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Partner used to use escorts...

199 replies

iwanteggfriedricefuckingpronto · 21/03/2021 00:18

Deal breaker for you or not....

OP posts:
Countingthebeat · 21/03/2021 10:48

@BusyLizzie61

Not, and I dated someone who did and has continued to do so after me.

It's a service. He paid for it. Ultimately, no different to paying for any "health" service, just that there's a stigma attached to it.

I didn't like the concept that there could be vulnerable women who were taken advantage of, but I'm not sure this was the case given these were deemed as high class, who claimed expenses etc, often travel the world etc with their clients. But I may have felt differently to say a kerb crawler prostitute user.

Disgusting comment . You need to educate yourself on why buying sex and women’s bodies is NOT a health service Wow just wow
LiJo2015 · 21/03/2021 10:50

Completely depends on the circumstances.

changingnames786 · 21/03/2021 10:51

@LiJo2015 can you give an example of a circumstance that would be acceptable?

Countingthebeat · 21/03/2021 10:55

‘But I'd have more of an issue with those men who have had multiple ONS, often dozens, and think this is more of a negative character trait than the person paying. And certainly, more dangerous to sexual health.’

And I see that not only do you refer to certain sex workers ad kerb crawlers . You clearly think that some types of sex workers are ok and some not .
What a horrible horrible ignorant attitude
To classify certain sex workers as good and certain ones as bad or women who have ONS as dirty . No feminist are you .
EX WORKERS are NOT THE ISDUE . There are many many reasons women are driven to this work and guess what ? Most of those reasons are not because they have the same opportunities as most men or advantages to earn good income and just decide ‘ nah I’d rather fuck gross men for money instead of earn the same on another job that’s available to me ‘
The issue is the FILTHY JOHNS who think consent can be bought and are happy to pay a woman to have sex with them . A woman who wouldnt touch them with a barge pole if it wernt for him exploiting the fact he has money she doesn’t have.
A health service - holy shit .

LiJo2015 · 21/03/2021 10:55

@changingnames786

Whether we like it or not - some women (and men) do choose to become sex workers. We know nothing about why OP partner used sex workers, but assuming him to be a misogynist or anything similar is completely wrong.

The sex industry is complex. To tar it all with the negatives is reductionist and completely unhelpful.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/03/2021 10:55

But I'd have more of an issue with those men who have had multiple ONS, often dozens, and think this is more of a negative character trait than the person paying. And certainly, more dangerous to sexual health.

You think having sex with lots of consenting women is a more negative character trait than paying for sex with women you can't possibly know aren't abused, trafficked, threatened, coerced etc?

It's the women involved in the scenarios that most other women are concerned about, not the man. I can't imagine thinking that having totally consensual sex with consenting women is somehow worse than paying for perceived consent with a woman when you cannot know if she is genuinely consenting.

TheUndoingProject · 21/03/2021 10:57

Deal breaker. It demonstrates an attitude towards women and towards sexual consent that would repulse me.

NewtoHolland · 21/03/2021 10:59

Deal breaker.

changingnames786 · 21/03/2021 11:13

@LiJo2015 how do punters differentiate between those who want to do it and those who are coerced, trafficked or doing it completely reluctantly but out of necessity?

ladygindiva · 21/03/2021 11:23

Really??? That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

BusyLizzie61 · 21/03/2021 11:23

@Countingthebeat

‘But I'd have more of an issue with those men who have had multiple ONS, often dozens, and think this is more of a negative character trait than the person paying. And certainly, more dangerous to sexual health.’

And I see that not only do you refer to certain sex workers ad kerb crawlers . You clearly think that some types of sex workers are ok and some not .
What a horrible horrible ignorant attitude
To classify certain sex workers as good and certain ones as bad or women who have ONS as dirty . No feminist are you .
EX WORKERS are NOT THE ISDUE . There are many many reasons women are driven to this work and guess what ? Most of those reasons are not because they have the same opportunities as most men or advantages to earn good income and just decide ‘ nah I’d rather fuck gross men for money instead of earn the same on another job that’s available to me ‘
The issue is the FILTHY JOHNS who think consent can be bought and are happy to pay a woman to have sex with them . A woman who wouldnt touch them with a barge pole if it wernt for him exploiting the fact he has money she doesn’t have.
A health service - holy shit .

