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What a mess. Just a really, really rubbish situation

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AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 21:12

Ok, so I need to do some scene setting first.

DH and I met whilst working in Birmingham (we just worked there, no family connections whatsoever to the place). We had our child there but always knew we didn't want to raise a family in the city. Shortly after DC1 we made the decision to leave and move to the area where I grew up (which is nowhere near where my DH is from and he has zero connections here). He was driving the move more than I was, saying it would be a nicer area to bring up kids (which it is, it's amazing: rural, beautiful, near very supportive grandparents who look after the kids 3x a week etc).

I had been doing well in my career and I am the main breadwinner. However that means I work away for 2 days a week (incl 1 night). My parents insist they help us and have the grandchildren 2.5x days a week. It's mainly because they literally DOTE on the grandchildren, I have never seen anything like it. They are almost obsessed. But likewise the bond my kids have with them is also very special. Admittedly we could just put the kids in creche a bit more, but (a) my folks would be hurt (they would move heaven and earth to have the kids) and (b) what's the point of living where we are, if we're not using the support network which was one of the plusses of moving up here. Plus I quite like the bond my kids have with my folks.

So that's me and the kids.

DH worked (in Birmingham) in a very city based role, he can only do that work for a corporate city firm. That kind of work is nowhere to be seen where we live now. So, before we moved, after several discussions with my folks, he moved to working with my Mum in her business, which is completely different to anything he's ever done. Not even the skills in his previous city role would have been transferrable, other than perhaps (very loosely) people management. So it's very different to anything he's ever done but he was super keen to get involved.

Mum has grown the business from nothing and it's thriving. She lives and breathes it and has been running it now for nearly 40 years. The original idea was that she would then take a step back and he would take a step up (i.e. the future). She kept saying that the business needed new blood. But it reeeeally hasn't worked out like that.

I can see failings on both sides. She is very abrupt and almost aggressive in the way she deals with people. She's super efficient, operates at 110mph, nothing gets left undone. She's just constantly firing on all cylinders. That said, she can be very scatty and makes mistakes. There are very few processes. V little stored electronically. She operates heavily by bits of paper here n there. No idea how to use spreadsheets etc. All v old school. But clearly it has worked for her because the business is really successful.

DH on the other hand is the total opposite. Calmer, slower, not so engaged with the staff (she's the type that would send any of her staff a generous new baby gift if they had new babies, would know their kids' names etc when she has 70+ staff to manage... he is (well) a stereotypical man and just wouldn't be interested). Her personal touch with staff is what she's really known for. She will roll her sleeves up and get in the thick of it (and is v respected for that), he would probably delegate more.

So they have very different styles. Truth be told, if anything were to happen to Mum tomorrow and he had to step up and take over, I'd have been slightly worried at him running the show (and that's after nearly 4 years of being in the business!).

Now don't get me wrong, there was never any need for them to take him in, we know that. But we didn't quite think it would go as it has. In hindsight I think a lot of it is that (a) she's a VERY had task master, hard to please; and (b) no-one will ever run your own business like yourself so, despite his different management style, he has always (now, in hindsight) been on a bit of a hiding to nothing.

Anyway, the relationship with Mum has become absolutely horrendous over the past 18 months since she has started to pick him up for things he's missing. She says that she's meant to be taking a step back and is paying him to take over her role, yet in reality she's (apparently) working more than ever, until midnight every night to keep things running as she likes it. DH says that there must be a completely different side to the business that she runs that they don't let him in on. Looking at this from afar (and knowing both characters), DH operates very much on a "list" basis. If he has 10 things on his list then that's all he thinks he has on. In reality he probably just doesn't think that far outside the box as to what Mum could be doing at night. On the other hand, I think Mum can be v anal so....

Aaaanyway she called him in a few weeks ago. Basically told him the business is being "restructured". DH would not be doing his current role and they had "created" a new role in another part of the business for him, completely unrelated to what he's been doing - and learning - for the past 4 years. He sees it as them sacking him and creating a made up role for him simply because he's their son in law and because they want us to stay living nearby so they can see the grandchildren. I tend to agree with that, but I also do think he'd be quite well suited to this new role (which I don't think is entirely a "fake" role because it's stuff that needs doing and relates to the future growth of the company, so probably more his bag).

