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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2021 15:04

It's fairly easy to fit padlocks on doors so that he can't enter a few rooms in the house. Although I 15th just shoving all his crap into big boxes and leaving them in the garage and not allowing access to the house. You could label them with a sharpie, "attic crap", "shite from under the stairs", "miscellaneous nonsense", "WTF is this?". I wouldn't see it as 'helping' because it's worse to unpack disorganised boxes than pack them.

Or be an adult. But I wouldn't.

Glad to hear the children have voted with their feet. And that you're doing so well.

Sally872 · 29/05/2021 15:05

Brilliant update. Really pleased for you Rosemary. Well done 👏

Cherrysoup · 29/05/2021 15:07

Has he taken all the crap out of the loft/basement? If not, I would happily box it up and send it to his new address.

Cactuslockdown · 29/05/2021 15:33

Well done @R0SEMARY so pleased to stumble back upon this thread. I wish you lots of happiness in your happy, clutter-free home Smile

Knittedfairies · 29/05/2021 15:34

Well done @R0SEMARY! Another chiming in to say get all his stuff out of the house - be it in boxes or a heap on the drive - before the removal men come on Tuesday. You don't want any of his stuff inside your house after he's gone for good.

RandomMess · 29/05/2021 15:40

I can't quite work out the timings of your holiday but PLEASE do not even consider letting him move out without you there OR leave him able to enter your property afterwards.

He is so controlling and abusive DO NOT TRUST him, even if it means cancelling your holiday. The havoc he could wreak is huge.

NeedNewKnees · 29/05/2021 15:41

Delighted by your updates, Rosemary. Here's to a happy life without idiot STBX in it.

DartmoorDoughnut · 29/05/2021 15:43

Whooop!! Nice job @R0SEMARY Grin

grapewine · 29/05/2021 15:48

I remember this thread. I was horrified. Well done for getting out from under this twat. Your recent posts were so satisfying to read. Good for you and good luck to you and the children.

Orgasmagorical · 29/05/2021 15:55

My cupboards are clean, tidy and organised. I don’t think I’m particularly house proud and I didn’t really know how much all his mess and junk bothered me. I thought I was used to it. Turns out I wasn’t. Already I feel lighter.

I hear you. My ex was the same, he kept all manner of shite and I was so glad to be getting rid of it. It got to the stage where I couldn't bear to have him come back for any more so I hired a removal company who took it to him, at his expense. Turned out said company had to come back for the rest of the rubbish things he had treasured for so long and he had to pay hundreds of pounds for it to be delivered. He ended up taking much of it to the council tip Grin

I agree that you should change your locks ASAP and do not allow your ex unaccompanied access, especially if life's not going so well with his cruddy dishwasher, they can tend to get a bit grumpy in those circumstances and who knows what sort of revenge he'll think you deserve.

Orgasmagorical · 29/05/2021 15:56

PS Great to read your updates though, Rosemary Smile

MotherFuckerzzzz · 29/05/2021 16:10

I'd be tempted to change the locks now if the house is in your name and not give him a key, then as he's staying in YOUR house he can only come and go at your convenience.

Mix56 · 29/05/2021 16:14

oh & Make sure he doesn't leave with the internet box, as someone did this week even though his internet hadn't been connected !
Also watch for him removing, all the dish washing, clothes washing products ,etc brooms, various useful house hold stuff !

& check there is no joint cloud on your computer/ipad/phone.
Make sure he hasn't got your phone location activated
Make sure you change all your important "log ins", you don't want him nosing about in your affairs.

Hawkins001 · 29/05/2021 16:33

All the best op, I'm intrigued to see if the wedding goes ahead. A

Tistheseason17 · 29/05/2021 16:42

Really pleased he is moving out.
Please change the locks asap - he likes power and control and will take opportunity to return when he wants to - don't let him!

And good for your children - they can see him for how he is with them and you.

Theunamedcat · 29/05/2021 16:51

Change all your log ins and make sure he usnt using your Google drive and they save to the Google drive because it syncs across all devices

Pack his shit up and put it in the garage for him change the locks on the house

Outbutnotoutout · 29/05/2021 16:56

Amazing news, bloody well done

But I wouldn't let him in the house while you're away

LannieDuck · 29/05/2021 17:07

I find it hard to imagine getting to his age and not knowing how to adult.

I think you're going to find your life so much easier and calmer once he's gone.

Immunetypegoblin · 29/05/2021 17:10

I have no idea how you're managing to not beam from ear to ear every time you help him remove himself from your life. Or are you just beaming regardless?! I so would be Grin

GabsAlot · 29/05/2021 17:11

nice one @R0SEMARY so happy to read this update

like others have said good riddance-i wouldnt let him in when youre on holiday though you dont know what he'll do

Ellie56 · 29/05/2021 17:18

Yes definitely pack up his shite ready for the removal men to take. Then change the locks. You certainly do not want the twat accessing YOUR house when you aren't there.

Glad you've got rid and the DCs can see him for what he is.

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/05/2021 17:26

@Theunamedcat

Change all your log ins and make sure he usnt using your Google drive and they save to the Google drive because it syncs across all devices

Pack his shit up and put it in the garage for him change the locks on the house

Change the passwords and change the user name to "nice try fuckface".

I mean don't really but do change the passwords. Have you got Netflix and any sharing services in your sole name?

LookItsMeAgain · 29/05/2021 17:38

I am in awe. I've read the whole thread and it is honestly like reading different threads by different women.
I wouldn't be allowing him access to the house after he leaves. He doesn't get to keep a set of your keys. Is he giving you a set of keys to his place? No?? Then he doesn't get a set to yours.

I'm really pleased that neither you nor your kids are going to Helen's wedding. As I was reading the thread I was thinking "Poor Katy - she doesn't know what she's letting herself in for", but then again, maybe she does.

Keep going - you're doing brilliantly!!!

Enough4me · 29/05/2021 17:52

Your X and Helen are controllers and love it and no doubt will both over the forthcoming years try to catch you with manipulative 'hooks'. You must ignore where possible or stick with the "oh dear" non-commitment, I'm too busy to be involved replies (use the grey rock technique). They will even try to manipulate you through your DCs, but you are right the best way to keep your DCs safe is to not control their decisions and let them see the truth themselves. Let's be honest you have been the stable parent all along and DCs can be fine with 1 parent showing honest adult behaviour. They will trust you, if you don't join in the lies.

I say this as someone who's exH still tries 6-year on to manipulate me. I only respond factually about DC and no response to anything else.

Aim to fill your time with genuine and honest people to undo their insanity.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/05/2021 17:53

I 1,000,000th advice to NOT let him have access to your house when you aren't there. A clean and tidy house can 'reveal' things that he might decide he 'needs' that would be hidden in a cluttered mess. That lovely wine carafe that was hidden on the sideboard cluttered with his crap will be highly visible on a clean and uncluttered surface. You may come home to items that you prize missing.

Congratulations!

The locks should be changed as soon as he leaves. In fact, I'd get a kick out of having the locksmith coming up the walk as Mr Useless leaves for the final time.