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Dating Thread 202: Here's hoping the lockdown loneliness and longing eases up soon...

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SpringlikeBunk · 11/04/2021 17:05

Come ye all!

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Onesmallstep67 · 12/04/2021 17:34

@UtterSocks, I think you knew he had difficulty confronting issues as he has been hesitant in his dealings with his ex. It may be her reactions to things that he is concerned about rather than his DC. I can't say for sure but I think he wants something with you, wants to show you the commitment but fears his Ex's reactions. He might have acted first and thought later. I can't see how or why anyone could profess their love and be with you for 7 months, pulling the wool completely over your eyes if it was all just a charade. You are too savvy for that. I know you say that you are not sure you want to message but I think if you show willing then his response, written , verbal or non existent will tell you what you need to know. Your anger came out because he exposed a vulnerability. You had kept your boundaries but allowed him in and at the moment where he lets you down it's understandable to feel angry and frustrated, with him and maybe with yourself. It may be easy for me to say but if there is no word from him later or tomorrow I would be honest about your sadness and frustrations. I hope he does the right thing here.

UtterSocks · 12/04/2021 17:58

Thanks @Onesmallstep67 - it helps to understand why I got angry and that is very insightful. He doesn't really get angry with me - or anyone - which I love after my volatile ex, but it also makes him seem a bit suspect haha. I tend to go for confrontational men, even though I don't like conflict. As in when I scream at people (rarely) I feel guilty for months, then annoyed that they put me in that position when really I could learn to control my temper. I really need to do more meditation!

I hope he does the right thing too. Or at least something.

And @cravingthelook, hope you enjoy your date x

Clovertoast · 12/04/2021 18:48

Ah @UtterSocks I'm so sorry. That sounds so painful. You've been offered amazing advice here as usual, and I agree that I would message him too. You can't begin to understand till he's spoken to you.

In my news Mr P and I had an interesting encounter this weekend and I wanted thoughts please.
We were out in the car, stopped at some lights and there was his exwife and 2 dc. The dc didn't notice but she did.
She still after 15 months doesn't know i exist .
Mr P had his hand on my knee, it was removed and he said " oh fuck ".Confused
He then said " well I guess that will give her something to think about "
He explained he was ruffled as he's always sad that the dc aren't with him and it hurt seeing them, but said he didn't care she saw.
It was none of her business apparently.
Hmm

Eesha · 12/04/2021 18:58

@Clovertoast why are you still secret after 15 months though? It sounds like he didnt want to upset the apple cart just yet but i think i would feel a bit hurt.

UtterSocks · 12/04/2021 19:04

@Clovertoast - she still after 15 months doesn’t know you exist??? How do you feel about that? Do his DC live with her? Do they not know about you either?

That’s like when I stayed at Mr Beard’s (he picked me up and drove me to his) and the next day we were leaving and his ex wife drew up in her car and he practically knocked me flat shoving me into the hall and slamming the door so she could not see me. He said after it was because he thought she may have had his teenage DD in the car but she didn’t and it wasn’t. And for 3 months when I went to his he made me park in the car park of the local co-op and picked me up there. Then I was surprised when I realised he wanted nobody to know about me ever.

What is it with all these men and their secrets?

BelladiMamma · 12/04/2021 19:19

[quote UtterSocks]@Clovertoast - she still after 15 months doesn’t know you exist??? How do you feel about that? Do his DC live with her? Do they not know about you either?

That’s like when I stayed at Mr Beard’s (he picked me up and drove me to his) and the next day we were leaving and his ex wife drew up in her car and he practically knocked me flat shoving me into the hall and slamming the door so she could not see me. He said after it was because he thought she may have had his teenage DD in the car but she didn’t and it wasn’t. And for 3 months when I went to his he made me park in the car park of the local co-op and picked me up there. Then I was surprised when I realised he wanted nobody to know about me ever.

What is it with all these men and their secrets?[/quote]
My ex still feels the need to hide his girlfriend even though they live together in the next village. He has not once mentioned her and the only reason I know about her is because the dc refuse to lie to me, even though he asked them to. How fucking daft is that?

It makes me more angry that he hides her and I do wonder how it must make her feel having to pretend she doesn't exist?!

The house they live in is also in a trust in my name which I am willing to put money in that she doesn't even realise.

Ffs people. Grow up!!