Anyway, after they told him about these new "restructuring" plans, they told him to take a month away from "them" and from the business (!). He has been at home feeling totally lost, upset, hurt. I expected he'd accept that new role and make it work (he admits himself it sounds exciting) but he's decided (and I kinda agree) because of the sheer stress of working for family and he just wants out. He says they've pulled the rug from beneath his feet with his initial role so could do it again, and he's not getting any younger. He is also sick of constantly having to defend himself and how he operates. It's exhausting and I get it.

He has told Mum & Dad that he won't be accepting the new role and they didn't argue back. They said they'd always support him in whatever way they could, but in reality I think they are just relieved that he's out of their hair.

The question is what now. For him. For our family.

We live in a rural area. There are NO roles here which is anything like his previous city based role. He would need to travel at least 1h15 mins each way to the nearest city, and even then it's a small-ish hub that would have satellite corporate offices, not mainstream HQs etc.

He says he's been out of that corporate world now for 4 years so he'll struggle to get anything at the level he previously was at, especially where we're based. Otherwise, there is NADA going. It's demoralising. He's so bright, successful, had a glimmering career in London, and now he's on the floor and doesn't know what to do with himself.

One option (which is heart wants to do) is for us, as a family, to sell up and move to Edinburgh (where he's from) where there would be heaps of jobs (for him), better paid, he'd be close to his family and friends etc. But not for me. It's a different jurisdiction so wouldn't work for my career. As I say, I already spend 1 night 2 days away each week which I could (in paper) still do but it would entail me flying down to work each week. I just don't want to do that. I have young kids. I don't want that stress. Me leaving my job and getting something else up in Edinburgh is also not an option because I've been there for 16 years, I have a good rep there and I'm the main breadwinner. Not that this should be a reason not to move, but it would also kill my parents who live for the grandchildren every week.

We feel a bit lost. He fully supports me not leaving my role. He knows me leaving isn't an option and he keeps saying that. But it's a terrible situation because:

  • where we live now works for me, doesn't work for him job wise. He'd have to make do with anything, which would make him feel even more worthless than he does now (he is at rock bottom)
  • if we go to Edinburgh, it works perfectly for him, but not for me.
  • we don't want to move back to Birmingham, we've done that. We don't want to go back to a city where we have no family connections, we'd just be living there for work. Life is too short.

There are no answers. Just wanted to vent, and I guess any generic thoughts on the situation...

OP posts:
ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:13

I would prefer to have a safe and happy marriage with my husband and children rather than a life still dictated to by my blooming mother!! You're not 18! This is so awful to read. Are you really that concerned about your parents' relationship with your child? What about their father and his relationship with his child?? Strangest thread that I have read in a long time.

ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:17

It's like you have never grown up and realised that you're an adult. You still act like a child and dance to your parents' tune. You need to realise that you're an adult now. I know the allure of inheritance may keep you dancing, but if they're not sadistic, they would rather see you happy. I would never ever obey in order to inherit. I too have a wealthy father. I would not under any circumstances comply in order to inherit. You're destroying your marriage by forcing your DH to work in the family.

gutful · 27/03/2021 04:19

Also this “medical condition” sounds like potentially nothing more than a bad back & having slipped 2 discs while working corporate he could get a standing desk, sit on a medicine ball + a physiotherapist to help him with this issue that prevents him Working a desk job

Also seem to have decided it is no good for the husband to work a desk job when HE apparently seems to think he can? Why not let him try?

A lot of corporate places now encourage work from home too, so it’s not like he is 100% bound to going into an office all the time.

It just seems really obvious the OP does not want to put herself out & compromise on anything here, yet acknowledges the husband has sacrificed & compromised for her.

She seems full of her own self importance relating to her career when SHE could (it sounds) fairly easily find some other type of job based on her experience.

Why does OP not say she will be the sole earner for 1yr - let husband in that year take on the childcare while he job hunts & searches for other career options?

She has basically decided for him that corporate life is no longer an option for him due to mystery “medical issue” that he doesn’t seem to think is a deciding factor in which jobs he may want to go for?

It sounds like they could live so many places, financially well off & the options are actually endless - but if it means her compromising it’s not an option.

It was the post where she made out like buying a 2nd property & running an air b&b sounded like this huge issue, when apparently they could absolutely afford to do this.

Mo money mo problems indeed!

People manage to have families, work while living on a lot less

The kids have their inheritence coming from the GP’s business so it’s not like they need to built up a huge fortune here.

Op have you ever gone camping or lived rough before? You can actually live on a lot less than what you may think/want.

