity don't abandon those that love them. And for what it's worth I don't think that his work finding out that he's left you for the OW is nasty? I'm not saying you should tell them, but hypothetically it would be just a factual reporting of actions he has chosen to take. It might be seen as nasty if you had some kind of duty of loyalty to him. But he clearly has none for you and you need to stop feeling any need to protect him.

Whatever his looks are like, as regards his new relationship, he is still a whole 15 years her senior, and effectively starting out with a very young child which will be a strain. He'll feel ready for retirement long before she does and will struggle with her being at a very different stage of her life. What is actually inside the shell of him is what matters. Please don't get too hung up on his looks, they are actually quite irrelevant apart from the fact that he is vain enough to have his head turned by a younger model and throw everything you'd built together out of the window. That is what defines who he is. And he knows it, so again, try not to be hurt by his inability to look you in the eye. That is pure guilt as seeing you reminds him how completely shitty he has been to the ones he is supposed to love the most. Would you ever in a million years have done that to him? No! You might one day have decided to end it but not without going through the long process of communicating with him first.

However differently you each regard your physical selves, only one of you can look themselves in the mirror now. You are so so much better than him. He has left because of his own (predictable midlife) issues and it is not your fault. You need to get your head around that one day at a time, but one day you'll see that.

Sorry if some of this is repetitive, dont have time to edit it properly!

@Amdone123 - thank you very much, I'll take that! Smile Flowers

Californiansunsets · 07/05/2021 12:29

criminallyinsane I need you here with me telling me this every day.

This actually isn’t thethe first time he has cheated on me, He cheated on me 14 years ago, who knows maybe he has cheated on me other times too?

I haven’t cried today, but my goodness the anger is building up and up.

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