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It’s me again with the critical John Lewis obsessed parents who mean well

493 replies

TooStressyTooMessy · 20/04/2021 13:01

Hi all,

I have posted about this before (pre-Covid) under a slightly different username.

I have two DDs, age 8 and 10. Married to DH and we have been together forever (to be clear he is the father of DDs).

I used to have a great (or so I thought) relationship with my parents until I had children. They mean well and absolutely adore our DDs. HOWEVER, I find being with them incredibly stressful. They live a few hours away so are not really involved in our day-to-day lives although we speak on the phone.

They very much want to be ‘fun’ grandparents and this is where the problems start. They think we are too strict, especially DH. They do not like any kind of discipline at all, eg if we told them to use a knife and fork at the table, not to rub off from the table, asked them to help us tidy their rooms, then my parents would view that as too strict. They do not like the children to cry or be sad when they visit or we visit them. I suppose they are Disney grandparents. That would be fine, that is the joy of being grandparents. Except if we tell the kids off for anything at all then my parents eye roll, tut, and often have to go and have a lie down because they get so upset to see a child upset. I really wish I was joking. We can never play a board game or anything like that with them as they become sad if DC lose and get upset.

I am absolutely not too strict and neither is DH although he is stricter than me. I have really struggled with discipline and did a parenting course when they were younger where I was told in no uncertain tones that I needed to be stricter. So I am by no means an ogre.

Basically they hate DH (loved him pre kids), think I am too strict and not capable of parenting, and think the children are growing up in a terrible environment. There is NO abuse. They really just do seem to think that setting boundaries and parenting, eg telling a child it is bedtime and asking them to turn off the telly, asking them not to run off in a busy street (ore-Covid) is cruel.

I got lots of advice on here and actually eventually stood up to them. Told them I was an adult, DH and I are the parents not them. We saw them one more time which was tense but ok and then Covid came.

Of course Covid itself has been truly horrific. But not having to see my parents has been wonderful BlushSad.

They are coming up for a weekend in May when overnight stays are allowed. I am dreading it. I am already stressed and nagging DH to fix some stuff around the house which needs to be done before they come. I times my Dad one visit and it took him seconds to criticise something from walking in. So DH and I are arguing about it which is the usual way of things and makes me stressed before I have even seen them. He is also upset as it is obvious they do not like him.

They have already suggested us going to the nearest City for a John Lewis shopping trip. I have said no and my mum was surprised and disappointed. I have already said repeatedly that a busy town centre is not a relaxing environment when they will then want to take DDs in and be surprised they want to buy everything in sight. Let alone with the Covid situation - it is not a fun experience! They live not too far from London and can easily go to John Lewis there so I am not depriving them!

I realise this is an opportunity to move forward. It has been over a year since we saw them. I am desperate not to go back to feeling like a child desperate for their approval and them making it clear they think we are bad parents. They are not involved in my parenting usually so why do I feel on show so much when they do come?

TLDR: any tips on moving forward with a more adult relationship with my parents after the natural break of lockdown.

OP posts:
TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 17:29

Plus even if we got on well I don’t think any of us want to make that sort of drive more than once every couple of months. We could find somewhere half way to meet I guess.

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Cavagirl · 23/04/2021 17:33

I think you need to involve your DH in your thinking here OP. He can help and support you, and he might have a different view about changing up the visits if he understands what you're trying to achieve by doing that.
In saying that, you need to be clear what you're trying to achieve, in the first instance.

RandomMess · 23/04/2021 17:45

They would be meet ups half way!

Visit a museum/NT property with lunch and dinner thrown in.

RandomMess · 23/04/2021 17:45

Any tantrums you can literally get back in the car and go home!

Sunbird24 · 23/04/2021 17:50

@RandomMess

They would be meet ups half way!

Visit a museum/NT property with lunch and dinner thrown in.

This! Or a wildlife park/zoo/anything with activities, which might help you focus less on how your parents are acting and more on having some fun?
RandomMess · 23/04/2021 17:54

You can even stop en route for breakfast!

Honestly one day will be much more manageable. Also being on neutral territory and it being something that your DC will enjoy/engaged in.

Mix56 · 23/04/2021 18:07

You can temper it by having accommodation nearby, so at least you/they go away in the evening & arrive after breakfast.
This is certainly what I do when visiting my SIL. they always try & get us to stay, we refuse. using own bathroom, quiet nights as an excuse.... & then we visit in the day time.
You can send them out to to the park & you stay at home.
Send them to JL & stay at home
They want to see the GC ... Let them, they only want to judge & belittle you.
So its a good compromise.
I doubt your Husbands HATES them, he obviously doesn't like the person you become around them, & can see how dysfunctional the relationship is.

