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Feeling a bit caught between DP and my DMum- new baby on the way

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LittleRa · 16/02/2021 08:50

I’m 37 weeks pregnant with my second baby, however it is my DP’s first (my nearly 7yo DD is from a previous relationship).
Obviously we’re all very excited Grin

Last night DP and I got talking about birth choices and preferences etc, and the conversation also led on to preferences for after the birth, with a newborn baby.

Now, my DMum can be a little bit.... overbearing. We have had some tense moments over the years, but nothing major, no big fall outs, more just frustrations. I think she is kind of a snob and sometimes says things without thinking, she also has ridiculously high standards that she holds me and my sister to. However, I know that this is because she wants the best for us. I think she sometimes forgets we’re grown ups now Grin She also does absolutely loads for me and for DD- she picks my DD up from school two days a week and while she’s at my house she does laundry, cleans the bathroom etc. She’s bought loads of things for the new baby (probably unnecessarily so...) and has washed all the new baby clothes. She sends my DD little presents in the post (during lockdown). She’s very generous and kind.

However, I completely understand this feeling that she gives my DP, that he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!! Grin But I’m sad to hear she makes him feel like that too. I’ve told him she doesn’t mean it and it’s just her way, she probably goes home and kicks herself about things she’s said.

An example is that when she was at my house looking after DD, a slightly batty neighbour caught her in the street and said “You have to tell your son in law not to park his car there, as it makes it tricky for me to get my bins through on bin day”. When my DP got home from work, DM passed this “message” on from neighbour, saying things like “it’s important to get along with your neighbours” and suggesting alternative places to park along the street. This got his back up a bit as he didn’t want to be dictated to about where to park, by either the neighbour or DM. Later that night DM texted saying she was sorry she’d got involved, she shouldn’t have said anything etc.

Now, DP is very laid back, and is extremely supportive of me. He’s happy to support my choices in birth, parenting, with the baby etc. However, what was coming out of the conversation last night was that his preference would be to not have DM round on the first few days, maybe first week after the baby is born. I had assumed we would form an under 1s bubble (we already have a childcare bubble for DD but this allows her to look after DD, not to be in the house with me socialising). She’s my DM and I feel like after the birth she will be able to be such a big help- like I said, she does several loads of laundry each time she’s here, changes my DD’s bed sheets, does dishes, she’ll cook if we’re going to be late home from work. Also because she’s my Mum, I’ll feel she can support with more intimate care like if I’m getting breastfeeding established, if I’ve got stitches and am bleeding etc.

DP says he really does appreciate all the things she does for us, but as a first time parent to a newborn (DD was 3 when we met) he wants time to be able to establish confidence without feeling like he’s being judged for “doing it wrong” or that any unthinking comments will be made that make him feel inadequate or awkward. He feels that after the first little bit once we’re a bit more established in our roles as new parents to a newborn would be the time to introduce other people to the situation.

We’ve been doing NCT and some of the other couples have spoken about how Covid restrictions and lockdown have meant that they’ve decided to say no visitors at all (eg if they both have sets of divorced parents to choose from, easier to just say no one). I definitely feel that having the restrictions as an excuse to not have streams of visitors coming in and out (which I do remember having when DD was newborn) is a good thing! But I feel just DM is different. But I do understand what DP is saying and would like to be in our own little world for a while too!

I have said to him that if DM doesn’t come to help, then I will need him to step up with the household jobs that she does. Which he’s said he of course would.

Just some other info-
-DM was also her same overbearing self when DD was born but she was still working full time then whereas she has since retired so has a lot more time to dedicate to family. She lives about 45 mins away, so not on the doorstep.
-DP will have 2 weeks paternity leave, and then be back to work, so I suppose that will be the time I really need DM to come during the day and help.

