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To flee to a friend's?

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AIBU124 · 29/12/2020 01:15

NC for this as I want to keep this as anonymous as possible.

Bit of a muddle, this one. I'll try to keep it as simple as poss. I'm in my early 20's and still live with my mum as I've had a rough go of it with mental health over the years and struggle with some of the independence that comes with being an adult. My mum has had chronic pain over the years as well, and also struggles with her mental health.

The family as a whole has an issue with letting the house turn into a tip, and I'm one of the worst offenders. I seem to almost be blind to mess and clutter, and can easily sit in a room for days letting mess accumulate around me. It's been this way since I was very little and all concentrated efforts only last for a few days before it all falls apart again.

This, understandably, has always upset my mum. It's one of our biggest causes of arguments, and while most of these are unpleasant at best, sometimes when she explodes, she, well- Explodes.

Today was one of those times. To cut an already long post short, there was an argument over not being up at an early enough time to help clean the house, and not tidying the kitchen the day before. I must admit that I'd frozen up and was non-responsive at this time, and didn't move when she told me to leave the room. In anger, she grabbed me by the throat and pushed me back into the wall, which was enough to make me hyperventilate from fear and panic while she shouted at me.

After cursing at me to move, and being too frozen to do so, she pulled me hard by the hair once, as if she was going to drag me to the kitchen, which was enough for me to stumble out. I stumbled my way through the tidying in tears, still breathing hard and dry-heaving a few times.

When I brought it up to her a few hours later, after talking with friends and having them point out that, as in the wrong as I was for not pulling my weight, it wasn't right for her to physically threaten me like that, I brought it up to her over dinner. I said it was scary to go through and made me not want to be around her, and that if a partner were to do the same to me I would be told to leave them. She apologised, but countered that it was also abusive and shitty of me to chronically fail to help her out when she asked.

I feel like us being around each other at this point is feeding into our respective mental health issues. I am frightened at not being able to read when she'll get overtly angry (she normally keeps it to raising her voice, slamming doors, and throwing objects), and she is understandably hurt and frustrated at my chronic failures at keeping the house clean. (Recently diagnosed with adhd but that's not a complete excuse, plenty of others with adhd can clean up after themselves).

When I told a friend this he said that I should consider contacting the housing office for help tomorrow, and graciously offered to let me stay with him to create some space and help me feel a little steadier. I know we're in the midst of lockdown, but I can barely look at my mum and the tension between us is thick enough to cut with a knife. I don't know if I can feel the same amount of trust for her again, as dramatic as that is.

So am I being unreasonable to go to my friend's? Am I not putting enough blame on myself?

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 29/12/2020 01:21

Your mother was wrong to physically hurt you.

However, you know what you should be doing and her frustration in having to clean up after yourself is no doubt frustrating.

I woulda suggest you leave abs see how others react to your inability to be clean.

I doubt others would be happy to do your dirty work either.

Get some space and learn how to take care of yourself, for your own sake.

user1473878824 · 29/12/2020 01:26

@BluebellsGreenbells If a woman’s partner had pushed her into a wall by her throat and dragged her by the hair because she wouldn’t clean up to his standards would you say that to her?

@AIBU124 I was ready to say you were being unreasonable when you said you were messy - her reaction is abuse. As your friend said, if a partner did this to you you would see that. Absolutely leave.

Seafog · 29/12/2020 01:27

Do you contribute financially to the household?

Seafog · 29/12/2020 01:28

Sorry, posted tomorrow soon!She should not have got physical, and for sure it is time for you to move out.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/12/2020 01:32

Your mother should never lay a hand on you, ever, for any reason. She was totally out of order and I'm very sorry you had to experience that.

I think you should leave and stay gone. You and your mum are a powder keg just waiting to explode. You do need to take responsibility for being such a slob in your mother's home, and that level of laziness and disrespect is out of order as well. I'm sorry, but as an adult you can't use lame excuses like you're "blind" to the mess. If you need to, you could put a reminder in your phone to clean up. As someone, like your mum, who keeps a very tidy home, I could not tolerate a mess like that and it would severely impact my mental health to deal with it. Again, your mother becoming violent was 100% wrong, but I can understand her anger and frustration. She probably felt very disrespected and taken for granted.

Bottom line, you and your mum should not be living together, for both of your sakes. If you do stay with a friend, please be sure to clean up after yourself every single day or your friendship may not last very long.

