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Feeling a bit caught between DP and my DMum- new baby on the way

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LittleRa · 16/02/2021 08:50

I’m 37 weeks pregnant with my second baby, however it is my DP’s first (my nearly 7yo DD is from a previous relationship).
Obviously we’re all very excited Grin

Last night DP and I got talking about birth choices and preferences etc, and the conversation also led on to preferences for after the birth, with a newborn baby.

Now, my DMum can be a little bit.... overbearing. We have had some tense moments over the years, but nothing major, no big fall outs, more just frustrations. I think she is kind of a snob and sometimes says things without thinking, she also has ridiculously high standards that she holds me and my sister to. However, I know that this is because she wants the best for us. I think she sometimes forgets we’re grown ups now Grin She also does absolutely loads for me and for DD- she picks my DD up from school two days a week and while she’s at my house she does laundry, cleans the bathroom etc. She’s bought loads of things for the new baby (probably unnecessarily so...) and has washed all the new baby clothes. She sends my DD little presents in the post (during lockdown). She’s very generous and kind.

However, I completely understand this feeling that she gives my DP, that he voiced last night, that she is judgemental or that things one does aren’t good enough for her. Obviously she makes me feel like that- she’s my Mum!! Grin But I’m sad to hear she makes him feel like that too. I’ve told him she doesn’t mean it and it’s just her way, she probably goes home and kicks herself about things she’s said.

An example is that when she was at my house looking after DD, a slightly batty neighbour caught her in the street and said “You have to tell your son in law not to park his car there, as it makes it tricky for me to get my bins through on bin day”. When my DP got home from work, DM passed this “message” on from neighbour, saying things like “it’s important to get along with your neighbours” and suggesting alternative places to park along the street. This got his back up a bit as he didn’t want to be dictated to about where to park, by either the neighbour or DM. Later that night DM texted saying she was sorry she’d got involved, she shouldn’t have said anything etc.

Now, DP is very laid back, and is extremely supportive of me. He’s happy to support my choices in birth, parenting, with the baby etc. However, what was coming out of the conversation last night was that his preference would be to not have DM round on the first few days, maybe first week after the baby is born. I had assumed we would form an under 1s bubble (we already have a childcare bubble for DD but this allows her to look after DD, not to be in the house with me socialising). She’s my DM and I feel like after the birth she will be able to be such a big help- like I said, she does several loads of laundry each time she’s here, changes my DD’s bed sheets, does dishes, she’ll cook if we’re going to be late home from work. Also because she’s my Mum, I’ll feel she can support with more intimate care like if I’m getting breastfeeding established, if I’ve got stitches and am bleeding etc.

DP says he really does appreciate all the things she does for us, but as a first time parent to a newborn (DD was 3 when we met) he wants time to be able to establish confidence without feeling like he’s being judged for “doing it wrong” or that any unthinking comments will be made that make him feel inadequate or awkward. He feels that after the first little bit once we’re a bit more established in our roles as new parents to a newborn would be the time to introduce other people to the situation.

We’ve been doing NCT and some of the other couples have spoken about how Covid restrictions and lockdown have meant that they’ve decided to say no visitors at all (eg if they both have sets of divorced parents to choose from, easier to just say no one). I definitely feel that having the restrictions as an excuse to not have streams of visitors coming in and out (which I do remember having when DD was newborn) is a good thing! But I feel just DM is different. But I do understand what DP is saying and would like to be in our own little world for a while too!

I have said to him that if DM doesn’t come to help, then I will need him to step up with the household jobs that she does. Which he’s said he of course would.

Just some other info-
-DM was also her same overbearing self when DD was born but she was still working full time then whereas she has since retired so has a lot more time to dedicate to family. She lives about 45 mins away, so not on the doorstep.
-DP will have 2 weeks paternity leave, and then be back to work, so I suppose that will be the time I really need DM to come during the day and help.

