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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

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Onthedunes · 29/05/2021 21:34

Excellent news @R0SEMARY

I've never commented before but am imensly pleased you will no longer have him organise anymore of your time.

These controllers tend to organise your time to work for them, I bet he never used to organise nice times for you!
'Oh dear' is the phrase to use as it has an air of pity to it rather than antagonising him, because I can see him becoming rather conceited over time, if he doesn't find 'new staff' quick enough.

Make sure any pity party is ignored, you know what his following moves will be, he needs a replacement woman to do the 'menial tasks' in life for free, he's too important for that shit don't you know.!
Soon enough the new relacement will be ignored and used as well as you were, then subjected to being the new scapegoat.

These grandious types and bullies always need a scapegoat, poor new woman.

I get it with the stuff, you know you will end up dealing with it, he has no intentions of sorting his now dicarded ex life, he will just move on.

If its not moved within a certain time frame, sell it, car boot it, charity or burn it, once gone you will feel your mood lift, good idea about moving but only if it suits you.

You will be the brunt of all that has broken down, and all that has gone wrong, just shrug it off, don't respond, just smile and say " oh well"

Total NC with the narc daughter and hopefully him, basic communication. I don't think he will try to hoover you back somehow, this man has no heart or empathy, he's just a selfish, self determined nasty unpleasant man.

Well done again, so pleased you have been unchained and can finally relax.

Freedom Flowers

Mix56 · 29/05/2021 21:40

OK, so if he doesn't collect before the holiday, Lock up the house, so he & batshit DIL cannot enter., say it will have to be collected or it goes to the tip at his cost, (deduct from divorce settlement if necessary)
I agree, he is so completely incapable, he could leave the oven on, water open, or other........

Beancounter1 · 29/05/2021 21:45

Hi,
Maybe get your lawyer to write to him that if it is not moved by X date, you will consider it abandoned and be at liberty to dispose of it yourself.

Then sell what you can of it - you may as well get some money back. Maybe the teens can have free rein to sell any bits on the internet and keep the money.

Don't let him in your house when you are not there - please change the locks ASAP

Knittedfairies · 29/05/2021 21:49

'John learns adulting' would make a great adult Ladybird book OP; you've got half of it written already.

VettiyaIruken · 29/05/2021 22:11

I bet he'll end up taking some and expecting you'll simply keep the rest in your house for years and years.

waitingforthenextseason · 29/05/2021 22:12

I would change all the locks before you go. If you could add a security system where the police would show up if it goes up while you're gone, bonus!

FantasticButtocks · 29/05/2021 22:19

Can I just say that I believe @R0SEMARY is handling this beautifully, already. I have no doubt she has the absolute measure of John, and will be handling the rest of this in her own inimitable style.

Oh @R0SEMARY you are brilliant with your updates about John learning about the real life adult world!! I'm enjoying your quiet amusement when he says these things 

Bravo! Star

Serpenta · 29/05/2021 22:23

I hope this thread gives hope and encouragement to other women stuck in similarly awful marriages.

grapewine · 29/05/2021 22:54

@Knittedfairies

'John learns adulting' would make a great adult Ladybird book OP; you've got half of it written already.
This made me laugh! Grin
StrangeLookingParasite · 29/05/2021 23:01

“ What do you mean - no? Do you expect me to cancel them ? “

Yes, I do. Or make some other arrangement. This is not my problem.

Ellmau · 29/05/2021 23:09

I’m a bit worried about you going on holiday tbh. Even if you change the locks, what if he tells a locksmith it’s his house?

numberoneson · 29/05/2021 23:16

@bombastical

Copy the link to this thread. Send it to her in an email. Don’t say anything else. Just send the link and “I hope you’ll read this. It’s very important” Don’t get involved in a slanging match or a back and forth. Keep your powder dry. Your husband is a nasty nasty man. You deserve better than this. There’s something very very wrong with him. If it was me, I’d say no more to him about anything. Ever. Do not get involved anymore about the wedding. Cancel everything. If he’s going, he can make his own arrangements. Get as much money back for things as you can. You cannot win this one. He’s fucked you over. You’ve been chucked under the bus. I’m actually struggling to know what to say because I’ve never read anything quite so deliberately nasty. Do nothing for him. Why don’t you divorce him? Your kids are now teens. Send them the link to this thread too so he doesn’t and can’t do the same to them. He’s going to ruin your entire life if you don’t get rid of him and go absolutely zero contact with him. You cannot do anything with a person like him apart from cut him off. From today he is dead to you.
Absolutely everything that bombastical said makes perfect sense. This is exactly the advice I'd give you too.
SheilaWilcox · 29/05/2021 23:24

I'm grinning reading this thread. I can almost feel how relieved I'd feel if I could get rid of all my husband's crap!

