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What a mess. Just a really, really rubbish situation

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AnonymousMamaof2 · 26/03/2021 21:12

Ok, so I need to do some scene setting first.

DH and I met whilst working in Birmingham (we just worked there, no family connections whatsoever to the place). We had our child there but always knew we didn't want to raise a family in the city. Shortly after DC1 we made the decision to leave and move to the area where I grew up (which is nowhere near where my DH is from and he has zero connections here). He was driving the move more than I was, saying it would be a nicer area to bring up kids (which it is, it's amazing: rural, beautiful, near very supportive grandparents who look after the kids 3x a week etc).

I had been doing well in my career and I am the main breadwinner. However that means I work away for 2 days a week (incl 1 night). My parents insist they help us and have the grandchildren 2.5x days a week. It's mainly because they literally DOTE on the grandchildren, I have never seen anything like it. They are almost obsessed. But likewise the bond my kids have with them is also very special. Admittedly we could just put the kids in creche a bit more, but (a) my folks would be hurt (they would move heaven and earth to have the kids) and (b) what's the point of living where we are, if we're not using the support network which was one of the plusses of moving up here. Plus I quite like the bond my kids have with my folks.

So that's me and the kids.

DH worked (in Birmingham) in a very city based role, he can only do that work for a corporate city firm. That kind of work is nowhere to be seen where we live now. So, before we moved, after several discussions with my folks, he moved to working with my Mum in her business, which is completely different to anything he's ever done. Not even the skills in his previous city role would have been transferrable, other than perhaps (very loosely) people management. So it's very different to anything he's ever done but he was super keen to get involved.

Mum has grown the business from nothing and it's thriving. She lives and breathes it and has been running it now for nearly 40 years. The original idea was that she would then take a step back and he would take a step up (i.e. the future). She kept saying that the business needed new blood. But it reeeeally hasn't worked out like that.

I can see failings on both sides. She is very abrupt and almost aggressive in the way she deals with people. She's super efficient, operates at 110mph, nothing gets left undone. She's just constantly firing on all cylinders. That said, she can be very scatty and makes mistakes. There are very few processes. V little stored electronically. She operates heavily by bits of paper here n there. No idea how to use spreadsheets etc. All v old school. But clearly it has worked for her because the business is really successful.

DH on the other hand is the total opposite. Calmer, slower, not so engaged with the staff (she's the type that would send any of her staff a generous new baby gift if they had new babies, would know their kids' names etc when she has 70+ staff to manage... he is (well) a stereotypical man and just wouldn't be interested). Her personal touch with staff is what she's really known for. She will roll her sleeves up and get in the thick of it (and is v respected for that), he would probably delegate more.

So they have very different styles. Truth be told, if anything were to happen to Mum tomorrow and he had to step up and take over, I'd have been slightly worried at him running the show (and that's after nearly 4 years of being in the business!).

Now don't get me wrong, there was never any need for them to take him in, we know that. But we didn't quite think it would go as it has. In hindsight I think a lot of it is that (a) she's a VERY had task master, hard to please; and (b) no-one will ever run your own business like yourself so, despite his different management style, he has always (now, in hindsight) been on a bit of a hiding to nothing.

Anyway, the relationship with Mum has become absolutely horrendous over the past 18 months since she has started to pick him up for things he's missing. She says that she's meant to be taking a step back and is paying him to take over her role, yet in reality she's (apparently) working more than ever, until midnight every night to keep things running as she likes it. DH says that there must be a completely different side to the business that she runs that they don't let him in on. Looking at this from afar (and knowing both characters), DH operates very much on a "list" basis. If he has 10 things on his list then that's all he thinks he has on. In reality he probably just doesn't think that far outside the box as to what Mum could be doing at night. On the other hand, I think Mum can be v anal so....

Aaaanyway she called him in a few weeks ago. Basically told him the business is being "restructured". DH would not be doing his current role and they had "created" a new role in another part of the business for him, completely unrelated to what he's been doing - and learning - for the past 4 years. He sees it as them sacking him and creating a made up role for him simply because he's their son in law and because they want us to stay living nearby so they can see the grandchildren. I tend to agree with that, but I also do think he'd be quite well suited to this new role (which I don't think is entirely a "fake" role because it's stuff that needs doing and relates to the future growth of the company, so probably more his bag).