I’m not sure whether I should say to DP- suck it up, I need my DM to help too and if she makes any comments just let them go over your head, she means well and I trust you and know you will be an amazing dad. Or say to DM- when we come out of hospital we want a few days/week where you don’t come round while we find our feet. I know she would be sad about that. Also, she will be looking after DD when we’re in hospital.
Am I overthinking, shall I play it by ear and see how it goes a bit more, or do I need to manage expectations beforehand. I was wondering about saying something to DM like DP is feeling nervous about becoming a new Dad and so to be mindful of being positive and supportive etc and that we’ll need time. I have actually joked to DP to give it a few days and he’ll be ringing her up begging her to come and help out Grin

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RainingBatsAndFrogs · 16/02/2021 09:28

You need to be upfront and direct (doesn’t need to be hostile or unkind) and tell your Mum that as a first time Dad your DH needs to have his moment, and also enjoy his paternity leave with lots of privacy and chance to learn the ropes of a newborn.

So although a visit will be lovely, to see the baby, all household help will be done by your DH. But it will be lovely to see her more when he goes back to work.

Yes: two adults can manage a household with a 7 year old and a newborn!

I assume your Mum will be needed to care for your Dd during the birth? So she can’t be banished for 2 weeks, she’ll need to bring Dd back, or will be there with Dd when you get home.

Your DH needs to take on board that you have a Dd with needs and she will probably enjoy seeing her grandmother during that period. So it needs to be boundaries rather than banishment.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:29

Those asking about MIL-

I don’t think it’s the same thing in the context of post-natal, which is why I mentioned things like being able to talk about intimate care, bodily functions etc which I would with my DM (don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be thrilled to be telling her all the gory details! But I would feel able to).
MIL lives nearby but works full time. We’ve lived in this house for 2 years and she’s never been round (obviously there’s been Covid for a year of that). Obviously she’s not my DD’s grandparent so she doesn’t do anything with/for her. She’s lovely, I’m sure, but we aren’t close.
HOWEVER I have said to DP I am happy for his DM to come round in the early days too! As she lives nearby she’d be able to pop in for half an hour and have baby cuddles etc, it is her first grandchild so I want her to feel involved, bond and have lovely memories. But it is him who is saying no- due to Covid restrictions. She works in retail and he feels it’s too much of a risk to take with a newborn, and also against the rules (if we form under 1s bubble with my Mum).

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Polaris92 · 16/02/2021 09:29

I'm so torn as I am the DP in this situation. Well, was. I felt like I needed the time by ourselves to begin with, but my partner new that she needed her mum which annoyed me prior to birth. But after 48 hours of labour, 3rd degree stitches, trouble breastfeeding, I was so grateful for all the help we got. I'm a firm believer in the old saying "it takes a village to raise a baby". Doing it just the two of you is not necessary and should not be expected in my opinion. New babies are hard work! I think a couple of days isnt unreasonable though, but I guarantee before the two weeks paternity is up he will be very grateful for any and all additional help.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:30

@category12

(It would be sexist if the reason you wanted your mum was because he didn't do housework.)

If he doesn't think it would be helpful to have your mum there pottering because it will stress him out, then you really need to listen to him. You might feel supported by her, but he doesn't have that, and you really need to give him a chance to adapt and enjoy parenthood without additional stressors.

If it all goes to hell and you don't cope together, then mum is a safety net. But give it a chance as a couple.

He doesn’t not do housework, but I don’t want him to have to focus on housework in the first few weeks when concentrating on bonding with the baby.
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Vetyverio · 16/02/2021 09:30

My MIL is very much involved in BIL/SILs lives in the way you describe OP and I find it totally bizarre. She very much sees herself as the ‘Mum’ of the family and I’ve no idea how SIL tolerates it. If she tries it at my house I feel judged and undermined the was your DP is describing and it gets shut down very quickly.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:31

@Polaris92

I'm so torn as I am the DP in this situation. Well, was. I felt like I needed the time by ourselves to begin with, but my partner new that she needed her mum which annoyed me prior to birth. But after 48 hours of labour, 3rd degree stitches, trouble breastfeeding, I was so grateful for all the help we got. I'm a firm believer in the old saying "it takes a village to raise a baby". Doing it just the two of you is not necessary and should not be expected in my opinion. New babies are hard work! I think a couple of days isnt unreasonable though, but I guarantee before the two weeks paternity is up he will be very grateful for any and all additional help.
Thanks for giving the DP perspective, and I did think of the “it takes a village” saying.
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Cocolapew · 16/02/2021 09:32

