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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

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lobsterkiller · 29/05/2021 07:57

I cant believe how hard this must have been but also how much of a relief it must be that you can get on with your life in peace. There will be dark days ahead, no doubt and i wish you and your children all the best.

MrsSquirrel · 29/05/2021 08:03

@SortingItOut

Excellent news that you are nearly rid of him.

When does the house become yours?
If it is before your holiday I wouldnt be letting him in the house unaccompanied.

What if he takes items that are not his?
Goes through all your paperwork and takes important documents?

Well done R0SEMARY Flowers

Sorry to have to say that I agree with pp, I would not be letting him into the house unaccompanied. You can't trust him.

Beautiful3 · 29/05/2021 08:17

Hi, I remembered seeing your post back in February, and wondered how you were doing. I'm sorry you had to go through this. You did the right thing by separating. He brought nothing to your relationship apart from lies. I wish you all the best.

Hathertonhariden · 29/05/2021 08:22

I echo the 'don't let him in unaccompanied' advice. Do you have a garage that you could stick all his stuff in and then change the locks on he house? More work and inconvenience for you but it would protect your stuff and at least the house would be the way you wanted it.

Enko · 29/05/2021 08:34

great update Rosemary :)

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 08:43

@SortingItOut

Excellent news that you are nearly rid of him.

When does the house become yours?
If it is before your holiday I wouldnt be letting him in the house unaccompanied.

What if he takes items that are not his?
Goes through all your paperwork and takes important documents?

This is an excellent point. The house is already legally mine as I have bought him out and he has bought his new house. But he’s sleeping here for a few more days as he’s not booked the removers until next week.

So if I made him move out he would have no furniture, bed , sofa etc . Which of course would make me look like the bad guy with the kids, as well as causing a lot of drama.

I will give some thought to securing essential paperwork. We have already agreed what furniture etc he will take and he doesn’t want very much - he’s already ordered a whole house full of new things to be delivered to his new place next week.

So I don’t think he will take extra things . Most of our furniture/ household goods are quite old and a lot came from our own homes before we married 20 years ago. There’s nothing especially valuable or special.

He cares a lot about power , money, control and his image . But not a lot about bookcases or sofas.

The house is full of his junk because he can’t be arsed to get rid of it and he won’t let me do it because he’s controlling . There’s stuff I’ve been begging him to get rid of for years and he’s refused.

Then when we were planning his move, he said “ I will go through the attic / basement / garage and choose the things I want to take “ .

I said “ No way, you need to take all your stuff “.

He then informed me it was in fact a load of junk ( what I’ve been telling him for years ) and it could mostly be thrown out. He assumed it was my job to get rid of it .

So he’s only kept it to annoy / control me. It’s not like he cares about it. He cares about being the boss and being in charge.

So I think it’s more likely that I will get home from holiday and discover half of it is still here.

I agree it’s not an ideal arrangement but if I start to be difficult he will know it’s an issue for me and he will be even worse. ATM he’s trying to be Mr Nice Guy in front of the kids.

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MrsSquirrel · 29/05/2021 09:09

Maybe you could ask a friend to hold onto your essential paperwork while you are away.

Sounds like he will do whatever he thinks will cause you maximum annoyance. Just rise above it and look forward to your future.

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 09:39

Thanks for flagging up the essential paperwork issue - I’m going to move it today from its usual place and then to my sister’s house tomorrow. Just in case.

BTW STBX has just informed me that the removers who are coming on Tuesday are not packing, only moving. So he wants the kids to spend their weekend helping him pack and drive things back and forward to his new house.

They said yes with their mouths and no with their actions. Even the one who is upset about him leaving has gone into town to meet their friends.

Apparently STBX didn’t understand Hmm the quotation he got from the removal company. He is so used to my organising everything for him.

His usual game of “ I just assumed ......” isn’t working for him.

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EL8888 · 29/05/2021 09:51

Great updates! Glad he is fucking off. I’m amused by his inability to understand the moving quotes. I also echo supervising what he takes. When he’s eventually gone then you need to change the locks do he doesn’t “pop back for some things he forgot”. But really is having a snoop and still trying to exert control

lighteincastlewindow · 29/05/2021 10:00

Well done @R0SEMARY; a great update, onwards and upwards , the sadness yet the relief you must be feeling, a bright positive road lies ahead.

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 10:01

YY @EL8888, it’s defo about control. He will find it hard to accept it’s not his house anymore and he doesn't get to control things.