Anyway, after they told him about these new "restructuring" plans, they told him to take a month away from "them" and from the business (!). He has been at home feeling totally lost, upset, hurt. I expected he'd accept that new role and make it work (he admits himself it sounds exciting) but he's decided (and I kinda agree) because of the sheer stress of working for family and he just wants out. He says they've pulled the rug from beneath his feet with his initial role so could do it again, and he's not getting any younger. He is also sick of constantly having to defend himself and how he operates. It's exhausting and I get it.

He has told Mum & Dad that he won't be accepting the new role and they didn't argue back. They said they'd always support him in whatever way they could, but in reality I think they are just relieved that he's out of their hair.

The question is what now. For him. For our family.

We live in a rural area. There are NO roles here which is anything like his previous city based role. He would need to travel at least 1h15 mins each way to the nearest city, and even then it's a small-ish hub that would have satellite corporate offices, not mainstream HQs etc.

He says he's been out of that corporate world now for 4 years so he'll struggle to get anything at the level he previously was at, especially where we're based. Otherwise, there is NADA going. It's demoralising. He's so bright, successful, had a glimmering career in London, and now he's on the floor and doesn't know what to do with himself.

One option (which is heart wants to do) is for us, as a family, to sell up and move to Edinburgh (where he's from) where there would be heaps of jobs (for him), better paid, he'd be close to his family and friends etc. But not for me. It's a different jurisdiction so wouldn't work for my career. As I say, I already spend 1 night 2 days away each week which I could (in paper) still do but it would entail me flying down to work each week. I just don't want to do that. I have young kids. I don't want that stress. Me leaving my job and getting something else up in Edinburgh is also not an option because I've been there for 16 years, I have a good rep there and I'm the main breadwinner. Not that this should be a reason not to move, but it would also kill my parents who live for the grandchildren every week.

We feel a bit lost. He fully supports me not leaving my role. He knows me leaving isn't an option and he keeps saying that. But it's a terrible situation because:

  • where we live now works for me, doesn't work for him job wise. He'd have to make do with anything, which would make him feel even more worthless than he does now (he is at rock bottom)
  • if we go to Edinburgh, it works perfectly for him, but not for me.
  • we don't want to move back to Birmingham, we've done that. We don't want to go back to a city where we have no family connections, we'd just be living there for work. Life is too short.

There are no answers. Just wanted to vent, and I guess any generic thoughts on the situation...

OP posts:
candlemasbells · 27/03/2021 00:55

Family businesses are really difficult but it does sound as if your DH wasn’t suited to his role and your mother has been picking up the loose ends at night. However she should have pointed out early on what actually needed doing to him rather than doing it herself and her resentment building and it getting to where it is now. It’s very different doing a job to running a business. Job you do what’s in your remit/Jin description. Business you do whatever needs doing, it’s usually multiple things at once.
I don’t think you should move, your life is well set up. You have a good secure job and the children’s lives fit in with it and your parents do any hours childcare. That is something you will find very hard to replace.
Your DH needs a new career/job, maybe he needs to set up a business. Beware though as he’ll either become a small business person overnight when it’s his business or business running might not be for him. Not a criticism it just isn’t for everyone

saraclara · 27/03/2021 00:56

They're not supporting you, they're controlling you.

The fact that you couldn't back your DH in having your holiday time as family time, and you still prioritised your DPs having the children, when clearly your DH wanted you to be together as a family, shows how much your DPs have you under their thumbs.

I'm glad you've supported your DH work-wise, but you really are letting your children's GPs be pseudo-parents.

I think you need to move away from them. I don't think you're going to restore the relationship by staying where you are. You need to regain control over your life and your own family. That's much more important.

RantyAnty · 27/03/2021 00:56

I would say move closer to your work and see if your DH can find a remote position or retrain for something else.

RememberLupeVelez · 27/03/2021 01:00

OP your post's elicited loads of really good, sometimes tough advice.

I agree with those who advise a move to the NE and getting a nanny/au pair.