RandomMess · 23/04/2021 18:17

You can tell the DC and DP by not staying over then you don't have to hear their criticism about everything you do 🤷🏽‍♀️

They want to spend time with the DC.

Meeting up for the day half way means you can easily give a warning

"Wind your neck in or we'll be leaving after lunch"

Or perhaps

"If you can't say anything nice don't say it all"

You try and demand your DC are well behaved whilst their grand parents behave like toddlers having tantrums and being incredibly rude.

Monr0e · 23/04/2021 19:09

Definitely do a day with a specific activity.

And say why. Maybe if they behave you could stretch to longer next time

I still don't understand why your dh is so insistent on joining you every time seeing as he hates it so much.

My inlaws moved away a few years ago. DH happily takes the dc's without me around 50% of the time. But really, it's dh and the dc's they want to see so there's no hard feelings if I don't go sometimes.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 19:16

Me neither. I don’t understand why he is so insistent. I tell him and tell him not to come, ask him to go out for the day or to arrange to work when they visit but he gets incredibly insulted and annoyed and says we don’t want him there. We don’t! It’s a nightmare when he is there with my parents.

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RestingPandaFace · 23/04/2021 19:29

@TooStressyTooMessy

Me neither. I don’t understand why he is so insistent. I tell him and tell him not to come, ask him to go out for the day or to arrange to work when they visit but he gets incredibly insulted and annoyed and says we don’t want him there. We don’t! It’s a nightmare when he is there with my parents.
Do you think it might be because he knows how stressed out you get and how much your kids play up, maybe he is worried how bad it would be if he’s not there to be the stricter one?
OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 19:36

Or he knows they bitch about him and doesn't want them pouring poison behind his back. And he knows you are putting them way above him in the pecking order and it is hurtful.
I'd be really hurt if I were him and thought you didn't want me to come.
I'd feel totally excluded from my own family.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 19:37

I am quite surprised that you can't see how hurtful all of this is to your DH really.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 23/04/2021 19:37

I am quite surprised that you can't see how hurtful all of this is to your DH really.

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 19:38

I would be 100x less stressed without being stuck between him and my parents though. Honestly I think he’s the one that acts like a child in that respect. Also he is turning down an absolutely golden opportunity for child free time. I think he feels they are really rude to him and asking him not to come is rider still. I think he finds it hurtful. Me, if someone offered to take my DC out or away for the weekend with the added bonus of dealing with my annoying relatives at the same time, I would jump at it.

But yes, how he feels is exactly how OrangeBlossom puts it. That’s the bit that pushes me over the edge each time. I can manage my DDs because they are children and that is my job. I can manage my parents by keeping quiet except to say what they want to hear. It’s having to manage to keep my DH from losing his temper or making it abundantly clear that he is pissed off that is just too much to handle. I feel he is a competent adult and surely can take responsibility for himself.

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TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 19:40

I can see how hurtful it is to him but equally I can’t see why he doesn’t realise how difficult the situation is for me being stuck in the middle. It feels as if I have 5 children to consider and I cannot manage 5! He feels like a child I have to include at times when I can barely cope as it is. Anyway, this just leads to going round in circles so I have to accept he is hurt and wants to join in so I can’t take him out of the equation.

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Cavagirl · 23/04/2021 19:45

OP I'm going to come back to my earlier question...
What evidence do you have that, if the DC and your DH played their parts as you would have them do, that your parents would behave lovingly and transform themselves into wonderful parents and grandparents and you'd all have a lovely time?

MeridasMum · 23/04/2021 19:47

There is just no way I can tell them that after a pandemic where they have basically had a year of shitness I am now going to cut short the time with their grandparents who they love.

I'm sorry OP but I do think you're projecting here. You've mentioned how devastated your children will be a number of times.

In reality, when children have not had someone in their lives for a year, they get used to that.

Have you been building up the eventual visit in their heads? Have you been reminding them how wonderful it will be when they see gran and grandpa again? If do, please stop.

I struggle to believe your children would be so upset about this. If your parents had died, children of this age would likely have 'recovered' by now.

I think this is your thinking, not theirs
(and I say this as a mum of similar aged children with a narcissistic, controlling mother - just like your parents).

