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Feeling a bit caught between DP and my DMum- new baby on the way

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LittleRa · 16/02/2021 08:50

I’m 37 weeks pregnant with my second baby, however it is my DP’s first (my nearly 7yo DD is from a previous relationship).
Obviously we’re all very excited Grin

Last night DP and I got talking about birth choices and preferences etc, and the conversation also led on to preferences for after the birth, with a newborn baby.

Now, my DMum can be a little bit.... overbearing. We have had some tense moments over the years, but nothing major, no big fall outs, more just frustrations. I think she is kind of a snob and sometimes says things without thinking, she also has ridiculously high standards that she holds me and my sister to. However, I know that this is because she wants the best for us. I think she sometimes forgets we’re grown ups now Grin She also does absolutely loads for me and for DD- she picks my DD up from school two days a week and while she’s at my house she does laundry, cleans the bathroom etc. She’s bought loads of things for the new baby (probably unnecessarily so...) and has washed all the new baby clothes. She sends my DD little presents in the post (during lockdown). She’s very generous and kind.

However, I completely understand this feeling that she gives my DP, that he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!! Grin But I’m sad to hear she makes him feel like that too. I’ve told him she doesn’t mean it and it’s just her way, she probably goes home and kicks herself about things she’s said.

An example is that when she was at my house looking after DD, a slightly batty neighbour caught her in the street and said “You have to tell your son in law not to park his car there, as it makes it tricky for me to get my bins through on bin day”. When my DP got home from work, DM passed this “message” on from neighbour, saying things like “it’s important to get along with your neighbours” and suggesting alternative places to park along the street. This got his back up a bit as he didn’t want to be dictated to about where to park, by either the neighbour or DM. Later that night DM texted saying she was sorry she’d got involved, she shouldn’t have said anything etc.

Now, DP is very laid back, and is extremely supportive of me. He’s happy to support my choices in birth, parenting, with the baby etc. However, what was coming out of the conversation last night was that his preference would be to not have DM round on the first few days, maybe first week after the baby is born. I had assumed we would form an under 1s bubble (we already have a childcare bubble for DD but this allows her to look after DD, not to be in the house with me socialising). She’s my DM and I feel like after the birth she will be able to be such a big help- like I said, she does several loads of laundry each time she’s here, changes my DD’s bed sheets, does dishes, she’ll cook if we’re going to be late home from work. Also because she’s my Mum, I’ll feel she can support with more intimate care like if I’m getting breastfeeding established, if I’ve got stitches and am bleeding etc.

DP says he really does appreciate all the things she does for us, but as a first time parent to a newborn (DD was 3 when we met) he wants time to be able to establish confidence without feeling like he’s being judged for “doing it wrong” or that any unthinking comments will be made that make him feel inadequate or awkward. He feels that after the first little bit once we’re a bit more established in our roles as new parents to a newborn would be the time to introduce other people to the situation.

We’ve been doing NCT and some of the other couples have spoken about how Covid restrictions and lockdown have meant that they’ve decided to say no visitors at all (eg if they both have sets of divorced parents to choose from, easier to just say no one). I definitely feel that having the restrictions as an excuse to not have streams of visitors coming in and out (which I do remember having when DD was newborn) is a good thing! But I feel just DM is different. But I do understand what DP is saying and would like to be in our own little world for a while too!

I have said to him that if DM doesn’t come to help, then I will need him to step up with the household jobs that she does. Which he’s said he of course would.

Just some other info-
-DM was also her same overbearing self when DD was born but she was still working full time then whereas she has since retired so has a lot more time to dedicate to family. She lives about 45 mins away, so not on the doorstep.
-DP will have 2 weeks paternity leave, and then be back to work, so I suppose that will be the time I really need DM to come during the day and help.

