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Am I being made a fool of?

335 replies

MoonfacedMilksop · 09/04/2021 18:36

I don’t really have many female friends. I’m pretty shy and awkward but really close to my family and perfectly happy with the way things are. I do have one friend, I’ll call her F, who was my best friend throughout secondary school. I used to be really outgoing and confident but something incredibly traumatic happened to me when I was 15. I wasn’t ostracised or anything at school because of this but no one really knew what to do with me other than to look pityingly at me. The only person that didn’t change was F, she was always great to me and made me feel normal and I’ll always be grateful to her for that.

Over the years we’ve kind of drifted apart. We still see each other for a night out maybe once every 6 weeks or so as we live in the same town but not much contact other than that apart from sending meme’s now and again. Obviously we didn’t see each other at all from Feb last year until a few weeks ago.

A few weeks ago she phoned me up in tears, her landlady needs the house back, she’s been there for years but never had a proper contract and as we live in a holiday destination absolutely everywhere is only renting out to tourists week per week (well, from Monday anyway). She asks if she can stay with me for a few weeks until something comes up. I have been converting an old stable block in my garden for my mum to live in as she’s getting increasingly frail. It’s not got a kitchen yet but otherwise all in working order so happy for her to stay there for a few weeks.

She arrived last week. The first night she arrived I said I’d pop round after dc were asleep and show her how everything works, see if there’s anything she needs. I go round with a bottle of wine and it’s immediately clear she doesn’t want me there. I’d poured myself a glass of wine and she was doing exaggerated sighs and just playing with her phone so much that I ended up staying less than 10 minutes. She messaged the next morning apologising saying that she was just feeling really useless at the moment, never wanted this to be her life and was really embarrassed that I’d had to help her out.

I thought I’d just give her space and leave her to do whatever but a few days later the electrician was due to go round and I needed to be there so I told her and went round when I said. Again, huffing and puffing and making it really uncomfortable for both me and the electrician.

Then today I was in the garden when I heard her come in through the bottom gate, she hadn’t seen me as I was out of view (not deliberately hiding!). She had a friend with her and I heard her say “you’ll have to be quiet, if she sees I’m in she’ll never leave me alone”. Friend laughs and I didn’t hear what was said next then F said “I know, not much longer then I won’t have to live in a hovel hiding....” then I didn’t hear what was said.

Where she’s staying isn’t a hovel, it’s a really nice conversion that I’m not asking for any payment for. I went round once when she arrived, clearly didn’t want me there then have been round once more when I had to.

Am I being made a fool of? I’m feeling so upset. I thought I was doing something really nice for a friend and she seems to hate me for it.

OP posts:
HedgePutty · 12/04/2021 14:57

Sorry, but I reckon the friend who she was in in the garden is on MN, recognised the situation and hovel comment and told your not so dear friend who was upset that her free accommodation was going.

prawntoastie · 12/04/2021 15:18

She’s the fool, free accommodation and she is being nasty.
The fact you been friends for years clearly doesn’t matter to her and shouldn’t matter to you.

I would text her saying your mum needs the hiding space to hide from you.

She will know you heard her but won’t say it because then she will basically have the face up she’s a cow

Cowbells · 12/04/2021 15:35

Unfortunately, some people get resentful instead of grateful when people help them out.

@Bluetable - I was discussing exactly this with a friend the other day. Three times she has lent various friends a substantial amount of money. On each occasion the person has turned against her and become really abusive when she tried - after a very decent length of time, to get the loan repaid. Another time she gave a chunk of money to a friend and said it wasn't a loan but it was the last he'd get from her. He took it and then turned on her. I don't understand the psychology behind this but it's weirdly common.

PuzzledObserver · 12/04/2021 15:44

If she did well at uni and is working in a very male-dominated industry,
I would expect her to be making a decent living. And by the age you must both be to have been friends for 25 years, why can she not afford a place of her own? Why was she having to rent "off the books", i.e. presumably for less than market rent?

SummerWhisper · 12/04/2021 16:07

Please don't inflict her on your mum. She has contempt for you and she will likely have contempt for your mother, whom she is obliged to care for because her life 'didn't work out' the way she expected it to. No way would I put her in charge of a vulnerable older person.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 12/04/2021 16:28

Unfortunately, some people get resentful instead of grateful when people help them out.

Indeed.

Nocar · 12/04/2021 16:33

If i was the the visiting friend hearing your friend make those comments in light of her situation, I would honestly think she was an ungrateful two faced cow. It says more about her than it does you.
Also, makes me wonder if she's made up a tale that involves doing 'poor you' a favour, to save face. Is it common knowledge how she ended up living at yours ?

