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Uninvited to family wedding

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R0SEMARY · 26/02/2021 02:51

Sorry this is long as there’s a lot of background and I don’t want to drip feed. Names/ details changed of course.

I’ve been married for 20 years to John, we have teenage kids together and John has a daughter, Helen, from a previous marriage. Helen is in her 30s and so was a teenager when I married her father. And no, I was not the OW - they were divorced years before we met.

Our marriage has been very difficult for the last 10 years, mostly because of my husband’s many affairs (among other things) . I’ve tried to leave several times but it’s complicated and I’ve stayed for the sake of the children. It’s bearable because he works away a lot and we pretty much lead separate lives.

When Helen was a teenager she lived with us for half the week. This was hard for me, I will admit, because she had a lot of behavioural issues and was very challenging. I tolerated a lot of verbal abuse and inappropriate behaviour as I knew she was troubled and unhappy. She was occasionally physically aggressive towards me, especially when I was pregnant.

After she left home things got better of course and during her 20s and 30s we have got on OK. She lives at the other end of the country with her girlfriend so we only meet up a few times a year but keep in touch by phone, what’s app, zoom etc .

They are getting married this autumn, postponed from last year. We are all involved - my teenagers are bridesmaids / ushers - it’s been years in the planning. Naturally I have my Step MOB outfit and I’ve arranged ( booked and paid for ) a week’s holiday for us all around the event, as it’s a 9 hour drive away.

However my husband has always struggled with Helen’s sexuality. He disliked her last girlfriend and really hates her current fiancée ( says she’s fat and ugly ) but I’ve always tried to smooth things over and persuade him to keep on good terms with them both. He originally didn’t want anything to do with the wedding, partly because he hates her girlfriend and partly because he has an issue with same sex relationships in general. He still thinks it’s a phase that Helen will grow out of ( sorry I know that’s offensive ).

However I talked him round and made all the arrangements so he can’t say it’s too much hassle. He didn’t even want to walk her down the aisle but I persuaded him to suggest instead that she ask her mum as they are closer.

Then tonight, out of the blue, Helen phoned me to say that she doesn’t want me at her wedding any longer but she still wants my husband and children to attend.

I was absolutely gobsmacked. We’ve been talking about this wedding for three years, I’ve helped her choose bridesmaids dresses, flowers, menu etc (at her request). She wouldn’t say why she was doing this.

There’s been no arguments or falling out of any kind - all recent conversions have been about the wedding, her work, her cats etc.

Of course I asked her father what was going on and after a long conversation he admitted that he has been lying to Helen about me for years. Basically all the negative and nasty things he has been saying to me about her, he has told her that I said them, not him.

I am so shocked. Ever since I’ve known him he’s been complaining to me about her. About her refusing to attend school as a teenager, about her self harming ( which he said was just attention seeking ), her lies and stealing, her sexuality, career choices, her dropping out of university, cheating on her previous partner, her character, her lack of religion ( he is from a conservative religious background and raised her in it ).

I’ve spent years listening to him talk about her . So often I’ve defended her and tried to get him to be a little more open minded about her beliefs and lifestyle. Persuaded him to be polite to her partners and talked about their good points. Made the effort to keep in touch, sending gifts and cards etc.

Don’t get me wrong, some of what he complains about is right and I’ve agreed with him . But I’ve never said it to anyone except him and I assumed that what we said was between us. It never crossed my mind that he was telling her anything that we discussed. It’s one of the few things I thought we were united on - that we support each other in dealing with her. Even during her adult life there’s been a lot of drama and I’ve always supported him.

And now I discover he has been undermining me to her for all these years. I’ve worked so hard to try to keep things friendly and to keep open the lines of communication and he’s been working against me behind my back.

It’s not that I thought DH loved me - I’m not under any illusion about that. He only stays because he likes the domestic servicing and he doesn’t have to pay child support or parent his children.

But I just don’t understand why he would tell all these lies for years. Why would anyone do that ? I’m just so shocked I don’t know what to think or what to do.

OP posts:
Starlightstarbright1 · 26/02/2021 06:38

Get legal advice on where you stand..