I’m not sure whether I should say to DP- suck it up, I need my DM to help too and if she makes any comments just let them go over your head, she means well and I trust you and know you will be an amazing dad. Or say to DM- when we come out of hospital we want a few days/week where you don’t come round while we find our feet. I know she would be sad about that. Also, she will be looking after DD when we’re in hospital.
Am I overthinking, shall I play it by ear and see how it goes a bit more, or do I need to manage expectations beforehand. I was wondering about saying something to DM like DP is feeling nervous about becoming a new Dad and so to be mindful of being positive and supportive etc and that we’ll need time. I have actually joked to DP to give it a few days and he’ll be ringing her up begging her to come and help out Grin

OP posts:
BertieBotts · 16/02/2021 08:56

I think his request of a week is absolutely fair. In fact 2 weeks would be reasonable as she could feasibly come to help out once he's gone back to work. Is his mum in the picture?

As she's looking after DD it sounds like she'll probably get to come and have a cuddle, meet the new arrival pretty soon after birth, so she's not missing out, but then i think I'd emphasise that you want just a little bit of family time and her support will be extremely valuable to you after DP has gone back to work.

Breastfeeding is often easier the second time around and I'm sure your DP can cope with a bit of bleeding considering you will have gone through childbirth :)

gutful · 16/02/2021 09:00

I don’t think the solution is to tell him to suck it up & let her apparently well meaning comments go over your head.

That’s really disrespectful to a partner to expect them to tolerate your mum & just smile/nod.

I think if the roles were reversed posters would say “you don’t have a mother in. Law problem - you have a husband problem.”

Well now your partner has a wife problem -because at least part of you expects that he should tolerate your mum & bury his feelings of frustration.

You’re prioritising you & your mum’s relationship over your family unit here. I would have the week at home together & your mum let you all have time to bond.

Why can’t husband help with intimate things as well? I would rather my husband than my mum looked at my Minge !

category12 · 16/02/2021 09:03

I don't think it's unreasonable for him to want quiet time just as new parents, and it is really his job to do all those things your mum would do. It seems strange to see her as your first port of call for that and not him - does he not usually share the load at home? He's your partner, he would usually be the first person you look to? I'd suggest you let him have the paternity leave period just you guys, and she just pops in to meet the baby during this time rather than stays around to help.

If he doesn't step up, then call in mum, (and ask yourself what you're doing in such a sexist relationship).

Polaris92 · 16/02/2021 09:07

That's a very awkward situation you find yourself in! I would recommend having a proper chat with your partner about the intimate nature of the pain you're going to be in and how you feel your mum can help with that. Why not try to assign roles to your DP and DM? Such as your mums jobs being your comfort and your DD and your DPs job to be soothing baby and changing nappies etc?

I completely understand both sides of this and some tactful thinking/conversation is the solution. Oh, and telling your DM to bite her tongue a bit 😂

Persipan · 16/02/2021 09:07

However, I completely understand this feeling that she gives my DP, that he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!! grin

I just want to point out that that is... not obvious. Not everyone's mum makes them feel judged and inadequate. It says quite a lot about how she behaves that you'd say something like this, even flippantly. With that in mind, I'd suggest that your partner's desire to have a bit of space from her seems entirely reasonable.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:09

@gutful

I don’t think the solution is to tell him to suck it up & let her apparently well meaning comments go over your head.

That’s really disrespectful to a partner to expect them to tolerate your mum & just smile/nod.

I think if the roles were reversed posters would say “you don’t have a mother in. Law problem - you have a husband problem.”

Well now your partner has a wife problem -because at least part of you expects that he should tolerate your mum & bury his feelings of frustration.

You’re prioritising you & your mum’s relationship over your family unit here. I would have the week at home together & your mum let you all have time to bond.

Why can’t husband help with intimate things as well? I would rather my husband than my mum looked at my Minge !

Thanks for the reply.

