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SIL and money issues

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ChopinandChampagne · 24/01/2021 13:01

I recently lost my DH and I thought that it would be nice to give some money to my DGDs, both toddlers, to set aside for their future as a gift from him. Realistically, they will not remember him, but I thought that if they have some money to spend on travel or driving lessons or to help with their university costs or whatever, they would think of him and know how much he loved them, even though he didn't live to see them grow up.

I did some internet research and the suggestions were for a Junior Isa, which a parent would need to set up, and I would then pay into, and the child could access at 18. Alternatively, a savings account, which I would be able to set up as a grandparent, as long as I produce a copy of the birth certificate, which the child can access and take over at 16.

So far, so good and, I thought, relatively uncontroversial, so I suggested it to my DD and said that I wanted to give each of the DGDs £10k from DH and the options. I said that I wanted it to be a separate account and that suggested that she open a Junior Isa or that I should open a savings account. Her response was that she would have to discuss it with SIL and I said fine, thought no more it. Then, I sense that there is a bit of tension and DD says she wants to set up a telephone call with both her and SIL one evening, to discuss the matter after the DGDs are in bed. This was a text, so I reply saying fine, is now a good time, but DD said not, but we could schedule a couple of days later, but only if she has completed her coursework for her studies.

Then, a couple of days ago, I receive an email from SIL, from whom I never hear anything direct, advising me that if I really want to put money in an account, he will open one, but that he thinks that it is a bad idea, as inflation will erode the money. He thinks I should invest it in gold bullion or some other specific account (he says he has recently opened one for DD), and he provided links to various websites.

The tone of the email comes across, not as friendly advice, but telling me what to do. I have said that I will have a rethink, but I am worried about offending him if I don't follow his advice. I feel that he is trying to control how I invest the money. He refers to it as my wanting to invest for the DGD's future, which it is partly, but it is also about wanting the DGDs to remember or be reminded of DH. I don't really want to invest in bullion, as I think it's a bit volatile, and the idea of a bank account is that the DGDs would get the bank statements and maybe learn how to save.

Does anyone have any advice on how best to handle this diplomatically? There is quite a bit of history with SIL (Lobster Boy for those who remember my previous threads), but things are on a reasonably even keel at present and I currently have a good relationship with DD, which I don't want to upset. She says that there is no rush to decide how best to invest the money, it is important to get it right.

OP posts:
billybagpuss · 24/01/2021 13:44

Hi @ChopinandChampagne

You really are on eggshells here considering the history. Bullion can be a good solid investment but as with everything it is subject to market variations. From your previous threads I am very mistrusting of LB particularly where money is concerned. If you’ve put them off for a while I wonder if it’s worth having a chat with a financial advisor to see if they have any suggestions, you could maybe do it along side making sure any future grandchildren maybe from your other DD’s are included too which could perhaps help with the diplomacy situation. Although doesn’t help with dgds getting statements and having a link with dgf which is a lovely idea.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 24/01/2021 13:44

I remember all your threads and wanted to send you my deepest sympathy on your loss Flowers.

Just say, no, I want to do something I understand and that is personal to my DH. That all sounds very clever and I will leave you to do it with your money, but I will do something simple. And never mention it again.

Am glad things are better.

OhioOhioOhio · 24/01/2021 13:44

Good point saraclara

Plonque · 24/01/2021 13:44

Except OP's money could easily disappear in care costs before then. Neither of my DC's GP's have/had anything left to leave. So my mum's instructions in her will for her GPs are meaningless. There's nothing there any more.

In that situation it would appear that the GPs can't afford to be giving their cash away and they need it more than the GC need a free handout.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 24/01/2021 13:45

Oh, and make sure your will is watertight!

burnoutbabe · 24/01/2021 13:45

he is right in the sense that £10k now put into a bank account will grow by 1-2% over next 20 years, so not be worth much more (with inflation taken into account)

but £10k in a share isa may grow much better.
But i'd not say go completely OTT and go gold or high risk, just something better than cash in a bank account.

Scottishskifun · 24/01/2021 13:46

He sounds like a cockwomble!

My DH had a stock's and shares set up by his great Aunt who put conditions on it so he could only access after 21 and crucially it could only be withdrawn by him. It actually paid a good chunk of our house deposit. There are several companies that can do this yes it's a bit more up and down but the initial 2K turned into 25K over the 20 years. If you're worried about him being controlling or pressuring your DD this could be an option for you as only your DGD will be able to access them when at age. Savings accounts can be closed by a parent who shows a birth certificate.

trolltrollingsheep · 24/01/2021 13:50

OP they are so ungrateful.
If my DH's parents or my parents for that matter would propose this for my DS I would not question it as it's totally up to them how they wish to proceed.

They are so lucky and yet so ungrateful.

Nanny2many · 24/01/2021 13:50

I remember you from before and I am so, so sorry to hear about your husband.

To be honest I would advise you either go ahead and invest in the ISa as per your original idea. Or. Hang on to it for the kids when they get older. Your DD could well also need it if she ever decides to leave the husband.
I’ve a feeling he was a bit of a money vampire and now he knows about this gift will not let it lie until he get you do so what he wants with it.
Good luck xxxx

billybagpuss · 24/01/2021 13:50

@Scottishskifun

He sounds like a cockwomble!

