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What a mess. Just a really, really rubbish situation

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AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 21:12

Ok, so I need to do some scene setting first.

DH and I met whilst working in Birmingham (we just worked there, no family connections whatsoever to the place). We had our child there but always knew we didn't want to raise a family in the city. Shortly after DC1 we made the decision to leave and move to the area where I grew up (which is nowhere near where my DH is from and he has zero connections here). He was driving the move more than I was, saying it would be a nicer area to bring up kids (which it is, it's amazing: rural, beautiful, near very supportive grandparents who look after the kids 3x a week etc).

I had been doing well in my career and I am the main breadwinner. However that means I work away for 2 days a week (incl 1 night). My parents insist they help us and have the grandchildren 2.5x days a week. It's mainly because they literally DOTE on the grandchildren, I have never seen anything like it. They are almost obsessed. But likewise the bond my kids have with them is also very special. Admittedly we could just put the kids in creche a bit more, but (a) my folks would be hurt (they would move heaven and earth to have the kids) and (b) what's the point of living where we are, if we're not using the support network which was one of the plusses of moving up here. Plus I quite like the bond my kids have with my folks.

So that's me and the kids.

DH worked (in Birmingham) in a very city based role, he can only do that work for a corporate city firm. That kind of work is nowhere to be seen where we live now. So, before we moved, after several discussions with my folks, he moved to working with my Mum in her business, which is completely different to anything he's ever done. Not even the skills in his previous city role would have been transferrable, other than perhaps (very loosely) people management. So it's very different to anything he's ever done but he was super keen to get involved.

Mum has grown the business from nothing and it's thriving. She lives and breathes it and has been running it now for nearly 40 years. The original idea was that she would then take a step back and he would take a step up (i.e. the future). She kept saying that the business needed new blood. But it reeeeally hasn't worked out like that.

I can see failings on both sides. She is very abrupt and almost aggressive in the way she deals with people. She's super efficient, operates at 110mph, nothing gets left undone. She's just constantly firing on all cylinders. That said, she can be very scatty and makes mistakes. There are very few processes. V little stored electronically. She operates heavily by bits of paper here n there. No idea how to use spreadsheets etc. All v old school. But clearly it has worked for her because the business is really successful.

DH on the other hand is the total opposite. Calmer, slower, not so engaged with the staff (she's the type that would send any of her staff a generous new baby gift if they had new babies, would know their kids' names etc when she has 70+ staff to manage... he is (well) a stereotypical man and just wouldn't be interested). Her personal touch with staff is what she's really known for. She will roll her sleeves up and get in the thick of it (and is v respected for that), he would probably delegate more.

So they have very different styles. Truth be told, if anything were to happen to Mum tomorrow and he had to step up and take over, I'd have been slightly worried at him running the show (and that's after nearly 4 years of being in the business!).

Now don't get me wrong, there was never any need for them to take him in, we know that. But we didn't quite think it would go as it has. In hindsight I think a lot of it is that (a) she's a VERY had task master, hard to please; and (b) no-one will ever run your own business like yourself so, despite his different management style, he has always (now, in hindsight) been on a bit of a hiding to nothing.

Anyway, the relationship with Mum has become absolutely horrendous over the past 18 months since she has started to pick him up for things he's missing. She says that she's meant to be taking a step back and is paying him to take over her role, yet in reality she's (apparently) working more than ever, until midnight every night to keep things running as she likes it. DH says that there must be a completely different side to the business that she runs that they don't let him in on. Looking at this from afar (and knowing both characters), DH operates very much on a "list" basis. If he has 10 things on his list then that's all he thinks he has on. In reality he probably just doesn't think that far outside the box as to what Mum could be doing at night. On the other hand, I think Mum can be v anal so....

Aaaanyway she called him in a few weeks ago. Basically told him the business is being "restructured". DH would not be doing his current role and they had "created" a new role in another part of the business for him, completely unrelated to what he's been doing - and learning - for the past 4 years. He sees it as them sacking him and creating a made up role for him simply because he's their son in law and because they want us to stay living nearby so they can see the grandchildren. I tend to agree with that, but I also do think he'd be quite well suited to this new role (which I don't think is entirely a "fake" role because it's stuff that needs doing and relates to the future growth of the company, so probably more his bag).