OK the decision to work in the family business has turned out to be a mistake but it needn't necessarily mean the end of a corporate career. I'm sure he could parlay what he's done over the past few years as an interesting side-step into the world of small business but now he's keen to get back to playing with the big boys again.

But as others have said he does need to think very clearly about whether he genuinely does want to re-embrace that environment. He's far from being the only one to have slipped a few rungs down the ladder in recent times. Perhaps he could retrain as a careers coach with an Air BnB side-hustle?Wink

greenlynx · 27/03/2021 01:09

I agree with betterfantasia, sorry. You need to move and the options are out there. It’s tricky and will make your life less convenient initially but staying where you are won’t be easy either.
Also your mum loves your DC but they are small and easy to control atm. Their relationship might be very different when they are older.

AnotherBoredOne · 27/03/2021 01:18

Move. If you want your family to survive.

Mydogmylife · 27/03/2021 01:18

What a clusterfuck ! Mind you I find it slightly ironic that you mention that you don't say much to your mil as she's a bit of a busybody , yet tell your own mother ( very unwisely imo) about your disagreement re stay cation plans which she then blabs to the entire neighbourhood along with other crap about your DH. I think you need to withdraw from this, and you and your husband stand on your own two feet

Giantrooster · 27/03/2021 01:22

The way you write about you dh's efforts seems colored by your parents view of him. He was starting from scratch learning new skills in a disorganized set up. Perhaps he isn't performing well in his role, but I doubt he was given a chance, ever.

He would never ever have been given a leading role. Considering how your parents feel about inheritance, nobody in their right mind would believe they would leave the reigns to a SIL.

With your initial move and your dh's job, I really really think you sold him up shit's creek. It has all been on your and your parents terms, his self-esteem must be gone.

As lots of pps, if you want to stay married you need to truly remove yourself from your parents. Not sneaking behind your dh's back to satisfy your parents, not under the guise that your dcs need them. Your parents have proven to be both toxic and controlling, I think you need to realize the extend of your bond to them and if you can do this move away, if you want to stay married.

Your dh sounds very patient, but his story sounds an awful lot like the ones you read on MN. Women being removed from family, job, friends, support, having their confidence slowly eroded. They are always told to leave.

I hope you realize how much in the FOG you probably are. Your dh and dc deserve better.

bubblebubblebubbletrouble · 27/03/2021 01:22

You talk about your friends being nearby as a reason to stay, but has DH has the opportunity to create a friendship group since you moved? Otherwise he seems to have sacrificed everything for you and now currently only has you & the children.
He needs to figure out what he wants to do and then you need to figure out a strategy for making best possible win/win.
Personally it sounds like a move away from your parents might be for the best - remember kids will be in school soon so less childcare required (ish).
What opportunities are there near your office that you go to 2 days a week for dh? If you weren't commuting & staying away he could commute? Also in the new wfh world anything is more readily possible.
As the breadwinner though your job is super important for stability.
LinkedIn is dh's friend.

Giantrooster · 27/03/2021 01:23

@Mydogmylife

What a clusterfuck ! Mind you I find it slightly ironic that you mention that you don't say much to your mil as she's a bit of a busybody , yet tell your own mother ( very unwisely imo) about your disagreement re stay cation plans which she then blabs to the entire neighbourhood along with other crap about your DH. I think you need to withdraw from this, and you and your husband stand on your own two feet

This.

Opentooffers · 27/03/2021 02:06

Nice though it is to have support, plenty of parents cope on their own, even single parents often manage.
You say he's need to be in Birmingham or a large city to get back into his old role, and yet, also say he would struggle doing his old role due to a health condition. Sounds like he would be wasting his time looking for work in what he used to do and needs a rethink. However, if he needs a city and your skills don't transfer to Scottish methods, could Newcastle be an option? If you could keep your role, I don't see why you are anti flying ( more pleasant than driving for hours). It's a bit nearer to his family and friends, and it seems like your DH has compromised a lot so far.
Whatever you do, it's good for DC's to attend nursery, make their own friends, and interact with structured play and learning that they provide, so definitely better that than family, especially when you have to go out of your way more to enable your DP's to look after them.

