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What a mess. Just a really, really rubbish situation

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AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 21:12

Ok, so I need to do some scene setting first.

DH and I met whilst working in Birmingham (we just worked there, no family connections whatsoever to the place). We had our child there but always knew we didn't want to raise a family in the city. Shortly after DC1 we made the decision to leave and move to the area where I grew up (which is nowhere near where my DH is from and he has zero connections here). He was driving the move more than I was, saying it would be a nicer area to bring up kids (which it is, it's amazing: rural, beautiful, near very supportive grandparents who look after the kids 3x a week etc).

I had been doing well in my career and I am the main breadwinner. However that means I work away for 2 days a week (incl 1 night). My parents insist they help us and have the grandchildren 2.5x days a week. It's mainly because they literally DOTE on the grandchildren, I have never seen anything like it. They are almost obsessed. But likewise the bond my kids have with them is also very special. Admittedly we could just put the kids in creche a bit more, but (a) my folks would be hurt (they would move heaven and earth to have the kids) and (b) what's the point of living where we are, if we're not using the support network which was one of the plusses of moving up here. Plus I quite like the bond my kids have with my folks.

So that's me and the kids.

DH worked (in Birmingham) in a very city based role, he can only do that work for a corporate city firm. That kind of work is nowhere to be seen where we live now. So, before we moved, after several discussions with my folks, he moved to working with my Mum in her business, which is completely different to anything he's ever done. Not even the skills in his previous city role would have been transferrable, other than perhaps (very loosely) people management. So it's very different to anything he's ever done but he was super keen to get involved.

Mum has grown the business from nothing and it's thriving. She lives and breathes it and has been running it now for nearly 40 years. The original idea was that she would then take a step back and he would take a step up (i.e. the future). She kept saying that the business needed new blood. But it reeeeally hasn't worked out like that.

I can see failings on both sides. She is very abrupt and almost aggressive in the way she deals with people. She's super efficient, operates at 110mph, nothing gets left undone. She's just constantly firing on all cylinders. That said, she can be very scatty and makes mistakes. There are very few processes. V little stored electronically. She operates heavily by bits of paper here n there. No idea how to use spreadsheets etc. All v old school. But clearly it has worked for her because the business is really successful.

DH on the other hand is the total opposite. Calmer, slower, not so engaged with the staff (she's the type that would send any of her staff a generous new baby gift if they had new babies, would know their kids' names etc when she has 70+ staff to manage... he is (well) a stereotypical man and just wouldn't be interested). Her personal touch with staff is what she's really known for. She will roll her sleeves up and get in the thick of it (and is v respected for that), he would probably delegate more.

So they have very different styles. Truth be told, if anything were to happen to Mum tomorrow and he had to step up and take over, I'd have been slightly worried at him running the show (and that's after nearly 4 years of being in the business!).

Now don't get me wrong, there was never any need for them to take him in, we know that. But we didn't quite think it would go as it has. In hindsight I think a lot of it is that (a) she's a VERY had task master, hard to please; and (b) no-one will ever run your own business like yourself so, despite his different management style, he has always (now, in hindsight) been on a bit of a hiding to nothing.

Anyway, the relationship with Mum has become absolutely horrendous over the past 18 months since she has started to pick him up for things he's missing. She says that she's meant to be taking a step back and is paying him to take over her role, yet in reality she's (apparently) working more than ever, until midnight every night to keep things running as she likes it. DH says that there must be a completely different side to the business that she runs that they don't let him in on. Looking at this from afar (and knowing both characters), DH operates very much on a "list" basis. If he has 10 things on his list then that's all he thinks he has on. In reality he probably just doesn't think that far outside the box as to what Mum could be doing at night. On the other hand, I think Mum can be v anal so....

Aaaanyway she called him in a few weeks ago. Basically told him the business is being "restructured". DH would not be doing his current role and they had "created" a new role in another part of the business for him, completely unrelated to what he's been doing - and learning - for the past 4 years. He sees it as them sacking him and creating a made up role for him simply because he's their son in law and because they want us to stay living nearby so they can see the grandchildren. I tend to agree with that, but I also do think he'd be quite well suited to this new role (which I don't think is entirely a "fake" role because it's stuff that needs doing and relates to the future growth of the company, so probably more his bag).

Anyway, after they told him about these new "restructuring" plans, they told him to take a month away from "them" and from the business (!). He has been at home feeling totally lost, upset, hurt. I expected he'd accept that new role and make it work (he admits himself it sounds exciting) but he's decided (and I kinda agree) because of the sheer stress of working for family and he just wants out. He says they've pulled the rug from beneath his feet with his initial role so could do it again, and he's not getting any younger. He is also sick of constantly having to defend himself and how he operates. It's exhausting and I get it.

He has told Mum & Dad that he won't be accepting the new role and they didn't argue back. They said they'd always support him in whatever way they could, but in reality I think they are just relieved that he's out of their hair.

The question is what now. For him. For our family.

We live in a rural area. There are NO roles here which is anything like his previous city based role. He would need to travel at least 1h15 mins each way to the nearest city, and even then it's a small-ish hub that would have satellite corporate offices, not mainstream HQs etc.