Anyway, after they told him about these new "restructuring" plans, they told him to take a month away from "them" and from the business (!). He has been at home feeling totally lost, upset, hurt. I expected he'd accept that new role and make it work (he admits himself it sounds exciting) but he's decided (and I kinda agree) because of the sheer stress of working for family and he just wants out. He says they've pulled the rug from beneath his feet with his initial role so could do it again, and he's not getting any younger. He is also sick of constantly having to defend himself and how he operates. It's exhausting and I get it.

He has told Mum & Dad that he won't be accepting the new role and they didn't argue back. They said they'd always support him in whatever way they could, but in reality I think they are just relieved that he's out of their hair.

The question is what now. For him. For our family.

We live in a rural area. There are NO roles here which is anything like his previous city based role. He would need to travel at least 1h15 mins each way to the nearest city, and even then it's a small-ish hub that would have satellite corporate offices, not mainstream HQs etc.

He says he's been out of that corporate world now for 4 years so he'll struggle to get anything at the level he previously was at, especially where we're based. Otherwise, there is NADA going. It's demoralising. He's so bright, successful, had a glimmering career in London, and now he's on the floor and doesn't know what to do with himself.

One option (which is heart wants to do) is for us, as a family, to sell up and move to Edinburgh (where he's from) where there would be heaps of jobs (for him), better paid, he'd be close to his family and friends etc. But not for me. It's a different jurisdiction so wouldn't work for my career. As I say, I already spend 1 night 2 days away each week which I could (in paper) still do but it would entail me flying down to work each week. I just don't want to do that. I have young kids. I don't want that stress. Me leaving my job and getting something else up in Edinburgh is also not an option because I've been there for 16 years, I have a good rep there and I'm the main breadwinner. Not that this should be a reason not to move, but it would also kill my parents who live for the grandchildren every week.

We feel a bit lost. He fully supports me not leaving my role. He knows me leaving isn't an option and he keeps saying that. But it's a terrible situation because:

  • where we live now works for me, doesn't work for him job wise. He'd have to make do with anything, which would make him feel even more worthless than he does now (he is at rock bottom)
  • if we go to Edinburgh, it works perfectly for him, but not for me.
  • we don't want to move back to Birmingham, we've done that. We don't want to go back to a city where we have no family connections, we'd just be living there for work. Life is too short.

There are no answers. Just wanted to vent, and I guess any generic thoughts on the situation...

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FedUpAtHomeTroels · 26/03/2021 22:42

Your Mother sounds awful. She sold your Dh (and you) a bill of goods and isn't going to ever deliver. She sounds obsessed with the kids and would probably be quite happy for your Dh to bugger off and work elsewhere leaving you to be dependant on her for some help with the kids.
I'm glad this is making you closer to Dh and you have each others backs.
Time to find work elsewhere and move so he can work away from her and somewhere you can be a family without her interference.
It doesn't have to be Edinburgh, it could be somewhere between there and where you are.

Claphands · 26/03/2021 22:43

An hours commute doesn’t sound too bad too me, not ideal but it’s an average where I am. Couldn’t you move halfway between where you are now and where your DH could get work, meaning you’d both have a 30/40 minute commute?
I know it’s not that easy but seems like the most stress free solution.

AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 22:47

@thelegohooverer

I was inclined to say that you need to prioritise your career prospects, and the nuclear family unit, above your dps. But then you mentioned a “domestic” ?

This was the start of the entire downfall, since then things have just got worse. The detail is way too long to go into now (like the above isn't enough !) but basically DH asked if we could tell DP that they wouldn't see the GC for 3 weeks while we were on our (nearly) 3 week staycation at home. I said that there was no reason to expressly "stop" them seeing the GC during those 3 weeks and it could come across a bit shitty, like we were fine for them to have the GC when we are at work but they were practically banned when not. SO DH and I had a disagreement about that. TBF, my DP rarely come to our house and if they do, they don't stay for v long, but he just didn't want to see anyone at all whilst off, escapism.

