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It’s me again with the critical John Lewis obsessed parents who mean well

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TooStressyTooMessy · 20/04/2021 13:01

Hi all,

I have posted about this before (pre-Covid) under a slightly different username.

I have two DDs, age 8 and 10. Married to DH and we have been together forever (to be clear he is the father of DDs).

I used to have a great (or so I thought) relationship with my parents until I had children. They mean well and absolutely adore our DDs. HOWEVER, I find being with them incredibly stressful. They live a few hours away so are not really involved in our day-to-day lives although we speak on the phone.

They very much want to be ‘fun’ grandparents and this is where the problems start. They think we are too strict, especially DH. They do not like any kind of discipline at all, eg if we told them to use a knife and fork at the table, not to rub off from the table, asked them to help us tidy their rooms, then my parents would view that as too strict. They do not like the children to cry or be sad when they visit or we visit them. I suppose they are Disney grandparents. That would be fine, that is the joy of being grandparents. Except if we tell the kids off for anything at all then my parents eye roll, tut, and often have to go and have a lie down because they get so upset to see a child upset. I really wish I was joking. We can never play a board game or anything like that with them as they become sad if DC lose and get upset.

I am absolutely not too strict and neither is DH although he is stricter than me. I have really struggled with discipline and did a parenting course when they were younger where I was told in no uncertain tones that I needed to be stricter. So I am by no means an ogre.

Basically they hate DH (loved him pre kids), think I am too strict and not capable of parenting, and think the children are growing up in a terrible environment. There is NO abuse. They really just do seem to think that setting boundaries and parenting, eg telling a child it is bedtime and asking them to turn off the telly, asking them not to run off in a busy street (ore-Covid) is cruel.

I got lots of advice on here and actually eventually stood up to them. Told them I was an adult, DH and I are the parents not them. We saw them one more time which was tense but ok and then Covid came.

Of course Covid itself has been truly horrific. But not having to see my parents has been wonderful BlushSad.

They are coming up for a weekend in May when overnight stays are allowed. I am dreading it. I am already stressed and nagging DH to fix some stuff around the house which needs to be done before they come. I times my Dad one visit and it took him seconds to criticise something from walking in. So DH and I are arguing about it which is the usual way of things and makes me stressed before I have even seen them. He is also upset as it is obvious they do not like him.

They have already suggested us going to the nearest City for a John Lewis shopping trip. I have said no and my mum was surprised and disappointed. I have already said repeatedly that a busy town centre is not a relaxing environment when they will then want to take DDs in and be surprised they want to buy everything in sight. Let alone with the Covid situation - it is not a fun experience! They live not too far from London and can easily go to John Lewis there so I am not depriving them!

I realise this is an opportunity to move forward. It has been over a year since we saw them. I am desperate not to go back to feeling like a child desperate for their approval and them making it clear they think we are bad parents. They are not involved in my parenting usually so why do I feel on show so much when they do come?

TLDR: any tips on moving forward with a more adult relationship with my parents after the natural break of lockdown.

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 14:44

I think they don't really see you as a person in your own right at all.

123344user · 23/04/2021 14:51

why would you actually choose to spend your life finding fault with others?

Good stock phrase here.

My Dad was a bit like this. I remember him on the phone to me grumbling about something crashingly stupid his grandchild had done (spoiler: 17 and a boy - 17 year old boys do stupid things! This is normal! It was stupid but it was teenage carelessness, not malice)
...
And I thought, he never ever says anything positive about the poor lad, and he's his grandad, he should love him.

So I calmly said,
"You know, you don't seem to have anything nice to say about him ever. It comes over as though you don't really like him...I'm sure you don't want him to feel that you don't love him, that you're not proud of him"
He didn't really reply, but went quiet, and we spoke about something else.

Does your workplace have an employee assistance program or soft skills training? Because this is the sort of thing assertiveness training is good for.
Being able to distinguish "having different rules and views" from "conflict". They are not the same thing!

Comtesse · 23/04/2021 15:07

Compassion based CBT was good at breaking the behaviour down for me. Also someone who specialises in attachment theory can be good at understanding what is going on with your parents.

My experience is - you spend the first 20 years of your life being a good girl and the next 20 years trying to unlearn all those behaviours Flowers

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 15:14

My experience is - you spend the first 20 years of your life being a good girl and the next 20 years trying to unlearn all those behaviours Well I am 40 now so maybe it’s time for a new chapter Smile.

