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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
Notaroadrunner · 29/05/2021 13:28

Fantastic updates @R0SEMARY but for the love of God do not allow him access to your house when you are away. As soon as he steps out your door to his new place, change the locks on all external doors. And don't ever give him a key for any reason. He has no business being in your house while you are not there. He needs to organise and pay for a removal service who will come in, pack his rubbish and bring it to his new place. Even if half of it won't fit in his new place that is not your problem. Make sure every bit of his stuff is gone with him once he leaves your house. Otherwise you'll be left emptying the attic etc and paying to dump his crap. And stop answering his mundane texts about his new found 'problems' (dirty fridge, delivery times that don't suit etc) - what a fucking manchild. You are well rid!

KatherineSiena · 29/05/2021 13:30

This is great to read. I lurked on your thread earlier in the year and was horrified for you; your ex and his daughter are truly horrible. I’m so pleased that you are extricating yourself and that your children are staying with you.

You sound so sensible and aware but please heed PPs comments about any paperwork and valuables (including things he might deem valuable and might take or damage).

I hope you have a great holiday and best wishes for your future happiness. 💐

RandomMess · 29/05/2021 13:47

I am so thrilled with your update!

Please tell me you have a locksmith booked for his moving out date?? Also do not give the DC keys so he can't pressure them into giving him on.

Do not be surprised if he still expects to come back and forth as suits him etc.

katy1213 · 29/05/2021 13:49

Sorry, I realise I posted before realising that things have moved on. You can feel the lightness here now this deadweight is out of your life. Well, maybe not out of your life completely - but you're going to have fun as he realises what life is like without live-in staff and a personal concierge service!

SortingItOut · 29/05/2021 13:54

In terms of important paperwork I'm thinking passports,birth certificates, marriage certificate, pension paperwork, wage slips/P60s/accounts if self employed or Ltd.
If you write passwords down the book its written in.
Anything about the house such as mortgage statements, deeds if you have them (or copies).
Any legal paperwork linked to your divorce including the house being in your name.
Anything of the kids from school like certificates or pictures.

Too be fair I'd probably take the whole filing cabinet to someone's house😂

Haffdonga · 29/05/2021 14:05

Congratulations and commiserations Rosemary. Ending a 20 year marriage can't be easy however necessary. I hope you're feeling ok.

2 thoughts on what you've said.

  1. He will not clearly pack or take his own shit so you will end up having to do it yourself either now or later. I would help him now by buying some large packing boxes and chuck in ALL his junk so the removers can remove it and him on Tuesday,
  2. How can anybody not be able to get food until somebody else has cleaned their fridge? How the other half do live!

So well rid.

diddl · 29/05/2021 14:06

If it's your house now & he has his own place I agree you need to stop letting him piss about.

Removals can literally be a phone call to organise & he need do nothing else!

IntoAir · 29/05/2021 14:14

It’s actually quite amusing watching him learn adulting. In the last 5 mins he has learned about this thing called Waiting In for a Delivery.

Fantastic update @ROSEMARY and I"m particularly laughing out loud at your description of his learning curve.

Please, please don't help him. Ever again.

It may be too late now, but could you have something written into the house purchase contract that he clears his junk? Whenever I've bought a house, I've always insisted that the contract include something about leaving the house completely cleared - had my fingers burnt with a purchase where the owner left piles of utter nasty rubbish (which no-one would want to touch without gloves ...)

Anydreamwilldo12 · 29/05/2021 14:15

You, Rosemary are bloody amazing. Enjoy your wonderful new life.

timeisnotaline · 29/05/2021 14:21

This has been a very satisfying read. I’m so excited for your new life op!

Mix56 · 29/05/2021 14:21

I agree, it would be worth getting dozens of big boxes, rolling up your sleeves, & getting all his shit packed, to get it out, he can sort through it at his leisure in his own house, & what he doesn't want he can get rid of at his own expense. clothes can go in black bin bags !
you know what he will do, he will take what he wants now & then say he will come back for the rest. You will never get rid of it. & it leaves it open to him returning

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 29/05/2021 14:27

@R0SEMARY

YY *@EL8888*, it’s defo about control. He will find it hard to accept it’s not his house anymore and he doesn't get to control things.

It’s actually quite amusing watching him learn adulting. In the last 5 mins he has learned about this thing called Waiting In for a Delivery.

“ Rosemary - I’ve just had a text from the sofa delivery company saying they will be there between 10 and 2 today. So how is that going to work? How do I know what time they will be there? I can’t be expected to sit in an empty house for 4 hours just waiting for them, I have things to do”.

Me “ oh dear “.

I honestly think he expected me to say “ OF COURSE you are busy today, how inconsiderate of them. Give me the keys and I’ll do it for you”.

So he is already away to his new place, shocked and appalled at how hard life can be. Grin

I LOVE this so much!

Oh dear oh dear oh dear - welcome to the REAL world, "John", where you have to pull your finger out yourself and deal with shit like the rest of us!! Grin

@R0SEMARY I am absolutely thrilled to read your update - bloody well done to you! I do hope you manage to get all of his detritus out of the house and retrieve his key in very short order - although I think I would be changing the locks anyway, just in case he has a spare, and just in case his awful daughter also has one.

Can't tell you how big the grin on my face was when I read your update, but imagine the Cheshire cat and you're about halfway there Grin

BertramLacey · 29/05/2021 14:29

So he’s only kept it to annoy / control me. It’s not like he cares about it. He cares about being the boss and being in charge.

It's basically a more hygienic version of pissing on his territory. Just watch though that he doesn't 'accidentally' take stuff of yours out of spite. Anything of any sentimental value I would take round to a friend's before you go away so he cannot get at it.

Billybagpuss · 29/05/2021 14:31

So pleased to read this update it has made me smile 😊

RandomMess · 29/05/2021 14:35

I think hire a skip the day he is moving out and he can see you Chuck "his" stuff into it - that's his chance to claim it that he can't deny later on.

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 29/05/2021 14:39

Another one loving your updates!

Duchess379 · 29/05/2021 14:41

Omg, I can't believe your 'not so DH' can be such an arse! Dreadful man. Send him to the wedding alone. When he's gone, change the locks, pack his stuff & leave it on the driveway. 😠

warmandtoasty2day · 29/05/2021 14:43

must admit i haven't read the whole thread only op but i'm so glad for you that you and your dc are getting out of this toxic situation. Now you can move on and enjoy your lives. All the very best to you Flowers

howtocomplain · 29/05/2021 14:44

He cares a lot about power , money, control and his image

Then prepare for him to try to screw you in a divorce. Well done for removing documents. Are there also devices in your house which he could use to access any financial info of yours?

Once he's gone, change the locks!

SunshineCake · 29/05/2021 14:48

I am so sorry for all you have gone through but how wonderful you are now free of him and his awful daughter.

Number3BigCupOfTea · 29/05/2021 14:49

So delighted for you @R0SEMARY 🥳

ArrrMeHearties · 29/05/2021 14:49

Just read your thread from start to finish, you are an absolute legend OP 🤩🤩

Elllicam · 29/05/2021 14:51

Congratulations Rosemary I’m so glad you are rid of that horror and his daughter.

Serpenta · 29/05/2021 15:01

Wow, I've just read through all your posts, OP. BLOODY DELIGHTED you've cut this cancer of a man and his awful daughter from your life. You must feel as carefree as a spring lamb!

Serpenta · 29/05/2021 15:02

Definitely agree with changing the locks. He will no doubt still feel he has the right to let himself into your house.

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