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It’s me again with the critical John Lewis obsessed parents who mean well

493 replies

TooStressyTooMessy · 20/04/2021 13:01

Hi all,

I have posted about this before (pre-Covid) under a slightly different username.

I have two DDs, age 8 and 10. Married to DH and we have been together forever (to be clear he is the father of DDs).

I used to have a great (or so I thought) relationship with my parents until I had children. They mean well and absolutely adore our DDs. HOWEVER, I find being with them incredibly stressful. They live a few hours away so are not really involved in our day-to-day lives although we speak on the phone.

They very much want to be ‘fun’ grandparents and this is where the problems start. They think we are too strict, especially DH. They do not like any kind of discipline at all, eg if we told them to use a knife and fork at the table, not to rub off from the table, asked them to help us tidy their rooms, then my parents would view that as too strict. They do not like the children to cry or be sad when they visit or we visit them. I suppose they are Disney grandparents. That would be fine, that is the joy of being grandparents. Except if we tell the kids off for anything at all then my parents eye roll, tut, and often have to go and have a lie down because they get so upset to see a child upset. I really wish I was joking. We can never play a board game or anything like that with them as they become sad if DC lose and get upset.

I am absolutely not too strict and neither is DH although he is stricter than me. I have really struggled with discipline and did a parenting course when they were younger where I was told in no uncertain tones that I needed to be stricter. So I am by no means an ogre.

Basically they hate DH (loved him pre kids), think I am too strict and not capable of parenting, and think the children are growing up in a terrible environment. There is NO abuse. They really just do seem to think that setting boundaries and parenting, eg telling a child it is bedtime and asking them to turn off the telly, asking them not to run off in a busy street (ore-Covid) is cruel.

I got lots of advice on here and actually eventually stood up to them. Told them I was an adult, DH and I are the parents not them. We saw them one more time which was tense but ok and then Covid came.

Of course Covid itself has been truly horrific. But not having to see my parents has been wonderful BlushSad.

They are coming up for a weekend in May when overnight stays are allowed. I am dreading it. I am already stressed and nagging DH to fix some stuff around the house which needs to be done before they come. I times my Dad one visit and it took him seconds to criticise something from walking in. So DH and I are arguing about it which is the usual way of things and makes me stressed before I have even seen them. He is also upset as it is obvious they do not like him.

They have already suggested us going to the nearest City for a John Lewis shopping trip. I have said no and my mum was surprised and disappointed. I have already said repeatedly that a busy town centre is not a relaxing environment when they will then want to take DDs in and be surprised they want to buy everything in sight. Let alone with the Covid situation - it is not a fun experience! They live not too far from London and can easily go to John Lewis there so I am not depriving them!

I realise this is an opportunity to move forward. It has been over a year since we saw them. I am desperate not to go back to feeling like a child desperate for their approval and them making it clear they think we are bad parents. They are not involved in my parenting usually so why do I feel on show so much when they do come?

TLDR: any tips on moving forward with a more adult relationship with my parents after the natural break of lockdown.

OP posts:
TooStressyTooMessy · 24/04/2021 17:30

Honestly I think he was rude but then feared that I myself was being rude by saying that so I backtracked Blush.

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AnotherEmma · 24/04/2021 17:34

In your posts, there's a lot of "I know I'm being unreasonable but..." and to be honest I'm not convinced that you do know you're being unreasonable.

RandomMess · 24/04/2021 17:37

Your internal dialogue/rule is that "I am not permitted to EVER speak up against my elders, my role is to do everything in my power to keep them happy and pleased with me however ridiculous their demands are"

It's so ingrained in you. I'm not sure you are yet able to admit to yourself that this is the case.

What could you parents do that you would actually cut them off?

What would they have to do/say before you said "No" to them?

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 24/04/2021 17:39

@TooStressyTooMessy the way you behave around your parents and the way they undermine you and sideline /bitch about your DH is spookily reminiscent of my relationship with my mother.
I would never have dared to say that kind of thing to my mother and if I had, all hell would have broken loose, involving huge strops and taking to her bed for days and muttering darkly about feeling suicidal. I would have run around desperately trying to smooth things over and all the while feeling this terrible panic that she was right about me and that I was a terrible disappointment and failure. And just this terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach for invoking her displeasure. Any of that sound familiar?
But the truth was, none of how I was raising my kids was her business. I am not the best parent in the world but I am a perfectly good one.
It wasn't her place to impose her opinion on me.
Feeling you that your parents have the right to criticise and belittle your perfectly good parenting and treat their son in law like shit but that you can't ever make any criticism of them or even ask them simply not to criticise IS NOT HEALTHY.

TooStressyTooMessy · 24/04/2021 17:42

OrangeBlossoms yes. Totally and completely familiar.

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 24/04/2021 17:44

I think what will happen is that you will try to assert a very small boundary. They will be outraged by this and behave even worse. At some point the scales will fall and you will see it for what it is. The danger is that you don't see it until your DH has just had a belly full or gets fed up with you going along with his in laws treating him like shit in his own home.
When you grow up and move away and have kids it's normal for them to come first and your parents to fit in with you. Your parents expect still to be the centre of your life. They can't be. There will come a point where you have to choose. If you don't want to choose your husband and kids then why did you ever bother leaving home and having a family?