Time40 · 27/03/2021 02:39

they literally DOTE on the grandchildren, I have never seen anything like it. They are almost obsessed [...] I quite like the bond my kids have with my folks

If they seem almost obsessed, do you really think that's healthy, OP?

where we live now works for me, doesn't work for him job wise. He'd have to make do with anything, which would make him feel even more worthless than he does now (he is at rock bottom)

Your DH is at rock bottom. You said it yourself. Living there doesn't work for him. It works for you, and for your parents, but it doesn't for him.

I think you need to move away.

TheNestedIf · 27/03/2021 02:47

You need to do whatever maximises your earning potential. Don't destroy your career for your husband or because of your parents.

gutful · 27/03/2021 02:59

All this for a 1.15hr commute? This is a normal commute for many. You say 45min doesn’t seem long as it’s rural so am confused why this is an issue.

People usually want to stay close to their “support” network because they rely on them. You sound financially OK so can pay for this support. You are so focused on being close to a “support” network when your lifestyle doesn’t actually seem to even require it.

I find it odd out of the entire country you can only possibly consider 2 cities and not try somewhere new, for a fresh start. So what if you don’t know anyone? It sounds like you work a lot anyway & nowhere in your posts do you even mention any friends who you will miss by moving away.

You have been able to live close to your family so it makes sense that if your DH wants to move close to his family it could be something to try. He has sacrificed his career for you, is it not something you can consider for him? Can YOU not get another job?

I see no issue that your DH asked for a reprieve of 3 weeks of seeing them when he was at home & could care for the children. You undermined him & then revealed to your mum he asked for 3 weeks where the family wasn’t dominated by your mother. If the roles were reversed the man would be lambasted on here. But I think you know that was wrong & this is why you are backing your DH.

I feel like because you are so financially well off that you can’t see all the possible options & feel trapped, when in reality you have so many more choices & options available to you that others don’t have.

You later say you could buy a 2nd property & your husband could run an air b&b - to me this suggests that financially you have so many more options than the few you’re focusing on.

Again I just keep rolling my eyes everytime a 1hr commute is mentioned - I have lived in London & from Sydney - this is normal & not even worth factoring in IMO.

Just use some of the money your careers have accumulated, sell up, by another property, do whatever it takes to find a new town or city you both can be excited about & them get the hell out of there.

AnotherBoredOne · 27/03/2021 03:02

@Mydogmylife

What a clusterfuck ! Mind you I find it slightly ironic that you mention that you don't say much to your mil as she's a bit of a busybody , yet tell your own mother ( very unwisely imo) about your disagreement re stay cation plans which she then blabs to the entire neighbourhood along with other crap about your DH. I think you need to withdraw from this, and you and your husband stand on your own two feet
Here here.
notsureofname · 27/03/2021 03:05

Totally agree with @BetterFantasia.

HeartsAndClubs · 27/03/2021 03:24

You are equally if not more responsible for screwing your dh over here.

You moved because of your career and to be near your parents.

You talked dh into working in your parents job and giving up his own career.

You had an argument and took your parents’ side and told them all about it.

And now you don’t want to move because you can’t possibly commute and you still need hour parents to look after the kids.

He’s been sold down the river here by you.

Even now while you claim that your relationship with your parents has broken down it obviously hasn’t because you’re still taking the kids to see them.

I wonder whether it’s more a case of your parents’ relationship with you having broken down rather than the other way around.

If you were genuinely on your DH’s side you would look at moving away from this toxic situation, but it seems that you always have to come first.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 27/03/2021 03:36

Your support network is not very supportive and actively causing you stress and could wreck your marriage. You desperately need to get away from your mum. You are going to feel so much better when you do.

It sounds like going to Edinburgh with his 'busybody' mother who you clearly don't like much would be just out of the frying pan into the fire. It'd be great for him but I think you'd be unhappy.

I say just move somewhere neutral that suits you and DH where you'd like to live. Have a fresh start and fuck them all.

The DC can go and stay with GPs and cousins in the holidays for weeks at a time. When they are school age that is much more valuable and fun for them than day to day childcare. My DC are really close to their cousins despite living 4h away. They are teens now and they are always What's apping and playing Minecraft together. I was the same with my cousins as a kid and we're still emotionally close as adults although we live far apart.