I’m not sure whether I should say to DP- suck it up, I need my DM to help too and if she makes any comments just let them go over your head, she means well and I trust you and know you will be an amazing dad. Or say to DM- when we come out of hospital we want a few days/week where you don’t come round while we find our feet. I know she would be sad about that. Also, she will be looking after DD when we’re in hospital.
Am I overthinking, shall I play it by ear and see how it goes a bit more, or do I need to manage expectations beforehand. I was wondering about saying something to DM like DP is feeling nervous about becoming a new Dad and so to be mindful of being positive and supportive etc and that we’ll need time. I have actually joked to DP to give it a few days and he’ll be ringing her up begging her to come and help out Grin

OP posts:
saraclara · 16/02/2021 09:45

I think replies seem to be saying I should wait and see how it goes, play it by ear.

They're really not. The vast majority are saying that you need to respect your husband and prioritise him in those two weeks that are his only time to to be home with you and the baby, and gain confidence in being a father.

Your DM is the least important person here. You do not need her to do the washing, your DH will be home to do that. It's not as though she'd be quietly and subtly getting on with it in the background.

It really disturbs me that you're putting her ahead of him. He's expressed perfectly sensible reasons why he wants you to have time alone (apart from a meeting the baby stain, presumably) and you seem to want to deny him that.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:45

@nimbuscloud

Why is your mother doing your laundry and clean your bathroom????
Because me and DP both work full time and it’s helpful?
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category12 · 16/02/2021 09:46

Most couples work full-time and do their own washing.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:46

@saraclara

I think replies seem to be saying I should wait and see how it goes, play it by ear.

They're really not. The vast majority are saying that you need to respect your husband and prioritise him in those two weeks that are his only time to to be home with you and the baby, and gain confidence in being a father.

Your DM is the least important person here. You do not need her to do the washing, your DH will be home to do that. It's not as though she'd be quietly and subtly getting on with it in the background.

It really disturbs me that you're putting her ahead of him. He's expressed perfectly sensible reasons why he wants you to have time alone (apart from a meeting the baby stain, presumably) and you seem to want to deny him that.

I’m honestly not trying to put her ahead of him, far from it. I like him a lot more Grin But I think that it would also benefit him to have an extra pair of practical hands on the scene to give us less to worry/stress about. I don’t think he realises what it’s going to be like.
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OutingMyself · 16/02/2021 09:47

Most couples both work full time without unpaid skivvies? It's so bizarre that you let her do this.

combatbarbie · 16/02/2021 09:47

I'm with your DP on this one. It's his first child, he's full of excitement, fear etc do you not remember those feelings OP. Whilst your DM may mean well, I think in the long term it could damage your DM and DPs relationship long term which will in turn cause bigger issues for you all.

By all means let the grandparents (both sets) meet the baby and then firmly say the next week/2 weeks are for the 4 of you to adjust and bond with the baby. Let him find his way.

OutingMyself · 16/02/2021 09:48

I think it's you that doesn't realise what it's going to be like. You will be able to put on a couple of loads of laundry between you just fine without the need to piss off and undermine your partner.

saraclara · 16/02/2021 09:48

@ElspethFlashman

OK I don't get your concerns at all.

They seem to be that you want her there to pass you a top or a pad and do housework.

Those of us who had no mother around might be a bit baffled by your apparent helplessness.

How much housework are you talking about? Laundry? Your DP can do it. It takes half an hour a day at most. Loading the dishwasher? He can do that too.

I'm also confused about the whole "I can talk to her about bodily functions" thing. You can't talk to your DP about that stuff? I did. No choice when I was constipated for 10 days! Sitting on bristly stitches! You don't need to be a woman to go "Awwww....thats shit, love".

I feel very sorry for the guy. He's gonna be a bit player in his babies first two weeks. The only bubble you seem concerned about is you, the baby, and your overbearing and judgey mother.

I think you're really not thinking of his needs AT ALL. And it's going to blow up in your face when the baby comes and he gets fucking furious.

Every single word of this.

I work for your DH. It seems like he's going to continue being a bit player on your family life in the foreseeable future, not just that first week.