You need to listen to what your DP is saying.
If you're at home with the new naby you don't need your mum around to do so much surely? I'm sure you're perfectly capable of getting a clean top by yourself Confused.

persistentwoman · 16/02/2021 09:32

Sounds like you need to manage expectations OP. How receptive is your Mum to feedback? My instinct is that you need an assertive but kind discussion with your Mum. "Mum, I know you do so much for us but I want to make sure that OH properly bonds with baby in our new family so am going to ask you to give us a bit of space while he's got his paternity leave? It's only 2 weeks and I want him to step up to the plate." ..... plus a suggestion of when she could call in?

While I appreciate your need for support from your Mum the fact that your OH has actually voiced his unease needs hearing.

QforCucumber · 16/02/2021 09:33

'DM drop DD off at the door and away you go, we’ll see you in 2 weeks'

Pretty much yes, when I had ds2 in June ds1 stayed with mil for 2 nights. We got home and she brought him back came in for an hour then left. She knew we wanted time not just for us to settle back at home but for ds1 to get used to the changes too. Ds1 is 4 and it was a big change for him too, its going to be the same for your eldest, it's not just you and your dh now who you need to think of.

Difference is, my mil actually said herself to just give her a call in a few days when we were all sorted and she would be at hand to help when needed, not pushy not just turning up and not criticising.

nimbuscloud · 16/02/2021 09:33

Why is your mother doing your laundry and clean your bathroom????

Nanny0gg · 16/02/2021 09:33

My view as a GM:

If she's looking after DD she can bring her home, have a quick cuddle and a cup of tea.

Just forwarn her that after that you just need a couple of weeks on your own to settle in as a family. If she wants to drop off a couple of casseroles however, that would be appreciated!

YoniAndGuy · 16/02/2021 09:34

I suppose maybe I feel a bit guilty since DM does so much so help, telling her not to come- e.g. she’s looking after DD while we’re in hospital having the baby, it could be days (I was in 3 days when I had DD), what am I going to do when I get home, ok DM drop DD off at the door and away you go, we’ll see you in 2 weeks.

Maybe it would be useful in that it would make her realise that her comments have an effect, and help draw some new boundaries where she starts to respect that she's in someone else's home - not an extension of the situation when you were her child and she could bustle around 'being mum' and in charge.

Cocolapew · 16/02/2021 09:35

Telling her mum that she wants her DP to step up to the plate makes it sound like he doesn't do anything though.

Snowymcsnowsony · 16/02/2021 09:36

Your dp really is the third wheel isn't he?

Butterymuffin · 16/02/2021 09:36

I am puzzled by the relationship with your mum. You've said you're not super close, yet you can talk to her about things you wouldn't to anyone else. You get a lot of help from her with fairly everyday things (DH and I also both have FT stressful jobs but without family locally to help, we just have to get on with it) and she is very en meshed in your life with the washing and all. Does that mean she's in your bedroom and puts your partner's stuff in to wash as well? How do you think that would feel if you were in his shoes? Plus the one option you don't seem willing to consider is to tell her to not say patronising and overbearing things at the time she says them. Why is that out of the question and why is it you and your partner who have to just suck it up?

The new baby will make more work, for sure, but that won't last forever. I think you should reflect on how dependent you are on your mum in day to day matters and how this may affect other people in your life.

LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:37

I do find it hard with my Mum to get the balance right between her doing stuff that is helpful and then overstepping the mark. I don’t feel she’s overly involved in my every day life.

By the way, I do I feel that if my mum were to make a comment to DP such as “ooh don’t hold her like that... hold her like this...” then I would definitely say “Mum! Let him do it himself!”
I also think it’s a bit unrealistic for him to expect to never encounter any comments (from my DM or otherwise) along the parenting journey that might make him feel judged or whatever, and that you need to learn to let them go over your head. Or is that just Mums who feel like that, not Dads? When I had DD I can remember passing comments from visitors (“Eeeh you’re so rough with her!” from a colleague as I held week old DD under the chin to wind her, and comments from strangers on breastfeeding in public- both positive and negative). Although of course, the first couple of weeks are particularly tender and maybe any comments that come after that you feel more equipped to deal with once you’ve established yourself a bit more.