It sounds like she could afford to be the sole earner while DH picks himself up & a lot of these obstacles to moving elsewhere are in OP’s mind.

ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:34

I think the OP simply wants her dc to inherit, does not see her husband as a capable provider and is completely under her mother's thumb.

I would rather my dc inherited from my earnings than from me or my DH dancing to the tune of my DM (who is also sadistic).

ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:37

OP, can you cut the apron strings and look at works for your family unit. You relying on your family so much is completely cutting your DH out. Do you not trust him to earn enough to provide for your children? Why this draw to your mother? Is it the inheritance? If she loves them and you, it will not be conditional on you obeying her at all times. If she doesn't, then you and your DH can provide adequately yourselves.

fib11235 · 27/03/2021 04:46

I honestly think you need need to break things down a bit and consider the Edinburgh move for 2 yrs (time limited). This will show your husband that you are prioritising him and his career for once, it will give him a chance to be near his friends and family (you say he’s low and this might be the pick up he needs eg familiar friends/environment not everything he sees being connected to you and your family etc). Give him 2 years to have a go at getting his career back on track, if it fails then it doesn’t matter but you will both know you tried whereas it sounds like the last 4 yrs have centred around your job and your family. A bit of distance may actually also improve relations with your family as they can go back to being your family and meeting up at a special bday or Xmas etc rather than there being a constant undertone of work, resentment and underperformance (as they see it). 2 years is not long, you can rent out the house and tell your parents you’ll be coming back, you never know your mum may actually be at the point of retiring by then and without the work situation to cause animosity the 4 of you may get on much better?

gutful · 27/03/2021 04:49

Also the Op says her mum is a great business owner because she gives her staff bday gifts

Tbh if you’re running a really large company at some stage you will have to have a separation between the employees & the business. You can’t afford to see each member of staff as anything but a number

In this climate it isn’t hard exactly hard to find staff.

So this mention that the mother is the only person who can run this company may be false

She may be running it well at it’s current level

But it sounds like a successful business which could grow larger

Then someone with the corporate experience like DH has could be an advantage.

A lot of business owners find it hard to let go or see different ways of running the company because it has been their creation, their baby & they can’t imagine anybody doing it differently & not running it into the ground.

Am wondering if OP is scared they will be written out of the will if she dares to live life differently than her mother’s wishes.

fib11235 · 27/03/2021 04:53

...also for a set time like 2 years, the kids can treat it as an adventure (won’t impact on exam years) and you can either fly down for work as previously suggested or talk to them - you have been with them 16 yrs I’m sure they would consider a more flexible arrangement (office based 1 week in 4, WFH the rest) to keep you. You can pretty much stick anything out if you know it’s time limited so although commuting for you not ideal, is it possible for only 2 yrs..?

imsoinmyhead · 27/03/2021 04:59

Yes this has gotten rather messy but it can be salvaged.

However, I Personally I wouldn't move to Edinburgh. It seems very drastic, literally like you're running away from your problems.

I can partly see your mums point of view, in that your DH doesn't sound like the dynamic leader she's after. Which you can understand because after 40 yrs, she clearly feels very protective of her business. But given your mums character this was never going to end well....

Your husband can easily commute 1.15 to work, I really don't see the problem here? There's no need to uproot your entire lives because he doesn't want to commute?

I think you've painted an awful picture of your parents when in actual fact you both decided to move nearer to them to take advantage of the free child care etc.

Shoxfordian · 27/03/2021 05:48

I don’t really see why your dh didn’t take the job they offered on the restructure assuming the money was the same as it sounded like one that would have suited him better. Is it still an option or have you burnt that bridge completely?

tara66 · 27/03/2021 05:55

I understood they could not move to Scotland because OP 's qualifications were not according to the system there - e.g. Scottish law is different from that in England (if she is a solicitor).

Diverseopinions · 27/03/2021 05:56

I think people running a business know business, and it's possible your OH doesn't have the knack and knowing how to prioritise the things which count - like staff motivation.

You are doing well in your line of work, and so, possibly, take an impartial and detached overview of proceedings, seeing both points of view because it is the fair thing to do. Does this impartiality reflect the truth of the business situation though? You are very morally supportive, which is good in principle.

