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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
RonSwansonsChair · 29/05/2021 11:17

Oh wow, what a great update! Well done @R0SEMARY.
I remember reading your thread when it first started and being gobsmacked by it all! I'm glad you are moving on with your life, things are definitely looking up!!!

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 11:35

He’s just appeared at my door to collect something he forgot. Apparently if the delivery company arrive when he’s away they will phone him. He assumes.........

He’s going to be the happy recipient of one of those little cards “ Sorry we missed you. Please call this number to reschedule your delivery “.

OP posts:
Jumpingintosummer · 29/05/2021 11:42

So happy for you, the future is looking much brighter!

diddl · 29/05/2021 11:47

"He’s going to be the happy recipient of one of those little cards “ Sorry we missed you. Please call this number to reschedule your delivery“"

Fingers crossed!Blush

RonSwansonsChair · 29/05/2021 11:48

He’s going to be the happy recipient of one of those little cards “ Sorry we missed you. Please call this number to reschedule your delivery “

Oh I sooooo want this to happen!!!! GrinGrin

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 11:52

This morning I am ‘helping’ him by removing all his ugly old fashioned art work from the walls and replacing with my pictures which have been sitting in a box for years. It already makes the house look more like mine. And avoids that empty feeling if the walls are all bare ( except for random nails and shadows) when we get back from holiday.

Yesterday I ‘helped’ him by clearing the kitchen cupboard of all his ancient packets, jars and cans which he would never let me throw out. The spices from 2015 and the multiple packets of dried food that he opens because he CBA to look for one that’s already opened.

My cupboards are clean, tidy and organised. I don’t think I’m particularly house proud and I didn’t really know how much all his mess and junk bothered me. I thought I was used to it.

Turns out I wasn’t.

Already I feel lighter.

OP posts:
Lulola · 29/05/2021 11:58

and the lint filter in the tumble dryer.

Probably when his new house is burning down around him. Although we are assuming he will wash his own clothes. If you have a daughter please don’t let him rope her in to doing “wife work”

NettleTea · 29/05/2021 12:06

oh these updates are a joy to read. Onwards and upwards Rosemary

R0SEMARY · 29/05/2021 12:14

@Lulola

and the lint filter in the tumble dryer.

Probably when his new house is burning down around him. Although we are assuming he will wash his own clothes. If you have a daughter please don’t let him rope her in to doing “wife work”

That will be if he doesn’t die of food poisoning from not throwing out out of date food in the fridge. Or dysentery from not cleaning the loo or the kitchen bin.
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FakeColinCaterpillar · 29/05/2021 12:31

I remember your OP and have enjoyed reading through your posts this morning.

Like someone else said, change your locks. Children are old enough to arrange own contact with him, so you need to have little to do with him now.
I’d find a phrase to repeat every time he asks you to do something for him ‘that’s not my job anymore’ kinda thing. Maybe repetition with make him listen.

So happy for you to make your home your own.

Dontbeme · 29/05/2021 12:33

Although he’s not taking it now, apparently he’s moving all that in a few weeks when I ( Covid permitting ) go on holiday with the children

Eh No, no he doesn't get to access the house when you're not there, no he doesn't get to keep a spare set of keys "just in case", no he doesn't get to collect his shit in dribs and drabs trying to keep you hanging about on his timetable and keep you and the kids stuck in his drama. If the house is now legally yours he moves out today, no furniture in his new house that's his problem to sort, he can go to a hotel for a few nights or kip at a friend's house, that's his problem to sort out.

Once out change the locks that day, if he needs to get anything from YOUR home he rings first to arrange a time convenient to you, also do not accept any deliveries for him, you are still tiptoeing around this waste of skin. Notice what has happened already, you are packing his stuff at his convenience, his daughter told your kids about the split before you did and he is not going to have the kids at his new home - because he is planning to drop in and out of your home. In your situation I would say once moving people come, locks changed, skip hired and his stuff is dumped that same day and honestly sell this house and move to a new home that has no association with him at all.

katy1213 · 29/05/2021 12:50

What a nasty piece of work your husband is. I'd stop facilitating his relationship with any of his children - and if yours ask why you've been uninvited, tell them the truth.

DeathBy1000PipeCleaners · 29/05/2021 13:00

As someone who finds it hard to live in a museum of others' junk collections, I'm so happy for you. I hope freedom feels absolutely amazing.

I love the way you write. You're lovely and very funny. Reading your updates is making me feel lighter too! Thank you :)

BingBongToTheMoon · 29/05/2021 13:02

These updates are brilliant @R0SEMARY but I agree with a lot of what @Dontbeme said too!

HideousKinky · 29/05/2021 13:04

ROSEMARY you're amazing - I am in awe of your calm level-headedness in the face of all this!

Daleksatemyshed · 29/05/2021 13:06

So glad you're finally getting rid of this obnoxious man. Better still, you sound so much happier. It will take him a long time to get used to the idea that you're not his household help so start as you mean to go on, get the locks changed, refuse to help and let him fail alone. Glad your DC have left him to it too you don't want them being manipulated into taking on his workload.
After all the hassle with him and his DD I'm so pleased you are nearly free of them Smile

Beautiful3 · 29/05/2021 13:06

Agree with another poster, change the locks the day he moves out. He doesn't get to pop in when ever he wants for bits and bobs! Hire a skip the day after he moves out, and throw his junk in it.

ivykaty44 · 29/05/2021 13:08

change the locks just before you go on holiday.....

CatsPyjama · 29/05/2021 13:11

You are amazing! What an update!

3peassuit · 29/05/2021 13:13

What a fantastic update. Enjoy your new life.

Mix56 · 29/05/2021 13:16

Hoorah, Rosemary,
You are free, from the monster DIL, Thank the Lord every day that they are both out of your life.
Once he is gone & has taken ALL his shit away, You will need to learn to fail to reply to his constant needs, don't pick up when he calls, say You are not available, "I'm busy", when he asks where & why ? tilt your head & repeat. "No time now Byyyyeeeeee".
This has made my day, I rejoice for you

KarmaNoMore · 29/05/2021 13:19

Oh god, I wouldn’t let him clear his stuff while I am away of the house. My ex is a CEO, earning 7 times my salary. He had already taken all valuable stuff because he felt it “belonged” to him, but although I thought there was nothing I could miss if he took it I was not prepared to find him leaving the house with the car full to the brim of stuff I never thought he would take, but I did need, from art work that was mine to the food I had batch cooked for the week and had left in the freezer.

My new partner, on the other hand, was left with a basement full of crap and a house full of shite, it is four years since and he is still taking thing to tip every fortnight. I think is a control issue on his ex, everytime she needs to take something to the tip, she just sends it to his house with the kids as they may need it, but don’t you dare to tAke it to the tip yourself as she would say it was not your right as the thing belonged to her...

AntiSocialDistancer · 29/05/2021 13:19

I'm getting a wonderful "wash that man right out of my hair" vibe from you!

Congrats. It's ok to grieve and it's ok to feel relieved Brew

TipseyTorvey · 29/05/2021 13:21

Love these updates. Well done rosemary. I think you should get a cheap tent and put it up on his front lawn and put all his crap in it. Get it out of your house and run free. I cannot believe how self centred and clueless he is about how life works. You're going to have so much free time not running about after him now. Good work.

Giantrooster · 29/05/2021 13:27

You bloody well rock, OP 🍾

I'm sure Helen will appear to help her poor dad 🤣.

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