You need to loosen those apron strings, OP., and grow up a bit.

saraclara · 16/02/2021 09:49

Worry, not work!

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:49

@category12

Most couples work full-time and do their own washing.
I know, but it’s just a helpful bonus, she already picks DD up from school which is obviously helpful from a childcare point of view and financially but also really nice for DD to not have to go to after school club those days and have a nice time with her grandma- pre-Covid my mum would even have after school play dates by picking up one of DD’s friends too and bringing her to my house for tea, which I could never do as I’d be at work. I know she doesn’t NEED to pop a load of laundry in while she’s here, but she does and I’m grateful.
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persistentwoman · 16/02/2021 09:50

Interested that you think it's OK for your Mum to pull up your DP on handling the baby. I would never dream of criticising my children's partners in their own homes - or anywhere. I help my daughter if asked but never roam around their home doing chores unless it's been negotiated. Your DP is clearly telling you he has a problem and, judging on what you're saying, it seems you're not listening?

Hercules12 · 16/02/2021 09:53

It sounds like you're very used to how much your mother does for you all so much so you don't really get what people are saying about how most people manage babies, working full time and housework without help. I can see why your dh finds this too much - I would hate to have a mil so involved in my family life.

saraclara · 16/02/2021 09:53

But I think that it would also benefit him to have an extra pair of practical hands on the scene to give us less to worry/stress about. I don’t think he realises what it’s going to be like.

No it won't benefit him. Any tiny benefit is going to be massively outweighed by the effect of her presence on his privacy and his confidence.

You're not listening to him at all. Nor are you listening to us. You are so determined to ignore everyone that I think the poor guy is doomed.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:54

@persistentwoman

Interested that you think it's OK for your Mum to pull up your DP on handling the baby. I would never dream of criticising my children's partners in their own homes - or anywhere. I help my daughter if asked but never roam around their home doing chores unless it's been negotiated. Your DP is clearly telling you he has a problem and, judging on what you're saying, it seems you're not listening?
I don’t think it’s ok at all! First of all she hasn’t even said anything yet. She’s also just as likely (more so) to say something critical to me to be honest. It would not be ok with me at all if she said anything critical to him and I’ve already said upthread that I wouldn’t let it go. In the neighbour example I gave in the OP, when she texted to sort of apologise afterwards I replied and said “It isn’t necessary for you to get into a conversation with neighbour about where DP parks his car, and it also not your place to then tell DP about it. Neighbour had actually already spoken to him about it. Next time, just tell me if anything happens”.
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category12 · 16/02/2021 09:56

But I think that it would also benefit him to have an extra pair of practical hands on the scene to give us less to worry/stress about.

No, he thinks he'll be more stressed out by your mother than he will be by anything else. Listen to him and what he wants. You're not his mother.

Overall, the standard of housework is not important over one week. Even if it went completely to pot over the week, it wouldn't matter. You can just concentrate on the dc and each other and not worry about the rest. You have each other.

Potentialscrooge · 16/02/2021 10:01

I can’t understand why a grown woman needs her mother to change her child’s bed and clean her bathroom but that’s not the point of the thread.

Your poor DP, what a invasion of his privacy too. And that DP wants to spend time just as a 4 for a couple of days without MIL giving him “advice” (which she obviously has form for and YOU have not challenged her on as she keeps doing it - even in his own home!) I think it’s lovely he wants a little newborn bubble with you and wants to take care of you himself.

Why wouldn’t one of you be doing housework with a newborn? One of you sorts the baby, the other does a quick tidy/ shove some washing in...

Sorry OP but this is so entitled! I would be have a serious chat with DP about how he actually feels about your DM before he’s had enough. That he’s feeling he’s got to have a big discussion with you to even have a couple of days with his first born without your mother interfering is just sad. It might be easier for you, but what about him?