He says he's been out of that corporate world now for 4 years so he'll struggle to get anything at the level he previously was at, especially where we're based. Otherwise, there is NADA going. It's demoralising. He's so bright, successful, had a glimmering career in London, and now he's on the floor and doesn't know what to do with himself.

One option (which is heart wants to do) is for us, as a family, to sell up and move to Edinburgh (where he's from) where there would be heaps of jobs (for him), better paid, he'd be close to his family and friends etc. But not for me. It's a different jurisdiction so wouldn't work for my career. As I say, I already spend 1 night 2 days away each week which I could (in paper) still do but it would entail me flying down to work each week. I just don't want to do that. I have young kids. I don't want that stress. Me leaving my job and getting something else up in Edinburgh is also not an option because I've been there for 16 years, I have a good rep there and I'm the main breadwinner. Not that this should be a reason not to move, but it would also kill my parents who live for the grandchildren every week.

We feel a bit lost. He fully supports me not leaving my role. He knows me leaving isn't an option and he keeps saying that. But it's a terrible situation because:

  • where we live now works for me, doesn't work for him job wise. He'd have to make do with anything, which would make him feel even more worthless than he does now (he is at rock bottom)
  • if we go to Edinburgh, it works perfectly for him, but not for me.
  • we don't want to move back to Birmingham, we've done that. We don't want to go back to a city where we have no family connections, we'd just be living there for work. Life is too short.

There are no answers. Just wanted to vent, and I guess any generic thoughts on the situation...

OP posts:
SuePream · 02/04/2021 14:07

OP I think you have been raging at the wrong person - your DH is at fault here, not your parents.

He pushed the move nearer to them, they gave him a fantastic job, free childcare, flexibility and autonomy plus even granted him three weeks of annual leave (which my firm only grants occasionally). He rewarded them by underperforming and coasting, taking time off for appointments without asking, being very flexible with timekeeping, badmouthing them to you and even banning them from seeing their grandchildren during the three week holiday for no reason. You should never have told your mum about this, as that was probably the last straw when she decided not to tolerate his lacklustre performance at work anymore if he didn't even like and respect her.

For those saying that the dynamic is different in a family business - I'm not sure that your mum's business constitutes a "family business" in the usual sense, when it was just your parents plus 70 plus other staff until your DH came along. Your DH's underperforming and pisstaking was probably really demoralising to the other staff members - nepotism and the atmosphere it brings makes for an unbearable working environment. Your parents had to be seen to do something about your DH's performance and treat him as they would every other staff member.

Deep down you do know your DH is at fault here but you don't want to see it, or admit that he is nowhere near as dynamic and capable as you want him to be.

Mylovelyhorsee · 02/04/2021 14:08

I’ve gone back and forth on this thread for who I feel sorry for, I think @AnonymousMamaof2 sounds amazing, very patient and level headed. I’m not sure the husband is lazy, sounds to me
Like undiagnosed learning difficulties for example dyspraxia.

MixedUpFiles · 02/04/2021 14:29

I wouldn’t give up your long-term job.

He should look for jobs in a radius that allows you to keep your job, even if you need to move house and school long-term.

The fact that he enjoyed working for the family business aside from the family dynamics is really important. You have him looking for jobs in his old field. Why? He now has 4 years of experience in another area. His resume is different. If he doesn’t want a corporate desk job then maybe he should be looking at other options. If what he wants is a more freeform managerial role where someone will actually let him take the reins, then he has the resume now to get that job. I don’t know what but jobs like manager at a golf club or a tree nursery are what are popping into my head, but you get the idea. Why limit him to his old field?

olympicsrock · 02/04/2021 15:15

I think your parents have behaved really badly. Your husband should not work for them. You need to take urgent action to prevent your husband being depressed and feeling useless for the rest of his life. This would lead to your divorce.
Take this as an opportunity for him to get counselling, see a careers coach and go with whatever option will help his get another job and regain his self confidence.

Comtesse · 02/04/2021 16:11

It can’t just be the husband - the parents pulled a similar stunt with OP’s sister. Family businesses can be toxic, it’s hard to loosen the reins and let someone else make decisions.

betterfantasia · 02/04/2021 16:40

We all love a story with a villain and a victim but the more the OP posts, the more it sounds like a collection of flawed individuals who probably all need a bit of space from one another.

EarringsandLipstick · 02/04/2021 17:19

@betterfantasia

We all love a story with a villain and a victim but the more the OP posts, the more it sounds like a collection of flawed individuals who probably all need a bit of space from one another.
That's a good point too.
SuePream · 02/04/2021 18:52

@betterfantasia

We all love a story with a villain and a victim but the more the OP posts, the more it sounds like a collection of flawed individuals who probably all need a bit of space from one another.
I disagree - I started off this thread feeling a bit sorry for the DH but the more the OP posts the more annoying he sounds. He is one of those people who meanders through life riding on other people's coattails. Now his dream is to build a house in his own parents' back garden rather than bother to earn the money himself to buy his own plot.
Holly60 · 03/04/2021 15:15

To be honest i think in this situation I would give a move to Edinburgh serious consideration, if you can possibly facilitate doing your job from there. You have tried it near your family home, but it hasn’t worked out. With young children you really do need a family support network. If his family will be that support, it might be worth giving it a go. How about a trial up there?

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