TooStressyTooMessy · 24/04/2021 17:46

Hopefully the scales will fall yes. I really am going now so thanks everyone.

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 24/04/2021 17:50

@TooStressyTooMessy

OrangeBlossoms yes. Totally and completely familiar.
I really really feel for you. And I do understand that primal terror. But that's what it is, emotional terrorism. You aren't responsible for their happiness. You don't believe that yet. So you're still desperate to find a way to solve this without any confrontation. And by confrontation I don't even mean what most people think about that word, I mean ANY hint of not appeasing them at all costs.
RandomMess · 24/04/2021 17:56

A good therapist will help you massively.

I hope you can talk it through properly with your DH and you find a way he can support you through it.

Look after yourself. Remind yourself that you are a good parent and have a done great job and your parents are the ones being unreasonable.

Thanks
KatherineSiena · 24/04/2021 18:05

I do hope you’ll continue to post as you are getting such wise advice from those who truly understand. I thankfully haven’t suffered at the hands of such parents but I’d like to just comment on your own parenting.

You clearly see the damage having a limited childhood does; you say that yours and your DB’s was not adventurous and you were prevented from doing activities. You have broken that familial chain at least when your DPs aren’t around. You encourage your DC to take risks, bike ride, do activities. This is all healthy and normal. Many children will emerge from their childhood with an occasional bump, bruise and even a breakage. They might even have a filling (shock horror). This doesn’t make you a bad parent, quite the reverse. Having rules and boundaries will make them polite and well behaved in public. These are the things that you are instilling and you should continue to do so in the presence of your DPs. Trust in yourself and your DH and allow yourselves to parent as you do instinctively all the time. Good luck 💐

Asurvivor · 24/04/2021 18:53

I think you are still hoping that your parents will change - and not accepting this is who they are - and not fully accepting it is you who has to change if you want things to improve. Talking to them, explaining again how you feel and hoping they will change won’t work imo. I have found with my parents works is you deciding on things should be and setting boundaries for them.

Cavagirl · 24/04/2021 19:13

Hey OP
Fully understand your decision to step back from the thread.
However please don't step back from continuting to explore your childhood, your relationship with your parents and how that plays out in your relationships with your DC and DH. That means some quality therapy, really.
The temptation is to avoid and run away because it's incredibly uncomfortable and difficult.
But so many people on this thread aren't wrong - your current relationship with your parents is unhealthy and damaging to your marriage and to your DC. And to protect your DC and your marriage you need to commit to tackling it.
Don't be on here in 5 years with regret that you didn't take your chance to fix things.
Good luck Flowers

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 25/04/2021 06:05

Good luck op.

Rome wasn't built in a day- you've had a lifetime of their conditioning so it's going to take a while to unpick. It's also going to challenge you.

Be strong. Talk to a therapist. Talk to your DH. Keep reading the advice on this thread and come back to it if you need support.

Maybe let us know how the weekend visit with them goes?

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 25/04/2021 06:06

And yes, I do think you need to accept your parents won't change. Only you can change your reaction to them. Good luck x

timeisnotaline · 25/04/2021 12:22

@TooStressyTooMessy

Ok, I wasn’t going to reply again on here (but have read the further posts and all useful) but...

GabsAlot, my immediate thoughts on that were that your DF was incredibly rude to say that to your grandad and appalling to threaten him with not seeing you. If I had been your DF my reaction would have been to instead decide they telling my kids off in front of him was not a thing I could / should do. I would immediately resolve not to tell you off in front of your grandad and find a workaround (eg try to tell you off out of earshot later, let the behaviour go, try to think of ways to avoid getting into that situation again).

Is that just showing that my reactions are screwed? I would always try to minimise conflict and would never invite it like that.

My mil would say oh now they’ve been good most of the day don’t you think they deserve a chocolate. I’d say I said no chocolate if they didn’t do x and they haven’t done x.

This would be completely non confrontational, it’s not an argument because my children my rules. There’s nothing to argue about. I wouldn’t accept any of our parents thinking any different and they’d know that.

timeisnotaline · 25/04/2021 12:30

What I mean to say by this is yes your reaction is totally off. Your instinct is to hide and apologise for your parenting. Those children of yours only have two parents- you and your dh. If you won’t parent them that’s pretty unfair to them.

GabsAlot · 27/04/2021 12:24

@TooStressyTooMessy

Ok, I wasn’t going to reply again on here (but have read the further posts and all useful) but...

GabsAlot, my immediate thoughts on that were that your DF was incredibly rude to say that to your grandad and appalling to threaten him with not seeing you. If I had been your DF my reaction would have been to instead decide they telling my kids off in front of him was not a thing I could / should do. I would immediately resolve not to tell you off in front of your grandad and find a workaround (eg try to tell you off out of earshot later, let the behaviour go, try to think of ways to avoid getting into that situation again).

Is that just showing that my reactions are screwed? I would always try to minimise conflict and would never invite it like that.

It wasn't about guts it was about undermining him. I was being naughty he told me off grandad didn't like it I was favourite he was protective. It worked he never said another word about it and everything was fine. You're scare d stiff of your parents and your kids know it
RandomMess · 23/05/2021 18:39

@TooStressyTooMessy I was just wondering how you are and if you've managed to shift your feelings etc?

Thanks
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