It’s actually quite amusing watching him learn adulting. In the last 5 mins he has learned about this thing called Waiting In for a Delivery.

“ Rosemary - I’ve just had a text from the sofa delivery company saying they will be there between 10 and 2 today. So how is that going to work? How do I know what time they will be there? I can’t be expected to sit in an empty house for 4 hours just waiting for them, I have things to do”.

Me “ oh dear “.

I honestly think he expected me to say “ OF COURSE you are busy today, how inconsiderate of them. Give me the keys and I’ll do it for you”.

So he is already away to his new place, shocked and appalled at how hard life can be. Grin

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EL8888 · 29/05/2021 10:07

@R0SEMARY loving these further updates. But yeah l think he would struggle to accept it’s not his house anymore, once he has left then boundaries need to be clearly laid down

Sounds like he’s currently having a crash course on adulting and how the modern world works (Yep waiting in for deliveries for hours is tiresome!)
I don’t know if it’s a bank holiday where you are but hopefully it is so you can watch the show / him trying to get to grips with things

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 10:14

You’ll also enjoy

“ I can’t sit there for 4 hours there’s nothing to eat in the place “.

“ So why don’t you go to the shops and buy some food ? “

“ But I don’t have time, I have to be there in 15 mins “

“ Ok so take some food from my fridge “

“ I can’t - the fridge and cooker are dirty . I’ve phoned a cleaning company but they can’t send anyone until Tuesday “.

So John learns about holiday weekends . And the impossibility of cleaning one’s own fridge .

BTW I know I did the wrong thing trying to help him solve his problems. I’m trying to stick with “ Oh dear “ now.

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goody2shooz · 29/05/2021 10:18

Or you could try, ‘I’m sure you’ll manage’ - with or without the eye roll.....

diddl · 29/05/2021 10:19

A delivery slot of only 4hrs-lucky him!

You are still far too kind to him!

FantasticButtocks · 29/05/2021 10:24

I think "oh dear" is an excellent one! Grin

Well done @R0SEMARY

PearlclutchersInc · 29/05/2021 10:25

Just reading through this, the fact that all his stuff is still in your house should be a worry.

I'd bite the bullet and tell him he needs to get everything out by a given date and if he doesn't get a clearance company to clear it all wholesale. Otherwise he'll be back and forwards for ever after.

EL8888 · 29/05/2021 10:27

Exactly, that slot isn’t bad. I often end up with 8-6 slot

“Oh dear” is perfect. Then leave the vicinity of where he is and do what you want to do

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 10:34

Him

“ The dishwasher [ in his new house ] is DISGUSTING! Its even dirty on the control panel and all down the sides . I mean , how does it even get like that ? I’ve never seen ours like that ! “

Me “ Thats because I clean it every week “.

Him

Wait til he finds out about the soap powder dispenser in the washing machine and the lint filter in the tumble dryer.

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GU24Mum · 29/05/2021 10:44

Hello,
I remember your posts and thought it sounded a bit grim. Well done for taking what must have seemed like a hard step and sorting things out. Best wishes for the future - you'll be in control for once and free of the toxic ex and stepdaughter.
Also amused about the crash course your ex will need in domestic duties ......

Mummyoflittledragon · 29/05/2021 10:44

You sound like a different woman. I’m so glad you’ve come back to tell us you’re getting rid of this millstone. I hope your today’s posts are making you laugh as much as they are me? Smile

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 10:45

@EL8888

Exactly, that slot isn’t bad. I often end up with 8-6 slot

“Oh dear” is perfect. Then leave the vicinity of where he is and do what you want to do

Any slot is a bad slot if you have never in your life waited in for a delivery before. Because you have staff to do these things.

In the past, large items came to the house and I had to wait in for them and work from home. Small items went to his work.

He tried to get 4 beds and mattresses delivered here ( to my house ) last week because he was abroad for work. He was most put out when I said no.

“ What do you mean - no? Do you expect me to cancel them ? “

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Groovee · 29/05/2021 10:56

Loving the updates and about Kohn learning about real life.

mamas12 · 29/05/2021 11:05

Sounds like you’re doing well
Don’t forget if he does leave any of his stuff that will clutter your house After you come back from hols then give him a deadline of when to pick it up - meaning the rest of your stuff will be on the lawn at x time In x date

mamas12 · 29/05/2021 11:06

And change the locks and prep the kids that this is not his home anymore , do you get a key to come and go I. His house? No