ToffeeNotCoffee · 12/04/2021 16:35

I was discussing exactly this with a friend the other day. Three times she has lent various friends a substantial amount of money. On each occasion the person has turned against her and become really abusive when she tried - after a very decent length of time, to get the loan repaid.

Some friendships end, right about the point where money is loaned or loaned and not paid back.

It's as if the person wanting (money/a genuinely big favour etc) knows the friendship is about to end and have basically decided to cash in somehow.

In some relationships one person can get nasty. Sometimes it's because their self esteem is very low.

As for a former friend coming across as resentful rather than grateful it's as if they are saying, 'how dare you be nice to me.'

Resentfulness can play out as brattish behaviour, like, ok good I got what I want. Now piss off.

Regarding loaning money the recipient could feel or think 'make you feel good does it ?' Well you were a mug to trust me.

ArabellaScott · 12/04/2021 16:56

Angry for you, OP. Kick her out.

LadyLolaRuben · 12/04/2021 17:08

You're a lovely and thoughtful friend. Whilst letting her continue to stay, dont forget what she has said even though you're concerned for her welfare. If you don't build up some mental safeguards youre opening yourself up to more hurt from this friend Flowers

MoonfacedMilksop · 12/04/2021 17:11

puzzledobserver she’s self employed and hardly been earning since Feb last year. She was planning on emigrating last year with ex and they were planning to buy a property in ex’s home country. Then CV hit, ex had to move home, they split and F has been living off the savings for the deposit. She said she’s got about £12k left but that’s not enough for a deposit round here, particularly as she’s self employed.

I know you’re all braying for blood and wanting me to bag up clothes and write her ‘funny’ messages chucking her out but I’m not going to do that. I asked for opinions on the original scenario as I found it deeply hurtful. However, it’s since become clear that she is an absolute mess and the comments, although nasty, really aren’t the point anymore. I normally really appreciate the advice I get on MN and there has been some really helpful replies on this thread. But very few of you are actually listening to what I’m saying about me being genuinely concerned for her mental health. She’s been my friend for 25 years and she’s been a really good friend. I know when someone is desperate having been in that situation myself. To suggest that she’s only been a decent friend to me for 25 years so that she can sponge off me during a pandemic is just ridiculous. I’ve said several times that she was upset to the point that I was worried for her safety and still there are comments of her ‘turning on the waterworks’, only doing it because she found the thread, being a liar etc. I have had people suggest similar about myself after an incredibly traumatic time and I’m not going to be a part of that.

Thanks for some of the earlier advice, it was genuinely helpful. It’s turned pretty nasty now though so I’ll leave you to it.

OP posts:
MzHz · 12/04/2021 17:32

Just coming to this now, I think you’re handling this just right, given everything that’s going on

Moving to your mothers might help them both!

SunshineCake · 12/04/2021 17:32

It doesn't matter whether you went round every day, it is your place, you aren't charging her rent so it isn't like a landlord situation where they have to give you nice and she is bitching about your perfectly good enough for an older woman home. She needs to go immediately.

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SamusIsAGirl · 12/04/2021 17:39

Please don't go OP - Mumsnet is a strange place right now - people have gone a bit strange being indoors and a bit keyboard warrior at time.

She is your friend but I would be more guarded about her - I too have found out the hard way when friendships were asymmetric and when people I thought liked and respected my actually saw me with contempt.

At least you have a valid deadline for her to be out. I wouldn't confront here but perhaps in your interactions with her be a bit more business like.

I'm back after an old thread of mine went a bit wonky

SunshineCake · 12/04/2021 17:40

Obviously it sounds to you like she's having a mental health crisis but she still was rude to you, rude to the electrician and slagged you off with another friend. Having bad health doesn't make you do all those things.

Unsure33 · 12/04/2021 17:42

Of course having mental health problems can make you be rude and strike out at those you love? What a comment.

Don’t blame you OP . I said ages ago it sounded like she was deflecting and embarrassed and stressed about her situation and you obviously know it was out of character . You sound like a good friend and I hope you get things sorted.

SamusIsAGirl · 12/04/2021 17:43

In my experience a depressed dickhead with MH problems is still a dickhead and will remain a dickhead irrespective of friends and love. Took a while for me to learn that.

SunshineCake · 12/04/2021 17:44

Well yes but then you would apologise if not immediately, quite soon after. I'd have thought that was obvious. WAC.