TooStressyTooMessy · 23/04/2021 19:52

Cava well occasionally we have actually seen them without DH and things are a load better. We play our parts and let DC run wild and it is ok.

MeridasMum, my parents have been saying it to them as they speak on the phone. To be fair, saying that ‘it will be great when we can meet up after COVID’ is not exactly an uncommon phrase for anyone to use right now. The visit is hugely built up, they always are (not by me or DH).

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JassyRadlett · 23/04/2021 20:00

It’s having to manage to keep my DH from losing his temper or making it abundantly clear that he is pissed off that is just too much to handle. I feel he is a competent adult and surely can take responsibility for himself.

So stop it. He’s not asking you to take responsibility for him - you’re taking that on even though he doesn’t want you to.

You want him to take responsibility for behaving according to your playbook. That’s not the same thing. He is taking responsibility for himself - you just don’t like what he’s doing with it.

You say how exhausting it is to be caught between him and your parents - so stop. It’s time to pick a team. Whose are you on?

JassyRadlett · 23/04/2021 20:03

Just think about it - your parents are allowed to mutter, insult, cry, storm off in a huff, shout on the street. With zero consequences for their shifty behaviour.

But your husband isn’t supposed to show that he’s irritated or pissed off by their shitty behaviour. How is that ok?

Duggeehugs82 · 23/04/2021 20:34

Reading all of your replies i find it really difficult to get head around u accepting ur parents awful behaviour towards ur husband and being upset with your husband for not putting up with it. I have similar situation with my parents but have special needs child so little different, they didnt accept the diagnosis still not 100% and was very difficult so i just stopped contact with them for a year , it wasnt healthy for me to listen to it, they were super critical, constantly saying what i should be doing, telling me off for things they thought i was doing. Basically i didnt think they felt i was a good enough parent. I told them thats how they make me feel. Its better now but i haven't seen them in over year , we do videocalls , they have my girls for 1 night over few months (she is my sn bubble, i just dont drop girls off) . We will see them just not rushing. I felt i needed their approval, im having councilling and its helped as dont need it now.

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 23/04/2021 20:34

You are starting to go around in circles here.

You've said about going along without your DH and your kids being devastated several times now and have been told the same over and over.

Going without your DH is just reinforcing to your parents that he is the problem as things are marginally better (they have you under their total control).

The kids being devastated- so much is wrong with that. It's been said lots on this thread. But I agree it sounds like projection on your part.

MeridasMum · 23/04/2021 20:39

@TooStressyTooMessy

Cava well occasionally we have actually seen them without DH and things are a load better. We play our parts and let DC run wild and it is ok.

MeridasMum, my parents have been saying it to them as they speak on the phone. To be fair, saying that ‘it will be great when we can meet up after COVID’ is not exactly an uncommon phrase for anyone to use right now. The visit is hugely built up, they always are (not by me or DH).

I understand OP. I didn't mean to sound harsh, although, to be honest, sometimes we need the brutal honesty of strangers.

It was that very honesty of MNers that helped me through when my DM's narcissism reached its peak. This is your thread, not mine, so I won't go into detail, but please believe me:

My mothers 'behaviour' is far from good, however, it's 100 times better since I bit the bullet and told her (eventually) that she had pushed me to my limit and I was on the verge on going no contact; she would not see me nor my children again if she didn't start treating me with respect, stop her narcissistic co-dependant and frankly abusive behaviour.

This shocked her into actually hearing me. She doesn't like it, she doesn't always behave but in general, things are better.

And, just so you know, your DH will only put up with this for so long. If he leaves, they will swoop in and scoop you up and you will be their captive forever. Sounds dramatic but it's true. I'm sorry.

That's all.

Duggeehugs82 · 23/04/2021 20:43

What ive learnt is just because someone is a parent doesnt automatically make them have to be in your life. We have the choice who we have in our life. If someone is very toxic they do not have to be there. I learnt that with my mum. When my daughter was going through diagnosis i also had just given birth to her sister so i had new born and my 2 year old who has autism non verbal and significant learning disability. I had so much going on and my mum just couldnt just be there for me. She was so wrapped up in her issues of not dealing with my daughters disability. That i just couldnt have her in my life at that point. And i learnt that i dont owe it to her to make her be with us as it was making me mentally unwell to have to deal with what she said. So i let go and that was completely ok. And yes i haven't completely cut contact but if someone wants to do that, thats completely ok too.