My DH had a stock's and shares set up by his great Aunt who put conditions on it so he could only access after 21 and crucially it could only be withdrawn by him. It actually paid a good chunk of our house deposit. There are several companies that can do this yes it's a bit more up and down but the initial 2K turned into 25K over the 20 years. If you're worried about him being controlling or pressuring your DD this could be an option for you as only your DGD will be able to access them when at age. Savings accounts can be closed by a parent who shows a birth certificate.

This is perfect, but in this case cockwomble is the understatement of the century and is an insult to wombles. It won’t help with the diplomacy element though.
Donann · 24/01/2021 13:57

Say it was DH wishes for whatever option you want to go with, you are going to respect those.

Allgirlskidsanddogs · 24/01/2021 13:57

I’m so sorry to hear about your lovely DH.

Lobster Boy is obviously up to his old tricks. Avoid. Tell them you have changed your mind and then invest it in some way for your DGC without involving their parents, I wouldn’t even tell them. Maybe premium bonds? When you make your will make sure that your instructions are explicit so that Lobster Boy can’t acquire their bequests.

saraclara · 24/01/2021 13:59

@Plonque

Except OP's money could easily disappear in care costs before then. Neither of my DC's GP's have/had anything left to leave. So my mum's instructions in her will for her GPs are meaningless. There's nothing there any more.

In that situation it would appear that the GPs can't afford to be giving their cash away and they need it more than the GC need a free handout.

No. My mum owned two houses and had a good amount of savings. She intended giving both girls a house deposit, and could have afforded to. But a massive stroke ten years ago left her severely disabled, and she has been in a nursing home/extra care facility ever since. It's all gone. £6,000 a month living and care costs will do that.
AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/01/2021 14:06

Your daughter cannot do a single thing in that house without his say so or knowledge and she sadly remains very much under his coercive control. Sadly too she may never escape him and perhaps only realise his true nature when the kids have left home and its just she and him. He really does have champagne tastes but beer money.

I think you have underestimated here just how much by now she is being controlled by him. Your mistake here was to tell your DD about this in the first place because as night follows day she was going to run it past him.

I would now leave funds to your grandchildren without telling your daughter directly and for any moneies you leave to them to be placed in trust until they are 30 or at least 25.

TillyTopper · 24/01/2021 14:10

How absolutely rude of them!! Personally I'd do a rethink - keep the money and I'd put it in my will to them if I still wanted to do it. If they are cheeky enough to ask when the money is coming the rethink was they didn't get it yet and it's in your will. Which it may, or may not be, by the time your will is read!!

FLOrenze · 24/01/2021 14:11

I would say you are thinking about it. Then I would invest the money yourself and leave it to them in your Will. If you are still around when they are are adults you can give it to them directly.

MagnoliaBeige · 24/01/2021 14:15

I don’t know the backstory but I’d go with either premium bonds or invest it in your name as you wish to and make mention of it in your will.

I’m sorry for your loss xx

burnoutbabe · 24/01/2021 14:18

now i know the backstory, I'd definately just put it in an account in your name with their name also on the account (that used to be a thing with building society books). something that you control anyway, not them.

Not doing anything may cause more issues - he can twist it - but least this way you can show you did what you said (at minimal risk to the money)

whiteroseredrose · 24/01/2021 14:19

He is right in that long term cash savings may erode with inflation.

However, a quick Google shows junior ISAs with rates of 2.50 - 2.95% which is much higher than an adult equivalent. It will depend on inflation, which currently under 1% DH tells me.

So by my calculations that is still. growth.

Meandmouse · 24/01/2021 14:26

I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your DH. I remember your previous threads.
I too would just do what I wish to do with the money and not involve your SIL or DD.
My thoughts are with you and your daughters

Gemma2019 · 24/01/2021 14:26

So sorry to hear about your husband. As much as I hate Lobster boy from previous posts, I do agree that it would be a waste to put £10k in a savings account with rates as they are.

Take the parents out of the equation and invest the money in your name with an investment company, and name the children as designated beneficiaries either on your death or at the age of 21. I do this for my godchildren through an investment management company and the money is invested in medium risk options. Two of the children's parents have no idea I have invested money for them as I know it will cause issues and they will want to take over.

WeAreShiningStars · 24/01/2021 14:27

Do what you want and what is easiest for you to sort.

An junior ISA account or trust with your name tied to it and your grandchildren would probably be best, so their ungrateful, rude parents can't access it, and that's clearly from you/your deceased DH. The grandchildren will be thrilled to have it someday.

No good deed goes unpunished, clearly.

saraclara · 24/01/2021 14:29

When is it didn't grow that much, it's still a £10k GIFT which the GCs wouldn't otherwise have, which the parents should show some graciousness in accepting on their behalf, and facilitate by providing the birth certificates etc needed.

ForensicAccountant · 24/01/2021 14:31

You should never put all your eggs in one basket, especially not one made from paper hanging over a fire.
Tell him you are speaking to a financial adviser to make sure you invest in something that meets your risk profile whilst generating some return for your DGS.

partyatthepalace · 24/01/2021 14:33

Say you will think and then I would do a bit of reading and check in with a financial adviser. It sounds like SIL is v controlling of your daughter, so if you can find an option you can set up that would be easier - you can just do it and present it -

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