I don't think you should move to a completely new area again, as there is no guarantee that your husband would find the great opportunities he wants and to fulfill the potential he showed in Birmingham. You might struggle with work - which might be not finding what you really want, as you probably have the work ethic and skills to do well in a role, but it might not suit you 100%. Some of the things you say sound like you might be putting a gloss on things to support your DH. He is demoralised mooching around at home instead of finding a new job; he thinks he can't get back into the corporate world after 4 years away; his career was hampered by a medical issue. Was it this or something about his attitude to work also? His career might be hampered again, so don't move somewhere to benefit his work rather than your own.

What is the point of employment other than to create finance and a security net for you and your children? If your parents are going to leave you the proceeds of a very successful ( successful in Covid times too) business, why go all over the country to make money in a difficult way?

The unselfish thing would be for your DH to have accepted the role with your parents. It would keep the children's relationship going with their grandparents. It would be easier for you.

With posts like this, which are very helpfully full, but, nevertheless, of course , tell only a certain angle, you can sometimes read between the lines. It is just possible that your mum doesn't really trust or completely approve of attitude of DH, hence she confided, in distress and worry for you, to her good friend. How you got to hear about that conversation, if it was private, I don't know, but possibly because of the level of worry, and one of them telling you the other seconded and agreed with their concerns. You are supporting your husband, rightly, but maybe he isn't conscientious and thorough at work. If the business is to be put in trust for the next generation, perhaps your mum doesn't just worry about divorce in general terms, but doesn't trust something about your husband.

I hope it's ok to air general impressions on this thread, and I'm not meaning to be rude or to upset you. But as you are busy with your work, you may not have seen everything. I think your DH should not pull the rest of you away from an area you like and where the kids can see their cousins and grandparents. Maybe he relies on you doing well in your work, but things would not be rosy if you couldn't find what you wanted or could do easily.

I would give it a good few months before doing anything, and observe how much effort and determination your DH puts in to finding a job where you are. There is no guarantee that childcare would go well in Edinburgh. And you do need/ benefit from family support. DH was happy to work for your mother, so does he have a lot of ideas and initiative about what he wants to do? I think the best thing is for him to set up something or find a job where you are, so you can keep working. Try, to be a bit more distant from your parents, but try to mend bridges, as they have your family interests at heart, it seems evident to see.

WeeGobshiteBentBastard · 27/03/2021 05:59

You need to get away from your overbearing parents OP. ASAP.

FreakinFrankNFurter · 27/03/2021 06:02

Reading between the line though, your DH wasn't really doing a great job and only got it in the first place because of you. It sounds as though they have 'restructured' because your DH wasn't actually pulling his weight and even by your own admission is a jobsworth. At that sort of level, a business needs someone who isn't just ticking off stuff from a list. I also think that you are very biased. I bet if he wasn't your DH and someone unrelated, you would probably agree with your parents that he wasn't up to the job. And I would be very unimpressed if someone turned down what could be a great opportunity out of misplaced pride when there is nothing else out there.

I agree with this. I’m not sure why DM is getting all the blame when it sounds like DH didn’t really step up to the plate very well. Despite your Mum providing childcare for 2.5 days, which presumably saves you a lot of money, and then working into the evening to accommodate this, she is the villain?

He doesn’t mind her do that but DH didn’t want her seeing the grandkids while you were off. Not just for a week but three weeks. He wasn’t desperate for family time, he was punishing your DM for the fact that he wasn’t very good at his job. DH sounds petulant

I don’t think your Mum has been perfect in this but DH certainly hasn’t either. There seems an attitude of ‘I had big corporate job, therefore I know best and this feels beneath me’

SD1978 · 27/03/2021 06:09

Since you already do one night away a week- would adding a flight for the office time from Edinburgh to wherever actuall make that much difference? Fly down in the morning and fly back the following night?

Desperado40 · 27/03/2021 06:09

Oh dear, I am not even sure where to start. It all seems so unfair on your dh and his career. I am sorry to say but your mum sounds toxic and very controlling. You need to do some research, prioritise DH career a bit more now. However, why does it have to be Birmingham or Edinburgh? Surely you can look at commutable rural areas to other big cities where DH can recover his career while you still have a quality of life you want. Honestly, your dh was server a sh*t sandwich by his inlaws. It was a really bad idea to get him into the family business in the first place. From what you wrote about your mum and how she is running the company, it sounds very unprofessional (no processes, lists on scraps of paper?). The business maybe thriving miraculously but anybody who comes to take over will have a terrible time. Not sure how her style not led to some mistakes/failures yet, but this must be on the cards sooner or later.

QuidditchQueen · 27/03/2021 06:10

How does your mother have time to look after the children 2.5 days s week when she is working these long hours in the business ?

