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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
Shehasadiamondinthesky · 26/02/2021 07:43

I'd walk away and leave the whole clusterfuck behind. Do you need all of this drama for the rest of your life?

simplyme83 · 26/02/2021 07:44

please leave. dont let him do to your children, what he has done to helen. i would bet money on it being your husbands behaviour etc that was the main cause of your stepdaughters behaviour when she was a teen and since. i am not excusing her- she should never have been physical with you, esp when pregnant. but i am wondering what her dad had said to her prior to all that? maybe she was feeling jealous of the baby(not excusing it) or had been told you hated her and would hate her even more once baby was born.

billybagpuss · 26/02/2021 07:45

You don’t want to go to the wedding anyway so contacting Helen will serve no helpful purpose but I would come clean to your own children.

I agree with a pp that contacting women’s aid and a solicitor should be your next step. I think staying with him now should not be an option.

TheFancyPants · 26/02/2021 07:48

@Reinventinganna

Tell her in a letter. Exactly what you’ve written here.

I would probably end it with ps your father is a twat.

I was going to write a longer text but THIS is perfect

Then LTB

Magicalsundays · 26/02/2021 07:49

You need to tell her. But in your case I think I would be devious and underhand - if you don’t think she will believe you.
I’d record the conversation between you and him on my phone and then email it to her.

I’d start off ‘John I’m really concerned by what you said last night about me and Helen. Do you really mean that you’ve been sabotaging my relationship with Helen all these years because you have been dripping poison and lying to her all these years about me. I have loved and supported her and her relationship with her girlfriend all these years and defended her ....’ I record him being awful and backing up your version of events and then I’d email it to her. It will implode but I think Helen needs to know the truth.

BluebellsGreenbells · 26/02/2021 07:51

I think Helens knows her father is a liar and she’s just tarred you with the same brush.
Your teens will also know he’s a lair. They aren’t stupid.

Ask the two who don’t want to go, why they decided that? They might surprise you.

But yes, starting getting paper work together to get a divorce, kids know an unhappy home when they see one, all you are teaching them is how dysfunctional your relationship is.

shockthemonkey · 26/02/2021 07:52

Get a lawyer, @R0SEMARY

aweegc · 26/02/2021 07:52

I wouldn’t tell her about this thread or say anything negative about the wedding. I would explain that I was very sorry that she was under the impression you held these views and it was categorically untrue and finding out about the lies from Your husband after many other issues have been the final straw for divorce. You wish her nothing but happiness and you would like to clear the air with her and move forward, with her accepting that you aren’t a homophobic arse.

I agree with Dashel here.

I think it's important she knows that you don't think these things and that he lied FOR YEARS. She has been very damaged by this fucker and at some point she is likely to end up in some kind of therapy/relationship counselling. Knowing that he lied, that he deliberately fucked up her relationship with you, is important for her to have. I wouldn't tell her these things were his thoughts, focus on the fact he lied for years and you have your own thoughts. Tell her you're divorcing him abd wish her a happy future.

Sadly, with this level of fucked up going on, she's very unlikely to have that.

I hope you get some good news from the lawyer, because you should be entitled to more than you think.

TheFancyPants · 26/02/2021 07:55

@Leafpile

I suspect the lies to his daughter were designed to prevent you and her from ever forming a close relationship, as a form of control.

I hope you find a way to leave him, life with him sounds unbearably grim.

His lies were his mouth piece for telling Helen exactly what he thought of her and his hatred for her GF and her life. He just made out it was her stepmother.
heathergem · 26/02/2021 07:56

When is the wedding? I would line up a few nice things to do that weekend and remain out of reach (unless one of your kids goes). Sounds a tricky situation, all your OHs doing, your conscious is clear.

Dundee67890 · 26/02/2021 08:02

I just wanted to add my support. I won’t be shouting LTB as I know how difficult that is. If it was that easy you’d have done it by now.

Just keep yourself and your one mental health well. Do what you have to to get through it. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.

crankysaurus · 26/02/2021 08:03

Divorce the arse.

Then be wary that he's likely to try to lie and manipulate your children against you in the same way.

PolkaDotsarenottheonlydots · 26/02/2021 08:03

Helen was obviously a very disturbed young woman as a teen, and of course she would be under the circumstances. Her father is a serial cheat and abusive to boot.

but it sounds like she's done her best to make things work with you despite being told you are basically disgusted by her and her partner for years. Even so much as including you in the wedding.

She's finally grown a backbone and decided to not invite someone she believes to be frankly, awful to her wedding. And the punishment for that is she's losing her siblings. And you're helpfully acting like you've been kind in letting them choose to go when they don't know half the information. They are obviously not going to attend out of loyalty to you.