I was probably being a bit flippant when I said “suck it up”- I obviously wouldn’t say those exact words. I’ve tried to gently reassure him that she means well and just wants the best for everyone. I totally sympathise as she’s exactly the same with me, I know exactly how she can make you feel, however she’s not a total monster-in-law and I feel that he’s worrying about comments she may make before she’s even made them.
I definitely don’t want him to bury his feelings though, hence me feeling caught in the middle.
God no, I didn’t mean my mum to look at my minge or anything like that. I just meant that as she’s my Mum, although we aren’t super close or anything, I would feel that if I’m struggling or feeling low or feeling physical effects I can talk to her frankly in a way I couldn’t to others. As I said, it’s much better this time with Covid restrictions as an excuse but I can remember last time having friends, my cousins, my brother, friends from work, all inviting themselves to come and meet the baby, while sitting there smiling and feeling uncomfortable bleeding and milk leaking not wanting to say anything. Whereas to my Mum I’d be able to say “look mum, my boobs are leaking, can you grab me a clean top?” “Mum I need more maternity pads, I’m bleeding through these” etc.
Yes, DP can definitely help with all that too, he will also be focusing on the baby.

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Fascinationends · 16/02/2021 09:09

You don't say in your OP what your reasons are for definitely needing help, so maybe you just need to see how things go. If you are not coping, presumably DP will be pleased your mum can help and if you are, you won't need her.

YoniAndGuy · 16/02/2021 09:11

If he's truly a supportive, laid back man who will make an excellent parent, then he will be absolutely fine with you saying 'I'm the one giving birth here and I'll judge what help and support I need - I might well want my mum here'

If your mum truly does mean well, and is the kind of person you genuinely would want there for support at such a personal time, then you should be able to have a discussion with her where you make it very clear that she will only be welcome in the days after the birth if she can show 100% support to both you AND YOUR DP and completely respect his space. No comments on 'how to do it'. No jumping in. In fact, only there for a short time really.

You shouldn't have to put someone else's wishes first when you've just given birth.

He shouldn't have to let someone's frankly unacceptable comments 'go over his head' in his own home.

Practically speaking I think you could find a middle ground. So you play it by ear and see if you are ok with minimising visits a bit, but if you find you really want her there, you tell him - she'll be coming if I need her and I expect support with that. Perhaps that will depend on how effectively he is prepared to step up!

I also think that you should bear in mind that those first two weeks will be IT for him being at home 24/7 with the baby and it really is a special time for him. I'd hate my MIL being in the background for those first few days especially. So I do think that unless you really do find that he's not supporting you enough and you're stressed out, keep it to a real minimum and focus on your mum being more involved when he's back at work and you really need that extra pair of hands.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:13

@category12

I don't think it's unreasonable for him to want quiet time just as new parents, and it is really his job to do all those things your mum would do. It seems strange to see her as your first port of call for that and not him - does he not usually share the load at home? He's your partner, he would usually be the first person you look to? I'd suggest you let him have the paternity leave period just you guys, and she just pops in to meet the baby during this time rather than stays around to help.

If he doesn't step up, then call in mum, (and ask yourself what you're doing in such a sexist relationship).

I don’t see her as the first port of call, I see her as a helpful support in practical things around the house- she does it without being asked, and we both work full time in stressful jobs. He totally pulls his weight with housework, looking after DD, everything really, but with this being his first baby I’m not sure he knows how it’s going to hit him, those of us who have had babies before know it is like a grenade going off. I want him to be able to concentrate on bonding with the baby and getting to grips with all that, and feel it would be helpful to have DM pottering around doing jobs.

Just to clarify- she wouldn’t be staying over (I don’t have the space anyway) or even staying for extended periods of time during the day.

Not sure what you mean about sexist relationship so I’ll leave that one.

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MichelleScarn · 16/02/2021 09:14

Would you be happy with his dm coming over and behaving like she does or you expect to towards him, to you? And with . I was wondering about saying something to DM like DP is feeling nervous about becoming a new Dad and so to be mindful of being positive and supportive etc I think that would be really unfair of you and from what you said he's not nervous, he wants unsurprisingly time to bond with his child?