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OutingMyself · 16/02/2021 09:38

He doesn’t not do housework, but I don’t want him to have to focus on housework in the first few weeks when concentrating on bonding with the baby.

That's a really odd thing to say. Who would do it if you didn't have your mum as a potential cleaner? Are you having a planned csection? Because otherwise you can surely take it in turns to hold the baby and put some washing in the machine?

ElspethFlashman · 16/02/2021 09:39

OK I don't get your concerns at all.

They seem to be that you want her there to pass you a top or a pad and do housework.

Those of us who had no mother around might be a bit baffled by your apparent helplessness.

How much housework are you talking about? Laundry? Your DP can do it. It takes half an hour a day at most. Loading the dishwasher? He can do that too.

I'm also confused about the whole "I can talk to her about bodily functions" thing. You can't talk to your DP about that stuff? I did. No choice when I was constipated for 10 days! Sitting on bristly stitches! You don't need to be a woman to go "Awwww....thats shit, love".

I feel very sorry for the guy. He's gonna be a bit player in his babies first two weeks. The only bubble you seem concerned about is you, the baby, and your overbearing and judgey mother.

I think you're really not thinking of his needs AT ALL. And it's going to blow up in your face when the baby comes and he gets fucking furious.

user1493413286 · 16/02/2021 09:40

I would say to your mum that your DP is a bit nervous and can she be mindful of what she says. My mil can be quite overbearing but equally she does loads for us and it’s all from a lovely place; DH pulls her up on it if she’s being too much and she’ll realise it herself.
I would definitely play it by ear a bit as you don’t really know how things will be; after my second my mil looked after DD and we’d planned for her to go home the day after we got back but in the end she stayed for longer as we needed the help. I think it would be fair for her to come a couple of times during the two weeks that your DP is off; I think he’ll probably appreciate the chance to have a bit of help if it’s not too much then once he’s back at work it’s up to you.

Dumakey · 16/02/2021 09:40

Your Dp shouldn't be treated like a third wheel. I also think that you and your Dp need to do your own housework and not rely on your mother. You are grownups and that is what grownups do. You cant have it both ways.

OutingMyself · 16/02/2021 09:41

Personally I wouldn't tell someone who is already over stepping boundaries that your DP is 'nervous', that would be a red flag to a bull!

category12 · 16/02/2021 09:43

By the way, I do I feel that if my mum were to make a comment to DP such as “ooh don’t hold her like that... hold her like this...” then I would definitely say “Mum! Let him do it himself!”
I also think it’s a bit unrealistic for him to expect to never encounter any comments (from my DM or otherwise) along the parenting journey that might make him feel judged or whatever

But we're not talking about him never having any criticism or feedback, we're talking about him having one week with just you and dc. Where you can be the one to gently steer him, rather than someone rather tactless who he doesn’t really want around. You're going to create resentment. Give the poor guy a break.

morninglive · 16/02/2021 09:43

With the DP on this. Your DM can visit to meet her new GC but not to stay. You need to talk to her kindly about this as she is so good to you as a family.

ElspethFlashman · 16/02/2021 09:43

Christ if my MIL was washing my tatty stained knickers I'd die.

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LittleRa · 16/02/2021 09:44

@Snowymcsnowsony

Your dp really is the third wheel isn't he?
God no, they don’t really have much to do with each other to be honest. Like I say, she picks DD up from school two days a week so on those two days she’ll get to my house mid-afternoon (while we’re at work) and get a load of laundry in, start something for tea and clean round the bathroom, walk up to collect DD from school, get home, hang the laundry out and put another load in, play/read with DD, give her her tea and by then I’m usually getting home from work, we’ll chat for a few moments then she’ll leave, usually before DP is home from work, or sometimes as he’s getting home and they’ll exchange pleasantries.
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