You won't tell her the truth because don't have the guts to give up your lifestyle (don't pretend his toxicity is beneficial to your children)

You need to tell Helen the truth and you need to tell your children the truth. Allowing them to miss their sibling's wedding because she made a totally rationally choice in not inviting a person she believes has been slagging her off for years is quite disgusting.

mrstrickland · 26/02/2021 08:03

Oh @rosemary. Your husband is a bully who has clearly destroyed your self-esteem and confidence. Please find the courage to leave him before another 20 years pass. Get help. Speak to family/friends or get in touch with women's aid for advice and to help get you out. He may not be physically abusive, but he is emotionally abusive. Wishing you strength to get out x

Gcnq · 26/02/2021 08:07

This has really upset me on your behalf. To reiterate a couple of good points PP have made in case you missed it, your DH has probably been lying to his daughter about you since the beginning, as a way of preventing you and her from ever having a close relationship because this is what controlling abusers do. On top of that because he's a homophobic prize c*nt he wanted to hurt his own daughter's feelings and deliberately make her upset, by saying what vile things he really thinks without taking the responsibility for his actions himself. Again that's what abusers do.
You're been passive-aggressively subject to a severe form of abuse for years and years.

There must be a way you can divorce him, claim CM from him and still share the family home living separately in it. Do you think this could be dangerous though? Has he ever been violent?

PolkaDotsarenottheonlydots · 26/02/2021 08:08

I’ve not told them any of the information about their dad, just that I’m uninvited . I said I would be ok whatever they decided, they are free to go with their dad or stay home with me. I’ve said to take the weekend to decide

Yes, but in not giving them the truth you're doing exactly what your husband has done all along. You're making Helen the scapegoat for your husband's behaviour. They can't make a real decision, can they?

You keep saying you've tolerated "her behaviour". Has it occurred to you she is saying the same about you? That she's tolerated her homophobic stepmother for years?

She was the child, she was the person in the position to be most susceptible to her father's lies. But you're not giving her the benefit of the doubt you give your yourself.

Gcnq · 26/02/2021 08:09

If you told the whole story to your own daughters, I'm sure they would explain it to your step daughter in such a way SD would certainly believe them?

KitKatty55 · 26/02/2021 08:09

Forget his daughter, why are you still with this man?

RowanAlong · 26/02/2021 08:15

You sound like a good person. Walk away from all of it with your head held high!

wifterwafter · 26/02/2021 08:17

Forget the wedding. Now is the time to leave this horrible man.

Saltedhero · 26/02/2021 08:19

What a nasty spiteful man you're unfortunately married too..and an equally horrid step daughter. Feel so sorry for you, how nasty they've been to you. You're worth more I would definitely leave these revolting people to it and make a more positive nice life for yourself. Bless you xx Good luck Flowers

justchecking1 · 26/02/2021 08:23

@R0SEMARY I don't understand? Your husband has been telling lies about the things you've said for years, and yet Helen invited you anyway. None of this is new information for Helen, only for you. Why has she suddenly uninvited you now? What has happened in the last few days to make her suddenly change her mind?

poppycat10 · 26/02/2021 08:23

Those of you saying send a letter assume she'll read it. She probably won't if it she doesn't think it will include anything she wants to hear.

OP I think you have to seriously consider leaving this man asap. You will feel so liberated and the finances will work themselves out.

You will also have to support the kids as no doubt he will put immense pressure on them to attend the wedding.

It takes a whole other level of treacherous wanker to deliberately hurt your own daughter and blame your wife so she suffers the backlash yes I don't think I've ever come across this before

WithMyOldCockLinnet · 26/02/2021 08:24

So your kids have a Dad who tells truly toxic lies about you.
To a half sister who believes them.
And one of them might be at the wedding.
Listening to all this.
(No, they won’t keep quiet. Demonising you is the warped way your H keeps a relationship with his Dd)

I would make sure your kids know your true views: that you support same sex marriage, are v happy that their sister is happy.

I would send a card to Dsd and fiancée wishing them well.

Then I would see a lawyer and a mortgage broker and talk to someone like CAB about what benefits you could get if needed and if that would support rental .

poppycat10 · 26/02/2021 08:25

[quote justchecking1]@R0SEMARY I don't understand? Your husband has been telling lies about the things you've said for years, and yet Helen invited you anyway. None of this is new information for Helen, only for you. Why has she suddenly uninvited you now? What has happened in the last few days to make her suddenly change her mind? [/quote]
This is an extremely good point, I'd missed this in the very long OP.