If a man had multiple ONS, regardless of whom with, my opinion of them is low.

Why exactly is that wrong?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/03/2021 11:32

@BusyLizzie61

You didn't just say you'd have an issue with someone who had multiple ONS.

You said you'd have more of an issue with someone who had multiple ONS than with someone who pays for sex with women when they can't know anything for sure about the welfare of that woman.

I'm not sure why you don't understand people find that a pretty shocking point of view?

minchinfin · 21/03/2021 11:48

God id much rather be with a man that had had multiple consensual ONS than one that had paid for a prostiture. Aside from all the other valid point raise I just feel like men that do it are such losers. I appreciate disability is a separate issue but any able-bodied man that gets sex by paying for it is either a massive loser or has a terrible attitude towards women and is grossly unattractive to them and therefore is not someone I'd be interested in.

jessstan2 · 21/03/2021 12:09

[quote changingnames786]@LiJo2015 how do punters differentiate between those who want to do it and those who are coerced, trafficked or doing it completely reluctantly but out of necessity?[/quote]
I would think the women who want to do it advertise themselves privately or use an agency, maybe more than one agency, and have specific requirements.

changingnames786 · 21/03/2021 12:12

@jessstan2 you think? Can you guarantee that? Does that filter out those who are doing it reluctantly for financial reasons but feel they have no choice? Can that ever truly be consent?

RLEOM · 21/03/2021 12:12

Once an escort user, always an escort user.

changingnames786 · 21/03/2021 12:18

@jessstan2 also, that still wouldn't filter out potential domestic coercion like from a partner?

BitOfFun · 21/03/2021 12:19

I haven't read your other threads, but by the sound of it he has been, well, raping women who are desperate for a fix, and lining his dealer's pockets in the process. I think you can judge a man by the company he keeps, and this is pretty disgusting. To be clear, I am referring to the misogynist male "friend", not the strung-out young women he is pimping.

I do understand that it is difficult to leave an abuser though- do you have any support in real life?

RoseRedRoseBlue · 21/03/2021 12:28

@RLEOM

Once an escort user, always an escort user.
I am not sure that statement can be qualified.
minniemoocher · 21/03/2021 12:38

Depends on the circumstances - just like most aspects of life escorts are not a homogeneous group. I have an old acquaintance that was an escort (now retired v early on her wealth) that's not the same as a drug addict

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/03/2021 13:08

@jessstan2

I would think the women who want to do it advertise themselves privately or use an agency, maybe more than one agency, and have specific requirements.

But a punter can't know if that's the case can they? But they're willing to run the risk the woman is abused / trafficked / coerced / threatened etc. They're willing to risk that being the case to pay to fuck someone. Can you see how that is the issue? Some sex workers are perfectly happy and content doing their job. Many aren't. A punter can't ever genuinely know which of those categories a sex worker is in. But they're willing to risk it to pay to fuck someone. I don't judge sex workers. I judge men who pay to have sex with them.

Do you think many punters would want their partner or daughter to be a sex worker? Even if that punter says women are happy doing it and there's nothing inherently wrong with paying for consent? If not, why not? Entitlement to do what they want to women they don't know and have a different standard for women they do know.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/03/2021 13:10

@minniemoocher

Depends on the circumstances - just like most aspects of life escorts are not a homogeneous group. I have an old acquaintance that was an escort (now retired v early on her wealth) that's not the same as a drug addict
But her clients couldn't definitively know her reasons for being an escort - whether she was pressured or coerced behind the scenes, groomed to do it by someone older and / or abusive...

But those men were willing to run the risk she was in order to pay to have sex with her.

I don't judge her morally, I judge punters morally.

Sstrongtn · 21/03/2021 13:15

Actually even if the man absolutely COULD be sure the woman was making a totally free choice, with no history of anything but a financially stable, well adjusted upbringing so no drivers to choose to sell their body.

I’d still judge him and the at that point I’d actually also judge the sex “worker” for teaching other people than women’s bodies are for sale.

They aren’t.

jessstan2 · 21/03/2021 13:18

youvegottenminuteslynn
They would surely know if they booked the escort from an advertisement. Some do work quite independently.

No I would not want a child of mine to do stuff like that but no child of mine would be so desperate for money as to contemplate it.

Teardrop2021 · 21/03/2021 13:21

Deal beaker for me I find it completely grim.

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