Heartbeats0708 · 12/04/2021 19:40

Sorry to hear that @UtterSocks I didn't expect that of MrG! Wise words as ever on here, particularly interesting to read the thought provoking perspective of one of our resident chaps @HairyArsedMan
Glad to hear you seem to have found a good one @cravingthelook everything crossed for the chemistry on Thursday.
I had the date with Mr Polo. Annoyingly it hasn't got him out if my system at all and he's further under my skin. Communications remain dire but in the flesh is too good to give up. This will end in tears!

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 12/04/2021 21:00

Just mistakenly swiped right on Bumble on an ex iron I absolutely do not want to see again.... he swiped right as well 😟 so embarrassed 🙈

BelladiMamma · 12/04/2021 21:14

@OnwardsEverStridingOnwards

Just mistakenly swiped right on Bumble on an ex iron I absolutely do not want to see again.... he swiped right as well 😟 so embarrassed 🙈
😬 classic
OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 12/04/2021 21:32

@BelladiMamma I know Confused I have unmatched him now but still feel awkward Blush

Clovertoast · 12/04/2021 21:47

@UtterSocks @Eesha nope, she doesn't know I exist.
He says what he does is none of her business and there's no need for her to know until the dc know. Because, they too don't know I exist.
I've never met them.
His youngest is 5 and still gets tearfull about mum and dad being apart so he doesn't want to rock the boat.
We aren't moving in or blending families so I guess realistically there isn't any need for them to know ? That certainly seems to be the concensus on the step parents board!!
However it irks me she doesn't know I must admit

Eesha · 12/04/2021 22:16

@Clovertoast i guess my ex told me about his new partner and she met the children after a year. It depends whether you feel hidden away after such a long time. I probably wouldn't tell my ex but then I've never had anyone long term since. He's right in that why tell his ex if he's not introducing you to the kids anyway

HairyArsedMan · 12/04/2021 22:17

I like what @Onesmallstep67 says there @UtterSocks and would add that he was none the wiser as to what you were sacrificing for him. You say he let you do it, but aren't they things you decided on for yourself borne out of how you felt about him ? It's unfortunate the issue with his daughter came up right away as that triggered a feeling that he wasn't as all in as you. He needs to be a bit canny about that, and prep the kids, let them know he is going to be unavailable for a day or two. He needn't upset them with anything revelatory - could just say he's visiting a friend. Then drip feed information about the friend.

However that's his situation to judge and he may not reach the same conclusions as you, without it having any relation to his feelings towards you. My heartless not-so-darling-son laughs at me when he senses there's another dating flop (I don't talk to him about these things but he's a nosey bugger) but defiantly says he doesn't want his mum to have a boyfriend. There are different dynamics that crop up.

I don't think it's needy if you drop a message apologising for the loss of temper, before going on to say you still have a proper grievance that you want to talk through with him calmly if he wants that.

SpringlikeBunk · 13/04/2021 11:17

Some nice chats coming up on tinder and bumble

Definitely working on connecting with my feelings and being a bit more “emotionally authentic” rather than just trying to score the dates for the sake of it.

Also quite aware of the rule which says the issues “that don’t quite click at the start” tend to be the downfall later on

trying to overlook them because I’m drawn to the person in other ways is where I struggle

(as of course if you meet and connect, and there’s chemistry, then you’re fucked as the issues still don’t go away)

So a very good looking guy who seems a bit too emotionally all over the place - no.

I said to someone “don’t mind a walk but I’m emotionally struggling and spaced out” and he came back with he’s in the same place for Z reason , so no worries about it being too “datey”

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BelladiMamma · 13/04/2021 11:25

@SpringlikeBunk

Some nice chats coming up on tinder and bumble

Definitely working on connecting with my feelings and being a bit more “emotionally authentic” rather than just trying to score the dates for the sake of it.

Also quite aware of the rule which says the issues “that don’t quite click at the start” tend to be the downfall later on

trying to overlook them because I’m drawn to the person in other ways is where I struggle

(as of course if you meet and connect, and there’s chemistry, then you’re fucked as the issues still don’t go away)

So a very good looking guy who seems a bit too emotionally all over the place - no.

I said to someone “don’t mind a walk but I’m emotionally struggling and spaced out” and he came back with he’s in the same place for Z reason , so no worries about it being too “datey”

That sounds really positive. And agreed re boundaries it's easier to say no before you've met them.

I think lots of people are cool with low key get togethers / date zeros at the moment. It's hard to do anything else.

I have walking date with Mr Italian 🇮🇹 this afternoon. I actually need to figure out where the hell he lives. He was talking about remortgaging yesterday I should have asked. He's at his parents at the moment but I think that's because he hasn't seen them for ages. He will get put on the back burner if he doesn't have a stable home situation. No more cocklodgers!