You're doing great.

I have to say, I'd be tempted to go through every draw and cupboard in the place removing his crap and putting everything in one place that could be accessed from outside, like the garage or shed, and never letting him in again!

Loving the 'John Learns To Adult' updates.

Cherrysoup · 29/05/2021 23:30

Change the locks, no way should he have access while your away, that’s asking for trouble!

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 23:37

Thank you all you lovely vipers.

Someone asked about Helen. I’ve not heard a single word from her since the showdown Zoom call where John admitted he’d been lying to her. And I don’t expect to hear from her ever again TBH.

Which is a great relief.

She has also not been in contact with the teens, not even to ask how how they are in the week that their father has left. Except to send a link on the family WhatsApp group to her latest social media post about her cats.

Two of the three kids have had major exams but she’s not bothered to ask about them either. Funny that, given how she spent weeks declaring how important they were to her and that her wedding would be ruined without them.

Re John - my only update is that he came home tonight complaining that he has spent £65 on cleaning products / equipment/ kitchen roll / laundry / dishwasher tables in Aldi and who knew they were so expensive.

I assume these are for the cleaners who are coming next week because goodness knows he won’t use them. Apparently he’s very upset at how dirty his new house is - he says that everything ( carpet, banister, woodwork, hard flooring, kitchen cupboards, worktop ) is sticky.

He walked round our kitchen insisting that I run my hand over the surfaces, saying

“Feel that - it’s not sticky is it? Why is everything in their house sticky? Why? I don’t understand it “.

I can’t tell you how hard it was to reply “ Oh dear “. It reminded me of this video

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Calmate · 29/05/2021 23:41

OP, I just wanted to express my support, up thread you said you had no interest in weddings, that you had pretended for 3 years and that your stepdaughter is a bridezilla, please reassure yourself that if, preferably when you go your separate ways from your husband, you need not bother with your step daughter again. Unshackle yourself and live your life, you have been a people pleaser for too long. I had a similar problem with my recent ex's daughter, she is a toxic cow and i am well rid of both of them.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 29/05/2021 23:51

I laughed out loud at that video! And at the idea of John learning to ‘adult’.

Please think about changing the locks or (even better) getting a house sitter while you are away.

I completely understand that you don’t want to be responsible for ‘helping’ him pack up his crap but in the long run it might be a better option and clear the house quicker.

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 23:53

@Calmate - I’m sorry to hear you’ve had similar problems with your former partners daughter.

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GAHgamel · 29/05/2021 23:58

Adding to the chorus of "change the locks" here, and as we're coming up to the thread limit, suggest you open a new "John Learns to Adult" post for follow-ups, as it has the makings of comedy gold.

sillysmiles · 29/05/2021 23:58

@r0semary please continue this thread on/start a new thread with updates once this thread is full.

FakeColinCaterpillar · 30/05/2021 00:03

Genuinely laughed at that video....

I think you need to set your boundaries and keep to them. I feel like X is constantly going to want attention/advice/help and then to try and wheedle his way back in - or get a new woman of course

Eggshausted · 30/05/2021 00:13

Good luck with everything.

R0SEMARY · 30/05/2021 00:13

New thread here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4257752-John-learns-to-adult?watched=1

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 30/05/2021 07:43

@YouJustDoYou

"Him

“ The dishwasher [ in his new house ] is DISGUSTING! Its even dirty on the control panel and all down the sides . I mean , how does it even get like that ? I’ve never seen ours like that ! “

Me “ Thats because I clean it every week “.

Him

Wait til he finds out about the soap powder dispenser in the washing machine and the lint filter in the tumble dryer"

I genuinely laughed out loud at this

Wait until the dishwasher starts to stink because he hasn't even thought to clean the filter . . .
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