Anyway I agreed, but a couple of the days when I was a stonesthrow from Mum's house / her work for a supermarket shop or Optician appointment etc (with kids in tow, and DH at home) I did a little de-tour to their house so she could see the kids quickly, but didn't specifically tell DH I was calling in. I told Mum that DH and I had had a bit of a domestic about it, hence why they were seeing the kids less during those 3 weeks. She then went on and told her friend that I was coming there in secret and how "appalling" that was. Which I know it wasn't the best, but I was trying to keep everyone happy, again by putting myself out by bending over backwards for them to see the GC whilst trying not to impact substantially our time at home on staycation...!

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GreenestValley · 26/03/2021 22:49

Sounds like they have such a tight grip that a few weeks without seeing them when you are having family time off together, causes that kind of tension and dispute.

Horehound · 26/03/2021 22:50

Id move.

Edinburgh is amazing anyway!!

I vaguely remember your post was it something about your husband/you cooking or some kind of chore like "she's not even done X" and she told it to a friend or something??

Horehound · 26/03/2021 22:51

Sorry just saw your last post. Yes that's right o do remember this
Yeah, deffo move.

TheUndoingProject · 26/03/2021 22:51

They sounds really stressful. I think stopping relying on parents for childcare would be a really good thing frankly. Your relationship with your parents would probably benefit from more space and better boundaries.

You seem to be looking at your options as either stay where you are or move to Edinburgh and I’m not sure why. Couldn’t you move to the location you travel to for work weekly? Even if it’s a smaller hub rather than a big city for your DH’s job hunt, I think lots of corporate employers are going to be much more flexible about remote working and WFH post-covid.

I also think a lot of think will be dictated by your DH’s job hunt. Why doesn’t he just get stuck and see what’s out there and what he can negotiate? He’ll only know once he starts looking. It may be his former employer/industry are more open to remote or flexible working now.

Kintsuji · 26/03/2021 22:53

Could you put the DC in nursery 5 days and your parents do pick up the afternoons you're working away and look after DC till DH could get back? They'd still see the grandkids you could keep your job and DH could find a commuting job to the nearby city.

Schoolchoicesucks · 26/03/2021 22:56

Sneaking around for your mother to see your kids behind your dh's back is just odd.

For that to seem like the best solution to you, either your mother is overbearing and bullying, or your dh is.

My money is on your mother.

I still don't really get why there is nowhere else you could be other than where you are (not ideal for you with working away 2 days a week and awful for your dh's career and relationship with your family), Birmingham (where you don't particularly want to live) or Edinburgh (where you don't want to have to travel from).

AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 22:57

@d577ta

I just want to say that you have done very well OP not to get bitter against your parents yourself in the treatment of your husband. Blood should be thicker than water if they love the grandchildren so much its such a shame that they made your husband feel so shite like that. You seem very level headed. It sounds like you don't really want to leave the life you have now but that you do want your husband to be happy. You love the rural feel, your job, the kids bond etc. O guess the question you are really asking is how can I pick my husband up from this crappy situation. It seems to me that he is going to have to let this corporate thing go. It's not the life he has switched for. Depending on your monetary needs is there anything he could do that he just enjoys doing. Maybe he could take a year to try his hand at new things. Tell him you will support him. Anyhow I hope you get some clarity. Good luck
All of your assumptions are spot on here, except for the bit where you tell me I've done well not to get bitter. The relationship has totally broken down.

Re my DH. I've told him for us to look at buying a second little property, which admittedly would be a bit of a strain financially and we'd need to take out a buy to let mortgage for 150k or so, on top of our existing mortgage, but its doable and it could be a project for him to do up for and Air B and B - he would relish that and is brilliant at that kind of stuff, can turn his hand to anything. But he feels he needs a "career", which I get. He sees all of his friends in amazing roles, being promoted. And he's back to looking at job adverts 😢

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MarieDelaere · 26/03/2021 22:57

Is Scotland a no-no for your career because it's something like law?