YoniAndGuy · 16/02/2021 09:15

I’ve tried to gently reassure him that she means well and just wants the best for everyone. I totally sympathise as she’s exactly the same with me, I know exactly how she can make you feel

But that isn't ok. I wouldn't put up with someone making even slightly rude, patronising or irritating comments to me, in my home, on a regular basis, even if they 'meant well'. I'd expect them to be told, or tell them myself, to stop it, and if they couldn't, they wouldn't be welcome.

Agree that he has an (ever so slight) wife problem here. Imagine this was his mother, in your home, telling you what to do and how to do it. Even nicely. How would you feel?

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 16/02/2021 09:15

I think it's perfectly reasonable after the first meeting with the GC (presumably when she returns your DD) for her to stay away for a week. Obviously your DP will definitely have to step up to the household chores and school runs etc. I think the 2nd week will be a good time to have her over for a short visit. She obviously devotes a lot of her time to you so it would be a little unkind to leave her out., just don't make a big song and dance about it. As for the neighbour issue I think it was great she texted you later to apologise, many wouldn't.

Vetyverio · 16/02/2021 09:15

I think it’s unreasonable to ask him to suck it up. If she’ll be seeing baby when she hands dd back I would then ask her to give you some space for a bit. Are there any other GPs to consider?

heart80s · 16/02/2021 09:15

Whilst your partner is on paternity leave your mother needs to back off. Obviously let her come round and meet your new little one. Your partner and you need time to adjust and have time being a new family.

Your mother got use to being more involved than most parents when you were on your own with your daughter. She probably wants to be that involved again but you have a partner to help out now.

When your partner goes back to work I would have your mother round a little more then.

JustZooming · 16/02/2021 09:16

Your mum is very involved in your everyday life which I find a bit odd. If it was your MIL how would you feel about everything she is doing?

I don’t think you have found the balance between being an independent adult, and a life that is still very enmeshed with your mum with her in a Mum role.

If your DP was on board with this level of togetherness I’d say rock on, but he’s not, so you need to cut the apron strings a bit. I’m definitely not suggesting leaving your mum out of your life but you and your DP need to be on the same page about what her role is. It really seems like you’re very unsure about adulting on your own without your mum available in the wings, and this isn’t something sitting well with your DP.

FabbyMagic · 16/02/2021 09:17

@Persipan

However, I completely understand this feeling that she gives my DP, that he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!! grin

I just want to point out that that is... not obvious. Not everyone's mum makes them feel judged and inadequate. It says quite a lot about how she behaves that you'd say something like this, even flippantly. With that in mind, I'd suggest that your partner's desire to have a bit of space from her seems entirely reasonable.

This really stood out to me too Sad I suspect you think it’s normal or acceptable and it’s really not...or at the very least are minimising this.
Muskox · 16/02/2021 09:18

I'm with your DP here. It will be easier for him as a brand new Dad if your mum isn't around much in the early days - I think a week is a good idea.

However, I would allow her one visit to meet her new grandchild - I wouldn't make a wait a whole week for that.

YoniAndGuy · 16/02/2021 09:19

I want him to be able to concentrate on bonding with the baby and getting to grips with all that, and feel it would be helpful to have DM pottering around doing jobs.

Then there is your answer. Him bonding with the baby is more important than the pottering jobs - as it should be - so don't have someone there who will potentially undermine his bonding - even by making him feel irritated and disappointed that she is there at all, infringing on what he feels should be private time.

Sounds like it would be best for the jobs to wait, your mum to come over for a couple of afternoons to have baby time and to see you, be on standby in case you're finding it really stressful (or even if, with the blessing of your DP, to come over for an afternoon of blasting the kitchen and laundry while you both spend time with baby/DD) - and then she comes over much more regularly after PL is over.

doctorhamster · 16/02/2021 09:20

I think when you've just given birth you call the shots tbh. As long as you're not planning on moving your mum in, there's nothing wrong with her coming over a couple of times during paternity leave.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:20

@YoniAndGuy

If he's truly a supportive, laid back man who will make an excellent parent, then he will be absolutely fine with you saying 'I'm the one giving birth here and I'll judge what help and support I need - I might well want my mum here'

If your mum truly does mean well, and is the kind of person you genuinely would want there for support at such a personal time, then you should be able to have a discussion with her where you make it very clear that she will only be welcome in the days after the birth if she can show 100% support to both you AND YOUR DP and completely respect his space. No comments on 'how to do it'. No jumping in. In fact, only there for a short time really.