ErleighBird · 27/03/2021 06:13

Your support network isn't supportive.

I feel for your husband as I've seen a couple of similar situations in my wider family. In both of these the original starter of the business had said they wanted to pass the business on but in reality done everything not to and been incredibly change resistant- if it's not done their way it's wrong.

In one instance it ended up,with punches thrown 😮

I have huge sympathy for your husband.

Palavah · 27/03/2021 06:14

Sounds like you and your husband are assuming he'd need to be in the office 5 days per week but that whole assumption has been turned on its head this past year. The vast majority of 'office' jobs will be flexible in the way you say you need him to be.

It sounds as though your husband needs to consider what will work for his health.
Might it be as simple as a proper standing desk setup and discipline about moving every hour or so? Or does he need a different direction entirely.

Don't let your parents guilt you into staying if it's not right for you and dh.

gutful · 27/03/2021 06:19

Can’t over the mother who is running a business of 70 staff yet somehow cannot learn how to use Microsoft Excel or Google Sheets Hmm

Desperado40 · 27/03/2021 06:25

Just read the bit of the thread about buying a second property, OP. You must be very comfortable financially. Why not get a nanny and give your DH a chance to have time to recover his career without the burden of childcare? You could still drop kids off at grandparents some weekends and have nice time just with your dh. It doesn’t have to be childcare or nothing!

Fucket · 27/03/2021 06:34

My advice for your dp would be to get back to employment ASAP in whatever capacity, apply for anything and everything. Jobs in Edinburgh or indeed anywhere in the country. It’s a very competitive job market at the moment and he doesn’t want to leave it too long.

Hopefully he will get a role similar to his old business. You should then prioritise getting him through his probation period and a year to settle in before uprooting your family to support him.

If you are not in a position to support him then you may have to call time on your marriage.

There is the other option of your DH volunteering locally to get some meaning and purpose back in his life whilst he figures out a new direction for himself. I did this after being forced out of my career for having kids. Volunteering stopped my CV from having a gap and gave my mental health a boost. But to stay local you’d need to agree on putting the kids into childcare and see your parents a lot less. I’m not sure if you’re strong enough to stick to that boundary.

MaMaD1990 · 27/03/2021 06:38

Blimey, this is quite a story. Would it be possible to hire a nanny so that your DH could focus on his career and give the flexibility to travel as you do for your work, just on different days etc? Whilst it's admirable that you want the DC to have a good relationship with your DP and that's why you let them look after them during the week, could this time not be reduced so that your husband can find some happiness in his career? It wouldn't be a 'bitter move' because the situation is crystal clear and your parents would need to accept that as the situation has changed, it has an impact on how you all structure your lives. If they are making changes to business whereby your husbands role being changed is a 'so be it' situation, surely the same goes for childcare, because it's what is best for your family life? It wouldn't mean they couldn't see the children, it would just be less but you could always say they're more than welcome to your home to see them so it's not just you making the endless journeys to them? It does sound like they have a fair amount of control over your life I that you worry about upsetting them, but they don't hold that same respect for you or your DH. I may be way off thr mark there but it does seem like the childcare is the big issue underlying all of this.

ittakes2 · 27/03/2021 06:38

If your mum is now looking after your children a few days a week I can see that that has maybe impacted on her time and why she is working until midnight.
If you say the nearest place he can work is 1.15hrs away - then I would move half way between that and where you live now. A 30min drive is enough distance to both have space and get support from your family. To be honest when your kids are in school most people build other parent friendships to share school and club pick ups etc - only a few people get support from their families. I get your don't won't to move from your family but your mum is clearly so controlling you are not noticing she is also controlling you.

NutellaEllaElla · 27/03/2021 06:53

I suppose it doesn't matter where the blame lies in your DH's role in the family business not working out. The fact of the matter is that it isn't going to turn into the dream scenario one hoped for.

If you don't choose your DH here, this marriage won't last. And you'll be stuck with your parents. You would be wise to (emotionally, financially, and practically) distance yourself from depending on your family. Of course they love their grandchildren, they've been very very lucky to have so much contact with them but this is going to have to change. That's not evil in the slightest. You've got to respond to the frankly crisis in hand.

You have presented your options in a rather all or nothing way. Edinburgh or Birmingham... options can't surely be so limited. As others have said, there will be more opportunities than ever for working from home part of the week.

You can survive this OP but it's going to take some upheaval and change.

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