Could you compromise on Newcastle / Northumbrian hinterland?

What does your father think btw, and your PiL?

RandomMess · 26/03/2021 22:59

You really need to move away from your parents. Everything is all about what is best for them and what they want.

Could a move to the North East with a fast train to Edinburgh be a compromise? Could you get work in Newcastle/Teesside/York - could DH??

Perhaps short term DH is actually SAHP until the DC are a bit older or when you move you ensure that nursery care available is long hours or perhaps you factor in having a nanny or au pair so you can keep your job?

Miasicarisatia · 26/03/2021 23:00

your mother is controlling and manipulative, she sees herself as the highest ranking person and she wants everyone else to do exactly as she directs them
her business is her baby it's tied up with her identity and there's no way she would be comfortable with your husband having any control over how it runs
This is all just a stunt that she has pulled to try and keep you all within her power

Miasicarisatia · 26/03/2021 23:01

My mum would have been the same but I dumped her years ago

Somethingkindaoooo · 26/03/2021 23:04

OP
You are very lucky that your relationship is still ok.
Seriously- your mum just keeps causing trouble.
Run while you can. And before resentment sets in for your husband

Somethingkindaoooo · 26/03/2021 23:04

( as in... before your husband gets resentful)

Howshouldibehave · 26/03/2021 23:05

Goodness, your poor husband. Your parents sound toxic-I’d be moving my little family away from them as quick as I could.

RhubarbTea · 26/03/2021 23:05

Even from the beginning of your post your parents sounded weirdly overinvolved in your lives. I think you should move away, maybe somewhere new, and just start fresh. But don't rush it, you have time to reflect and plan. Great that things with your relationship with DH are going from strength to strength Smile

Froggie456 · 26/03/2021 23:06

OP your mother will destroy your marriage. Your DH has no career now. You say you are stronger now. I wonder if he would agree. He has been badly treated by your parents but you insist on not moving far away as you don’t want to deprive them of seeing your children.

I would move back to Birmingham area and work on building friends and networks there.

Sarahlou63 · 26/03/2021 23:07

Thirded for the Scottish/Northumbrian borders - you could get an amazing house up there and it's beautiful.

SionnachGlic · 26/03/2021 23:08

I think the career coach for your husband is a good idea...it would allow him explore options & build his confidence. He has time on his hands now so a good time to get to it. I wouldn't rule out Edinburgh if a new job there for DH might mean you could ease up on yours...or at leadt he & his family would be available if you must continue to travel. It must be hugely disappointing for you that he put faith into the family biz to his detriment it seems. At least your marriage is strong & you support each other so you will find the right solution together.

AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 23:09

In answer to all the "why don't you just move X" questions...DH and I have talked about this. We kind of jointly think it makes no sense because why move away from a "support" network here, where (despite the situation) my parents are available to help w the kids, the cousins for my kids are here, my friends etc. If we go to somewhere random then it's just us on our own, no network, no family, and that's why we left Bham in the first place.

PiL don't know what's going on. They live in Edinburgh. DH too proud to tell them it's failed. Plus his mum (my MIL) is a bit of a busy body so we limit generally anything we tell her.

My dad sticks by mum 100% and also fuels her because he also is involved in the biz.

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EffYouSeeKaye · 26/03/2021 23:11

I think a fresh start and a good distance between you & your mum sounds perfect.

therocinante · 26/03/2021 23:15

@RhubarbTea

Even from the beginning of your post your parents sounded weirdly overinvolved in your lives. I think you should move away, maybe somewhere new, and just start fresh. But don't rush it, you have time to reflect and plan. Great that things with your relationship with DH are going from strength to strength Smile
This. Even the stuff about them doting an unnecessary amount on the children - it's all really controlling.
Schoolchoicesucks · 26/03/2021 23:16

But the answer to "why move away from the support network?" is that you are in a toxic situation with that support network.

Shame about the cousins, but your relationship with your parents is suffering and your dh's relationship with them has broken down completely.

Why does the desire to stay close to them override the benefits of putting some distance between you all?