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Cavagirl · 23/04/2021 15:15

I wonder then if they still view me as a child so completely that they think I do no active parenting / discipline (by which I mean things like you said like running off in restaurants) and so my DH does it all and they view him as the big scary man who does all the discipline, which makes them hate him, and me as their little girl still.

Does it matter? There is no way you will be able to change how they see you, it's too ingrained. Don't be tempted to think "aha, perhaps if I could convince them then that I'm not a little girl anymore they'd behave differently". Don't fall into the trap of trying to change what they think of you or trying to change how they behave. You cannot control that. You control your response to it and what you are and aren't prepared to accept.

This realisation is hugely uncomfortable as it means accepting their disapproval and ceasing all attempts to win their approval, and that's how your entire relationship has been defined up to now. But you can do it!

Cavagirl · 23/04/2021 15:16

OP out of curiosity have they ever met your PiL? How did that go?

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 15:17

Don't fall into the trap of trying to change what they think of you or trying to change how they behave. You cannot control that. You control your response to it and what you are and aren't prepared to accept.

This realisation is hugely uncomfortable as it means accepting their disapproval and ceasing all attempts to win their approval, and that's how your entire relationship has been defined up to now.
^^This

It's haaaard. But you can do it and the weight that you will feel lift when you get there will be incredible.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 15:19

They have met PIL a few times and speak on the phone to say Happy Christmas etc. It’s fine, polite but a bit awkward on both sides. They find them hard to read and I don’t think they really like them. They feel threatened I think. My PIL have an incredibly strong marriage (stronger than mine!) and are very happy in each other’s company. My parents are much less so. My parents actually say they don’t find them very friendly or welcoming. Ha!

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SingToTheSky · 23/04/2021 15:20

They seem like masters of projection!

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 15:23

My mum was exactly like this with my PIL. Jealous of them, critical of them.

Mawi · 23/04/2021 15:27

@TooStressyTooMessy

Mawi, I almost cannot believe how similar the dynamic you describe is. That is my life and my childhood right there as your DH. I wonder then if they still view me as a child so completely that they think I do no active parenting / discipline (by which I mean things like you said like running off in restaurants) and so my DH does it all and they view him as the big scary man who does all the discipline, which makes them hate him, and me as their little girl still.
They do not see you as a person at all as orange blossom says. You are just an extension of them.

When we do something heinous such as going out for a night it is all my fault because they never left their dc (they have no friends the miserable bastards) to go out and get drunk and laugh and have fun with their friends so it is obviously all my fault that we do these things. The fact that I met their son in a pub which he was in with his friends seems to escape them. I am a terrible influence blah de blah.

They see everything we do different from them as an attack on them, things that have nothing to do with them because they cannot actually believe that their DC have ideas and aspirations and feelings different from theirs.

It took my DH a long time to see it. Personally I would never see them again but because DH wants to maintain contact I see them about 4 times a year for a couple of hours, no more than that as I would blow.

They do not see themselves as bad parents, neither did my DH until I pointed out that he is allowed to be an adult and make decisions without their permission. They think they are brilliant parents because they try to buy love and it worked for a long time but thankfully not with DH anymore.

It's not that they see you as some little girl with big mean bossy husband, it is they want to rule your home as they do not believe you are capable and why would you want anything to be different than what they want and your husband is there with his common sense and rules and overruling them so they don't like him because he can see through them.

Please do not fight with your DH because you are afraid of your parents, this is not his fault. I do double down on rules, no one is allowed to overrule the rules when the in-laws are around because if they see one slip they are in there trying to railroad us into their way. It is exhausting.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 15:32

They see everything we do different from them as an attack on them, things that have nothing to do with them because they cannot actually believe that their DC have ideas and aspirations and feelings different from theirs. Oh yes, totally. My mother really couldn't deal with the fact that I have different interests, things like, I like plants and flowers but I'm not really interesting in gardening. She just cannot comprehend that I have no interest in it because she likes it. And she takes it almost as an affront that I don't.

rogueone · 23/04/2021 15:35

TooStressyTooMessy exactly same dynamic over here. I am blamed for everything as my DH is the golden DS and is untouchable. As where there is anything 'negative' there has to be blame. So easier to blame me as to blame there DS somehow makes them look like they were poor parents. I get blamed for not sending a birthday card to his dad, nothing to do with me, bad presents at xmas is me too supposedly, not seeing them at xmas is my fault. Anything wrong with DC comes from my side of the family...i could go on .. However it is laughable that they think I am so powerful that my DH has zero say or voice in our house and i force his hand

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 15:42

Yes, we encourage sport and exercise and hobbies and they are really concerned this will damage the children. It’s also the opposite of when we were kids. None of that was encouraged.