Garden dinner in the pub with Mr Bear 🐻 this Friday. He's having his jab today so I'm hoping he won't be feeling ill on Friday 😞 I was sick as a dog for 2 weeks after mine

SpringlikeBunk · 13/04/2021 11:33

@BelladiMamma

Yes, I find once I'm "in the feelz zone" it's harder to detach?

And the "flaky" or "controlling" or "living situation" issues are easier to overlook once I'm thinking with my heart and fanny rather than my head and then it all goes to shit.....Confused

Good luck with MrItalian this afternoon!

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Invisiblewoman1 · 13/04/2021 12:06

Is this a place for OLD support? I need it!! I don’t know if I should give up right now

SortingItOut · 13/04/2021 12:33

@Invisiblewoman1 It is indeed, welcome to the thread.

OnwardsEverStridingOnwards · 13/04/2021 12:45

@BelladiMamma good luck for your date 🙂 hope you have a great time 🙂😘

UtterSocks · 13/04/2021 12:48

Oh @Heartbeats0708 tell us more about your date with Mr Polo? What next?

Well Mr G messaged me yesterday evening and ended up taking me to the pub (or a freezing beer garden full of drunks where it was impossible to talk so he came back to mine for a mint tea 😂)

He does try so hard with me, and never ever gets angry (which is weird for me with my history of volatile men), so I explained very calmly and slowly and clearly what had upset me. And I just got the same reassurances "no, you had every right to be angry/yes, I understand/you're right/I will resolve it, just not right now/I am listening and I hear what you are saying" etc. So we parted on good terms but it was only afterward that I thought talking to him is the emotional equivalent of eating a pot noodle when really I need a protein-filled home-cooked meal. It is wonderfully comforting and reassuring but essentially empty calories and I'm hungry again half an hour later. We are exactly where we were months ago!

I know this plays into the debate on here about telling exes and kids too, and that we are all different. But I have always disliked it when dates I like a lot treat me like a secret side hustle. I don't want to meet their families or merge lives but it makes me feel like they are ashamed of me and shows quite clearly they don't want a relationship that will ever progress anywhere (unless I don't mind being shoved in a cupboard if their brother unexpectedly pops round for example).

From my POV on the other side, my ex had a new girlfriend within a few months and kept it secret from me and the kids. BUT he was parading her all around where I live and even where the kids' friends worked AND my horrible SIL was going around telling everyone who would listen that he was SO much happier now he had got rid of me and also gloating that I didn't know about new GF. He never even considered our kids (late teens) would find out and look like idiots in front of their friends and I think he and his sister secretly hoped I would find out from someone else and look a fool. My DN tipped me off and I confronted him - with the deceit, not the girlfriend - and gave him a week to tell the kids before I did. She lives with him now and over 2 years on I have never been allowed to meet her even though he has done all he can to ingratiate her with the kids, but that is his doing and I bear her no resentment (pity, yes, but that's her look-out!). But I just felt it was ridiculous and another example of his weird attitude towards me.

On the other hand, I had kept my dating life quiet because a) it was quite random up until now and b) he is the sort of person who calls me a slut and I am worried it will make the divorce settlement even more difficult.

Anyway am wondering now what to do with Mr G. I had looked back on the dating apps and there are a lot of eligible men on OKC. I had 7 messages within hours, 3 of whom look great (handsome, gym fit, professional) - so there is a window of opportunity there, daters. Clearly the ease of lockdown has flushed them all out.

I do really love being with Mr G but actually I am in the same position with him that I was in months ago. It just seemed different as the dramas were dormant with the ex and his kids were there at weekends. Nothing has actually changed, so maybe I have to. I guess he thinks I love him enough to keep being placated and so far I have, but equally I'm thinking an ultimatum is in order - or a return to dating others.

Any advice gratefully accepted as ever, no matter how unpalatable

I hope you are all getting some good dates lined up this weekend while we can go out! (apologies to those in Scotland and Wales and NI).

And @SortingItOut - just accept the wedding invitation and worry about it later! I mean, even if the invitation had said "plus 1" instead of his name, who else would you have taken? (personally I hate weddings so would be looking to book a holiday to avoid one! But that's just me!)

@BelladiMamma - good luck with MrItalian. And @SpringlikeBunk, yes I'm not enjoying the 'feels zone'. Ever. Saw a post on Insta that said "next time I start to fall in love can someone please staple my fanny together because none of us need this bloody drama again" 😂😂😂It has a point!