Your parents made their own bed on this one so let them lie in it. The kids will adapt. DH needs a move. You'll be better off out from under your mum. So do what's right for your nuclear family.

gutful · 27/03/2021 03:44

@HeartsAndClubs glad I’m not the only one sensing the selfishness in the OP’s post.

1hr commute boo frikkin hoo !

He seems to have given / put up with a lot for her & family but she refuses to consider any impact to her own work & life.

gutful · 27/03/2021 03:45

She won’t consider moving to Edinburgh as she doesn’t like her MIL - the irony !

timeisnotaline · 27/03/2021 03:49

@AnonymousMamaof2

Can I also just add to this that my parents see no wrong in themselves. Not a bit. They mentioned a few months ago when I saw them on my own and they mentioned they were restructuring that they'd asked their friends what they thought of the situation. Their friends had all unanimously - and independent of each other- said that it's their business and so they should do exactly as they wish. If that meant entirely re writing DH role then so be it.

They are also phrasing it externally as "we wanted to restructure things, so offered him another role elsewhere doing something we thought better suited to him but he didn't accept so what else were we to do!". It's all so dogmatic.

Well it’s your husband and your family so you should do exactly as works for you. ‘Mum you helped me see it clearly when you told dh that was the only role available. It’s your business so the work he’s put in didn’t matter. It’s my family so I can’t prioritise that they are your gc when it doesn’t work for us.’

Just from a corporate london perspective, I was completely comfortable pre pandemic saying I wfh one day a week in job interviews. It wasn’t a negative or something that needed negotiating, it was simply a perfectly acceptable work pattern. I am a woman so companies are more receptive to that, but now after COVID I can’t imagine he can’t say I wfh 2-3 days a week but will stay locally to work one night. And just plan for the accomm cost.

I would also commit to moving in a couple of years if he is doing well, and being prepared to give up your job if he’s settling. The medical issues may make this harder, a very trite suggestion but would an equipped home office - so a standing desk, fit ball, tv screen that the laptop can plug into for conferences etc help?

Fozzleyplum · 27/03/2021 03:49

What a mess! Whilst there is so much to say about who is right and wrong in all of this, your DH's health is the initial consideration in trying to work out what to do next.

You said your DH has a medical issue that was causing him significant problems towards the end of his time in Birmingham, and that issue continues to make a desk job unsuitable. Setting aside what has happened, the time working in the family business has at least given your DH the opportunity to see how a different type of work, fits with his medical condition. Should he be going back to corporate life, now he can see that it was difficult to sustain health-wise, or would he be better changing direction anyway?

Once that is resolved, and it might take time to work out, possibly using a career coach as pps have suggested, then you can consider your options.

The second question will be whether you and he want to be so reliant on/beholden to your parents.

FeelthewrathofthesuperRad · 27/03/2021 03:59

Why can’t you move nearer the area that there will be jobs for your husband, so cut his commute to say 45 minutes and up your commute time. Use nursery or a nanny for child care. Still be relatively near cousins

ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:04

Good God! Christ almighty. How on earth are you having a relationship with a man who your mother has pistol-whipped into being a child??
She has the child 2.5 days a week, yet runs this big bad business?
Your work is more important.
Your DH can't get a job (because you've told him he can't)
You and your family sound like utter hell.

This is pure and utter abuse. On your behalf.

Why can't your husband get a job back in the city again? I mean, unless you want him to be childcare?

This is horrible to read. Like a lot of abusers, you're literate. That alone does not mean you're not capable of abuse. You're totally breaking him down and it's not acceptable.

Your mother sounds like a toxic lady.

ismiseeire · 27/03/2021 04:09

Your husband will leave you. Simple as that. Nobody will put up with that amount of compromise and abuse. I'd give it 2 years.

Your mother needs to be cut out of your lives. She can see her grandchildren on special occasions. It sounds like your DH has been railroaded by you and your mother into giving up his career and working for your mother. Goodness gracious.

If you value your marriage over your mother, I'd stop allowing your mother so much control over your life. It's utterly ridiculous! Fuck the inheritance!!!