You shouldn't have to put someone else's wishes first when you've just given birth.

He shouldn't have to let someone's frankly unacceptable comments 'go over his head' in his own home.

Practically speaking I think you could find a middle ground. So you play it by ear and see if you are ok with minimising visits a bit, but if you find you really want her there, you tell him - she'll be coming if I need her and I expect support with that. Perhaps that will depend on how effectively he is prepared to step up!

I also think that you should bear in mind that those first two weeks will be IT for him being at home 24/7 with the baby and it really is a special time for him. I'd hate my MIL being in the background for those first few days especially. So I do think that unless you really do find that he's not supporting you enough and you're stressed out, keep it to a real minimum and focus on your mum being more involved when he's back at work and you really need that extra pair of hands.

Thank you for the reply. I appreciate you pointing out about the fact that those 2 weeks paternity leave are IT for him for being home 24/7 with the baby. I hadn’t thought of it like that, and is a really good way to look at it.

I think replies seem to be saying I should wait and see how it goes, play it by ear. Which is one of the questions I was pondering in my OP- whether to see how it goes, or whether to manage expectations and make sure everyone knows where they stand beforehand.

He really is generally very laid back and will do anything for me and anything to make me happy. All the more reason I want to respect his wishes in this.
I suppose maybe I feel a bit guilty since DM does so much so help, telling her not to come- e.g. she’s looking after DD while we’re in hospital having the baby, it could be days (I was in 3 days when I had DD), what am I going to do when I get home, ok DM drop DD off at the door and away you go, we’ll see you in 2 weeks.

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OutingMyself · 16/02/2021 09:22

Gently reassure him that's it's okay for your mum to be rude to him Grin

I think it's perfectly reasonable for him to not want her there in the first week.

I also agree with whoever said that it doesn't go without saying that a person's mum doesn't automatically make them feel judged. I'm sure some do but it's hardly everyone's situation.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:23

@Oblahdeeoblahdoe

I think it's perfectly reasonable after the first meeting with the GC (presumably when she returns your DD) for her to stay away for a week. Obviously your DP will definitely have to step up to the household chores and school runs etc. I think the 2nd week will be a good time to have her over for a short visit. She obviously devotes a lot of her time to you so it would be a little unkind to leave her out., just don't make a big song and dance about it. As for the neighbour issue I think it was great she texted you later to apologise, many wouldn't.
The texting afterwards is very typical of her- I think she passes comments in the moment without thinking, or thinking she’s helping, and then goes home and ruminates on what she’s said and worries about it and texts about it later.
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category12 · 16/02/2021 09:24

(It would be sexist if the reason you wanted your mum was because he didn't do housework.)

If he doesn't think it would be helpful to have your mum there pottering because it will stress him out, then you really need to listen to him. You might feel supported by her, but he doesn't have that, and you really need to give him a chance to adapt and enjoy parenthood without additional stressors.

If it all goes to hell and you don't cope together, then mum is a safety net. But give it a chance as a couple.

WhatMattersMost · 16/02/2021 09:26

Your enmeshment with your mother is somewhat disquieting, OP.

FellowFlipFlop · 16/02/2021 09:27

Sounds like your mum does an awful lot for you doing all those little jobs round your house. I can't imagine she will enjoy "pottering around in the background" cleaning your house, looking after your DD and doing your laundry and not being allowed to see or interact with the baby because you and your DH are bonding with him/her.

Maybe it's time your DH stepped up properly with household chores permenantly so that your mum doesn't feel like she has to do things like change your DDs bedsheets when she comes round, or clean your house for you. I'd be mortified if I was treating my mum like an unpaid skivvy but you seem keen to not rock the boat so that the arrangement can continue

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