Invisiblewoman1 · 13/04/2021 12:50

Thank you!! Maybe I should introduce myself...

I am 37, separated 4years ago from my partner of 13 years , one 6 month rel since which was so toxic. He was on 5 joints a day, anger issues, no steady job or home situation. Just terrible. The break up was awful so since then I have tried dating sites but I’ve taken a long to get over it all. My first date after him I was naive and ended in a situation where the guy was able to apply huge pressure for sex, traumatising! But learnt a lot and now I am massively on guard.

I’m on bumble now and struggling. Sooo many boring profiles, guys who have no chat, guys who either disappear when you swap numbers or don’t stop bloody messaging! “Morning” “hey you” “how’s your day?” Arghhh drive me mad!!

Taking to one guy atm who I really bloody like. First time in ages. But I don’t think he is interested as I don’t hear from him often. It is bloody exhausting all this!

BelladiMamma · 13/04/2021 13:07

[quote SpringlikeBunk]@BelladiMamma

Yes, I find once I'm "in the feelz zone" it's harder to detach?

And the "flaky" or "controlling" or "living situation" issues are easier to overlook once I'm thinking with my heart and fanny rather than my head and then it all goes to shit.....Confused

Good luck with MrItalian this afternoon![/quote]
That definitely makes two of us!!!! I've started to wonder if it's part of a pattern but maybe it's just biology pure and simple 😬

BelladiMamma · 13/04/2021 13:10

@Invisiblewoman1

Thank you!! Maybe I should introduce myself...

I am 37, separated 4years ago from my partner of 13 years , one 6 month rel since which was so toxic. He was on 5 joints a day, anger issues, no steady job or home situation. Just terrible. The break up was awful so since then I have tried dating sites but I’ve taken a long to get over it all. My first date after him I was naive and ended in a situation where the guy was able to apply huge pressure for sex, traumatising! But learnt a lot and now I am massively on guard.

I’m on bumble now and struggling. Sooo many boring profiles, guys who have no chat, guys who either disappear when you swap numbers or don’t stop bloody messaging! “Morning” “hey you” “how’s your day?” Arghhh drive me mad!!

Taking to one guy atm who I really bloody like. First time in ages. But I don’t think he is interested as I don’t hear from him often. It is bloody exhausting all this!

Hi and welcome!

Didn't want to read and run xx

SpringlikeBunk · 13/04/2021 13:27

@BelladiMamma and @UtterSocks

Feelz are crap!

I have to message back a nice surgeon (oxymoron maybe Grin but he sounds great?) this afternoon, have an invite from my amazing mate I met on POF for a nice holiday, and plenty of eligible looking matches cropping up on tinder and bumble...as well as my iron MrPM to check in with? I feel gorgeous.

And who am I thinking of all the time?

My fucked up little pal MrMilitary who I've tried to communicate with loads of times and I KNOW is trouble and who does not deal with life in a rational way or for his own emotional wellbeing at all (and of course, by default, mine too).

I mean I can patronise him being older but the interaction is "a crime scene waiting to happen".

We've detached for now, and I KNOW this is best but I still want to make contact.

I think at heart I'm a rescuer wanting a hopeless case!

but I need to turn this rescuing tendency to myself Hmm

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BelladiMamma · 13/04/2021 13:38

[quote SpringlikeBunk]**@BelladiMamma* and @UtterSocks*

Feelz are crap!

I have to message back a nice surgeon (oxymoron maybe Grin but he sounds great?) this afternoon, have an invite from my amazing mate I met on POF for a nice holiday, and plenty of eligible looking matches cropping up on tinder and bumble...as well as my iron MrPM to check in with? I feel gorgeous.

And who am I thinking of all the time?

My fucked up little pal MrMilitary who I've tried to communicate with loads of times and I KNOW is trouble and who does not deal with life in a rational way or for his own emotional wellbeing at all (and of course, by default, mine too).

I mean I can patronise him being older but the interaction is "a crime scene waiting to happen".

We've detached for now, and I KNOW this is best but I still want to make contact.

I think at heart I'm a rescuer wanting a hopeless case!

but I need to turn this rescuing tendency to myself Hmm[/quote]
Turn the rescuing to yourself 💗 I love that. It's taken me a while but I'm ready to do that. Literally coming on this thread was the last piece of the puzzle. It's like AA for hopeless dating cases 🤣

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