Difficult if your youngest has started GCSE but otherwise you will all be happier.

The children will already know this is abnormal but you are modelling relationshios to them and what crap a woman has to put up with.

Melange99 · 26/02/2021 06:38

I would look upon this as a lucky break. Cut contact with her, not your problem. And try and get away from him ASAP. Don't try and figure out why he did it, he did it because he is a prick. She's unpleasant. You no longer have to deal with her. At some point you will no longer have to deal with him.

Dashel · 26/02/2021 06:39

It is possible thar your husbands lies have been going on for longer than he has told you and his stirring and manipulation of Helen has caused a lot more problems than you know about. Especially if he had been doing it whilst she was very young. He could have been saying you can’t come to stay as Rosemary doesn’t want you here. I would personally want to know from Helen what other negative comments he had said to her about you and whether he has done it to your dc as well.

I would divorce him ASAP and let all the children including Helen know. Although it’s upsetting to Helen that her dad is such a cock, it’s better than the kids know it’s him and not you that has these all hateful views. It may be that you and the DC and Helen end up closer without him.

I wouldn’t tell her about this thread or say anything negative about the wedding. I would explain that I was very sorry that she was under the impression you held these views and it was categorically untrue and finding out about the lies from Your husband after many other issues have been the final straw for divorce. You wish her nothing but happiness and you would like to clear the air with her and move forward, with her accepting that you aren’t a homophobic arse.

butterry · 26/02/2021 06:45

You said you pretty much lead separate lives. Divorce and find yourself some happiness away from this man. Your husband should always have your back and you will never be able to trust this man. Imagine being him in old age! You will be far better off without him.

Sarahandco · 26/02/2021 06:48

That would be the end of the marriage for me.

Most important now is to make sure this is not happening with your children and that is why I would fully explain what has happened with Helen to them so that they can see the picture clearly and that if your husband does the same thing with them they will be aware of both sides of this type of manipulation.

Shoxfordian · 26/02/2021 06:48

He’s awful. If you care about salvaging any relationship with Helen then write her a letter but expect him to deny it’s true and it might just cause you more drama. Speak to a solicitor today if you can and tell him you’re divorcing him.

MMMarmite · 26/02/2021 06:49

@Sarahandco

That would be the end of the marriage for me.

Most important now is to make sure this is not happening with your children and that is why I would fully explain what has happened with Helen to them so that they can see the picture clearly and that if your husband does the same thing with them they will be aware of both sides of this type of manipulation.

Very good point. Sad
chocolateorangeinhaler · 26/02/2021 07:00

Forget the wedding for a second, why are you still sharing the same air with a man that in your words has had multiple affairs?

You stayed for the kids, but they are not kids anymore. Leave, don't bother even trying to explain to Helen, she will naturally take his side.

Take your kids and get as far away from this shower of shit as you possibly can before it destroys you.

fuzzymoon · 26/02/2021 07:00

Your husband is toxic. He has no respect or care for you.

Your extremely poor relationship with your step daughter all the way through is not because of her but because of your husband. Everything you did to develop and mend the relationship was hampered by your husband. He has not just been toxic to you but also your step daughter and your children.

He has created a dreadful atmosphere at home which your children have been part of. They won't be oblivious to it they will actually think this is normal family dynamics.

You must really think about leaving your husband so your children can understand that this is not what is norm and accept being treated this way themselves or treat others that way.
You need to be able to breath. Stop looking for excuses. There's never a right time to do it - there is , it's now. There are so many threads on here saying how hard yet once done the best thing for them and their children it is.
Perhaps your children should know what he's doing. Just facts.

AnotherCovidQuestion · 26/02/2021 07:01

Your secrecy is helping no one. Why on earth would you not tell your children? God knows what he might have said to them about you! Seriously, you need this to be out there. If no for you, for them. You might think you're somehow doing the honourable thing but you're not; you're short-changing them. They deserve to know the truth.

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 26/02/2021 07:04

Your husband is an absolute evil c**t and he will fuck your kids up just like he has done with his eldest and you.