Whydidimarryhim · 12/04/2021 17:49

Hi Moonface the only thing that I would point out was just because the landlady asked her to move out she didn’t need to go.
If she hasn’t been on a proper contact the landlady is at fault and she could have stayed till the landlady got her evicted.
She’s going to have to rent - or pay you rent - has she offered you anything? She has £12K - it’s not enough for a deposit but it’s enough to rent.
I’d check she’s actually given up the tenancy but popping to the house and asking for her.
You can make more friends if you would like.
It sounds like you had a terrible experience at 15 - you trusted her - only you know her - keep an eye on her behaviour.

mermaidsariel · 12/04/2021 18:03

@MoonfacedMilksop

puzzledobserver she’s self employed and hardly been earning since Feb last year. She was planning on emigrating last year with ex and they were planning to buy a property in ex’s home country. Then CV hit, ex had to move home, they split and F has been living off the savings for the deposit. She said she’s got about £12k left but that’s not enough for a deposit round here, particularly as she’s self employed.

I know you’re all braying for blood and wanting me to bag up clothes and write her ‘funny’ messages chucking her out but I’m not going to do that. I asked for opinions on the original scenario as I found it deeply hurtful. However, it’s since become clear that she is an absolute mess and the comments, although nasty, really aren’t the point anymore. I normally really appreciate the advice I get on MN and there has been some really helpful replies on this thread. But very few of you are actually listening to what I’m saying about me being genuinely concerned for her mental health. She’s been my friend for 25 years and she’s been a really good friend. I know when someone is desperate having been in that situation myself. To suggest that she’s only been a decent friend to me for 25 years so that she can sponge off me during a pandemic is just ridiculous. I’ve said several times that she was upset to the point that I was worried for her safety and still there are comments of her ‘turning on the waterworks’, only doing it because she found the thread, being a liar etc. I have had people suggest similar about myself after an incredibly traumatic time and I’m not going to be a part of that.

Thanks for some of the earlier advice, it was genuinely helpful. It’s turned pretty nasty now though so I’ll leave you to it.

You sound like a really lovely person and a great friend. She’s so lucky to have you. I wouldn t put up with the awful way she’s behaved regardless of whatever is going on in her life. It’s unacceptable. You know her best though. I wish I had a friend like you.
hannayeah · 12/04/2021 18:05

Sounds like everything is crashing down around here right now.

I think you are kind and wise to handle it carefully and with consideration for your past positive history.

elfies · 12/04/2021 18:26

If you know her family well ,how about having a quiet word with her mum.Surely her own mum will know how to help and its better for her to be with her mum if she's freeloading ,than your own poor mum who's having problems to start with.
You sound a lovely friend ....your friend ..Hmm ,I'm not sure

Icepinkeskimo · 12/04/2021 18:31

OP I wish I had a good friend like you, because although your friend may be going through a 'crisis' when I read what she had said to her friend it cut me to the core. I had a similar situation only this 'friend' moved in for a few weeks with her teenage daughter after separating from her husband.

She to was going through a bad time, and decided to discard all her parenting responsibilities. I got her daughter into a new school, and basically did everything. This went on for three months, she was pretty vile to me to be honest. I kept the peace because I know we all go through bad times.

Low and behold friend then decides to go back to the husband but doesn't want the daughter! Long and short of it was she rang me two weeks later saying she did want her daughter back not because she was missing her but because she would get housed quicker by the council! One of the saddest moments of my life when I realised she only wanted her child with her to get housed quicker.

Years have passed, I am no longer in touch with the so called friend, I am in contact with her daughter though, who now has a child of her own. Funnily enough she doesn't see her mum🤨.

At the time my family where telling me I was being taken advantage of and yes they were right. However saying that I have absolutely no regrets. I helped out as best I could and made the best out of a bad situation.

OP there is no third party to consider in your situation with your friend. I would give her a couple of weeks to get her act together and if there's no noticeable improvement, I would have to discontinue the kind agreement you have in place. No friend has the right to make those cruel and vile comments when all you have done is be utterly lovely to her though.
Don't be taken advantage of please.

randomer · 12/04/2021 19:15

Dear OP, look at what you write about your friend, an adult with a fully functioning adult brain..... the ex, the move, the cottage which suddenly wasn't there any more, the MH issues.

A gestimate..you are around 50 years old? with an elderly , failing mother.

Choices. People have choices.
She could have chosen to turn up with flowers and wine and an overnight bag.

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