I am so amazed by all the similar stories.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/04/2021 15:45

These stories are similar because these types of dysfunctional people come from the same rotten mould.

A read of the Out of the FOG website would be enlightening to you and some other posters with similar parents.

Cockenspiel · 23/04/2021 15:58

OP, just rtft, you are basically perpetuating your own misery here, trying to please the un-please-able.

What are you afraid of? If you tell your parents no, we will just do a day visit, what exactly is going to happen? The sky is not going to fall in.

The story from their last visit with full dramatics in the city centre in front of kids etc.. The way you go mad in the days leading up to a visit..
What more proof do you need that this is damaging and toxic situation fir everyone, especially your children. Don’t you realise that almost all kids say they want to see grandparents - that doesn’t mean it’s right and healthy for them to do so and the more I read about the lengths you’ve gone to and continue to go to, in order to facilitate your truly toxic parents, the more astounded I am.

You need to get yourself out of this fog as you are actually in danger of being the bad parent you’re so worried about being, due to allowing this circus to continue.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 16:21

What I’m afraid of is upsetting the kids. There is just no way I can tell them that after a pandemic where they have basically had a year of shitness I am now going to cut short the time with their grandparents who they love. I think that is just cruel to my kids and am not at all convinced it is beneficial to them. I agree with everything else everyone else has said but I think here I need to just stop being so pathetic, take all your other advice and deal with my parents for the overnight stay. I can’t take that away from my children after the shitstorm that has been 2020/21.

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Cavagirl · 23/04/2021 16:32

OP, is your DH of the same view as you about your DC's relationship with your parents?
Would be say they utterly adored them and would totally devastated if the overnight stay was cancelled?
Would he say that it is cruel to switch the overnight stay to a day visit, from the perspective of the DC?
(Actual questions here, these aren't rhetorical)

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 16:52

I see what you mean about the kids but I also think you are projecting when it comes to them. I think you are far more scared of upsetting your parents.
If your children will be devastated by a day visit as opposed to overnight then there is some weird, seriously unhealthy dynamics there.

RandomMess · 23/04/2021 17:00

Why do you think your kids being disappointed is the end of the world?

You could handle day meet ups more frequently? Or propose your DP have them for the weekend?

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 17:06

Disappointing them by saying no to a request for sweets or a new toy etc? Absolutely not the end of the world.

Disappointing them by saying they will be spending only half the time they expected with grandparents in the context of having not seen them for over a year due to a global pandemic? Yes I think that is pretty bad abs not the same as cutting a visit short in normal times.

I actually am not sure what DH would say. Will ask him tonight!

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Immunetypegoblin · 23/04/2021 17:10

OP, you seem desperate to avoid either your parents or your DC being unhappy. I feel like the only person whose happiness you don't feel responsible for is your DH's, and so that can go hang. I do understand the hideousness of having unhappy children; I REALLY struggle with mine being unhappy even when they need to be. However, I've found that I need to ask myself why exactly I find their sadness so hard to cope with; while doing this I've adopted a 'Yes, it is sad. Yes, I'm sad too' approach with them, and it is remarkable how quickly they deal with their own feelings when I allow them to have them. I don't think my mother allowed me to express sadness ever, and I got subtly punished if I did. Took a long time to sort that out in my head, and it's ongoing (I too am nearly 40).

TLDR: if your girls are sad, let them be sad for a bit. They are actually quite large for DC, they can cope with more than you think.

RandomMess · 23/04/2021 17:19

Can you imagine how much happier they will be having shorter visits but with out the high stress levels, Mum being weird and Dad being angry?

Mawi · 23/04/2021 17:20

So you think about your dcs the same way your parents do. They will be damaged and are fragile and cannot deal with disappointment.

It is perfectly normal for children to feel sad at times because we cannot protect them from everything in life that might make them sad. You are not doing them any favours by not letting them feel, understand and process normal emotions because some day something will happen that you will not be able to protect them from, like a death of someone they love and they will struggle to process really natural emotions.

Our job as parents is to prepare our DC for the world and sadness, anger etc are all part of it.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 17:24

I think DH would say no to more frequent visits, even if they were shorter. He hates them.

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