Please for the kids sake kick the lying cheating scumbag out, he has gaslighted you both so much, absolutely shocked at what I have read. Find your inner fire @R0SEMARY

ArtemisBean · 26/02/2021 07:05

What an appalling man. How on earth does he square his dislike of Helen's sexuality due to his 'conservative religious upbringing' with the fact that he's had numerous affairs, tells horrible lies, and treats his whole family dreadfully? Ditch the arsehole. This latest display of his really should be the last straw!

chaosrabbitland · 26/02/2021 07:05

iv gpt a bad temper and my blood is boiling reading this , you are lucky i dont know where you live as i would be around there to chuck that nasty poisonous asshole out in the street with all his belongings !! you have put up with all his shit for years and hes taken the biggest knife he could find and stabbed you in the back with it .. you need to divorce him op , you really do , its impossible to keep on living with someone so vile . you sound lovely and deserve so much better

Beforethetakingoftoastandt3a · 26/02/2021 07:08

You need to speak to a solicitor about your options.

MzHz · 26/02/2021 07:10

It takes a whole other level of treacherous wanker to deliberately hurt your own daughter and blame your wife so she suffers the backlash

And he cheats regularly

Get legal advice, I’m sure you have more options than he’s going to give you willingly

I’m so sorry, your life sounds so unhappy @R0SEMARY

It doesn’t have to be like this

Take him for the very most you can get and find your happiness

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 26/02/2021 07:11

Record him slating her then send her it, I am angry for you.

MsTSwift · 26/02/2021 07:20

What a delight he sounds. I couldn’t be in the same room as him let alone married to him. Raise your bar’

chaosrabbitland · 26/02/2021 07:22

speak to a solicitor , its not you who has to leave with the kids , hes just saying that so he doesnt have to go , this is a common tactic ,iv seen many a woman write or say it , in fact my very own next door neighbours husband says it to her whenever she brings up how miserable she is with him , , shes told me .. but you have 3 teenagers they need a home , i dont know much about family law . but its unlikely a judge would make you and the kids leave so he got to stay in the house .

VinterKvinna · 26/02/2021 07:25

I would be packing while he is away
(His stuff)

PurpleFlower1983 · 26/02/2021 07:26

I would write to Helen as others have suggested, also telling her you have no desire to attend her wedding now but here’s the truth of it. I would also be completely honest with your own children about the whole situation and your despicable DH.

LoudestCat14 · 26/02/2021 07:31

You need to end your marriage. He has betrayed you time and time again, he's told everyone you're a homophobe and he's never going to change. You will have such a nice life without him dragging you down.

Well done your teenagers on taking a stand to support you. If they know the truth, could one of them set their step-sister straight? If not, definitely write the letter. It doesn't matter whether she believes it, just put her straight.

Roystonv · 26/02/2021 07:33

Many have said exactly what I would say but I did want you to know you have another person supporting you in this horrible situation. Bless you and good luck.

lazylump72 · 26/02/2021 07:34

Talking to Womans Aid might be a worthwhile first step OP.They will demistify your options for you and will tell you whats possible and what you can expect if you choose to go alone in life solo.Well worth a call even just to know that your dh could be lying about the house too.I am so sorry you are dealing with this.He has done a terrible thing.

Eddielzzard · 26/02/2021 07:34

Wow. Flowers how awful to have to deal with this man. What a vile person.

Helen may realise in the future that it's actually her dad who thinks these things, but tbh she sounds as poisonous as him so she may decide it suits her to overlook that.

I think you need to be honest with your kids about why you've been uninvited. Just facts, but otherwise your shit of a husband may start (if he hasn't already) spouting nonsense in their ears too.

Time to find that shit hot lawyer.

KRoo22 · 26/02/2021 07:39

Personally I would contact her, explain you were shocked and after speaking to her Dad found out he has been telling her untruths, personally I would not tell her that it was her Dad saying those things instead as that is only going to hurt her and she is unlikely to believe it. Tell her from a POV that you want her to know you don’t believe those things, you support her and you are always here for her. Full Stop. You are hurt that she has been told you believe these things for years and that unfortunately your and her dads relationship is not great. Don’t ask her for anything etc.