I think as other posters have said, turn the tables and think how you would feel if it was MIL giving you “advice” and he wasn’t standing up to her as your not. I’m all for a woman having as much support as needed after having a baby, but you have not even let him try and just have him help you. He might say himself after 24/36 hour let’s ask your mum over, but at least you’ve had some time on your own. You’ve said yourself she’s overbearing!

HelenUrth · 16/02/2021 10:02

"he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!!"

This is not normal or acceptable. I do hope you are not going to bring your dd up to feel judged and that she doesn't meet your standards.

Please listen to what people are saying about your relationships. It seems to me you are far too enmeshed with your mother, not your fault, she has brought you up to be like that. But as an adult you should not be under her shadow trying to meet her standards. You need to put up boundaries and consequences to stop her overstepping. Seems like she might apologise after saying the wrong thing but she doesn't change her behaviour so the apologies are meaningless.

Your DH sounds like a good man who isn't being listened to. You may regret one day that you didn't prioritise his feelings over your mother's.

Chickychickydodah · 16/02/2021 10:02

I would let him look after you and tell your mum to give you a few days alone . If she cares about you and your opinion then she will honour this. She will have plenty of time to help when her goes back to work.

Cpl1586407 · 16/02/2021 10:03

Just because you are used to your mum being critical and overbearing it doesn't mean your DP has to 'suck it up'. Some mums don't make their kids feel judged all the time, mine certainly doesn't. She also gets that I'm an adult now, which your my doesn't seem to really understand.

saraclara · 16/02/2021 10:04

You seem to think that your husband doesn't know his own mind. You're being entirely disrespectful of his feelings by pushing this. This is not about getting washing done. This is about one of the most important and formative weeks in his life.

This week will have an important bearing on what sort of father he is, and how much of a parenting and housekeeping partner he is with you as you go forward. It's in your interests as well as his, that he is confident and involves in his parenting in that first week.

For goodness sake, let go of this and listen to him.

larrythelizard · 16/02/2021 10:05

I'm a bit confused too. Newborn babies spend a lot time sleeping and feeding, if baby is breast feeding then your DP won't have anything to do, if baby is sleeping then yes, there's some cuddles but really he can't do anything, so there's plenty of time for one of you to Chuck a load of washing on or make lunch or whatever.

My parents are overbearing (my dad is a bit obsessed with doing 'firsts' with DS which is not his place to for example) and when DS was due I put in some boundaries in order to protect DH. They don't live close so they didn't come for the two weeks (it wasn't practical for them to pop in for a visit).

My immediate priority was to protect DH and not let him get pushed down the pecking order. His feelings were more important to me than my parents.

Whistle73 · 16/02/2021 10:06

I think you are overestimating how much help you are going to need with your second baby. Especially with a seven year old. You really won't want to be shut away cocooning in your dressing gown for two weeks after the birth unless you have a very difficult labour.

A lot of mums are surprised how much easier it is second time round and even (dare I say it?) realise they might have made a bit of a meal of it the first time round!

Covid or not you'll probably be up and about going out for walks, cleaning, shopping etc. At least by the second week of DP's paternity leave.

TheyWentToSeaInASieve · 16/02/2021 10:06

I'd reign your mum in a bit.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 10:07

Thank you for all the responses, including those that do see both sides and understand what I mean but also the ones calling me out- however, please remember this is Relationships, not AIBU.

I will talk to my DM about the first two weeks after the baby is born, asking her to keep away and give us some privacy.

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Dontbeme · 16/02/2021 10:09

@Snowymcsnowsony

Your dp really is the third wheel isn't he?
I feel sorry for him and his mum

she’d be able to pop in for half an hour and have baby cuddles etc, it is her first grandchild so I want her to feel involved, bond and have lovely memories

You want her to feel involved but already dictating how long the visit lasts while your mum, Dobby the house elf, bustles about in the background. Maybe his mother doesn't visit as she feels pushed out by your overbearing mother hanging out all the time.