Stompythedinosaur · 29/12/2020 01:32

I think it is good to move out if you can. Your mum's violence is obviously wrong. But expecting you to pull your weight in the housework is perfectly reasonable, and I think you need to prioritise this.

AIBU124 · 29/12/2020 01:35

@Seafog

Do you contribute financially to the household?
Yes, I pay "digs". However I know this isn't the same as actively paying half of the rent (although we do live in a council home where rent is greatly reduced, if that helps).

Thank you for the honest advice. Friends are great for emotional support but they have a tendency to sugar-coat the negative part you play in a situation and I need more brutal honesty if I want to improve both for my sake and the people I care about.

I'm also currently trying to seek help medically via medication and life-skill coaching, which is unfortunately slow-going Blush

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CoRhona · 29/12/2020 01:36

Move out for both your sakes.

UndertheCedartree · 29/12/2020 01:39

She physically abused you. You should move out as I don't think it will be any good to either of your mental healths to stay together.

Do you have a care co, cpn or social worker? Have you thought about supportive accomodation?

Hoping211 · 29/12/2020 01:46

Nothing justifies abusing someone, as your mum has done. Both today's violence and throwing objects/slamming doors is abusive. Moving to a friend's seems like a good course of action, you deserve to live in a space where you're not at risk of abuse/being abused. I'd also suggest asking MNHQ to move this thread from AIBU to Relationships, where I think you'd recieve more helpful responses. I'm so sorry that you're having to deal with this, you do not deserve it x

Aquamarine1029 · 29/12/2020 01:48

Yes, as @Hoping211 recommend, ask MN to move this to Relationships. You can do so by "reporting" your own post and asking them to move it.

SonEtLumiere · 29/12/2020 01:49

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popsydoodle4444 · 29/12/2020 01:51

If a partner did that to this young woman we'd all be shouting at her to contact the police as it's assault (which it is) and to get the hell out of there.

She is being bullied in her own home regardless of the cause.Domestic violence is not limited to just abuse from partners.Please consider calling women's aid or national domestic violence helpline.You should definitely seriously consider your friends offer.Please also contact your GP for help with your mental health.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 29/12/2020 01:54

Please leave and never look back. My mum was like this. All of it. She had the "chronic illness making it impossible for her to do anything" that meant I had to do all the housework and care for her from the age of 9. The first time she attacked me, she was testing the waters to see what I did. The next time, she tried to kill me and almost succeeded.
You are NOT the messy one, she is gaslighting you and her explosive temper is her way of controlling you. You'll see it all so clearly once you're away from her for long enough. She seems nice when she's not mad at you doesn't she? That's how she keeps you there. Run run run and never stop running until you get somewhere safe. Don't let anyone make you go back there.
Flowers

Porridgeoat · 29/12/2020 02:01

You need to go to the housing department and present yourself first thing as homeless due to abusive relationship. Sofa surfing still labels you as homeless. Your friends are correct.

On a different note owning less stuff, really pairing back so you have minimal items will make remaining tidy easy for even the most chaotic person. The first step is to have very thorough chuck out

notangelinajolie · 29/12/2020 02:04

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EachDubh · 29/12/2020 02:09

WhatTiggersDoBest
I'm sorry for your experience but you have read a massive amount into thos post that doesn't seem to come from the op. You may be correct but you may not.

Op, I think moving out needs to happen. It sounds as if you both live in a volatile, semi abusive relationship. Your mother has no right to ever lay hands on you, full stop. But the rest, you don't tidy, for some people that is also abuse, mental abuse.
Perhaps you moving out and both of you getting some help to deal with these emotions will help you both to trust each other again.
Take care, but seek help so you can live your life fully and independently.

user1473878824 · 29/12/2020 02:15

Look I agree that the OP needs to step up with the cleaning, it’s just an adult thing people need to do. But if a boyfriend had done this to her no one would be saying that, they’d be talking about her ADHD diagnosis and whatever else. Her mother grabbed her by the throat and dragged her by the hair. Not suggesting she lives with other people and see how long they put up with mess. For fuck’s sake.

Zoinksalot · 29/12/2020 02:15

Wow mumsnet astonishes me at times. Youve been assaulted in your own home and you're being told its your fault and people are sympathising with your abusers.

We all know the response on this post had this been about a man rather than your mother....

Youve been assaulted and there is no excuse for that. If you're no longer safe in that home you need to leave and present a case to the council ASAP.

user1473878824 · 29/12/2020 02:17

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WhatTiggersDoBest · 29/12/2020 02:19

@EachDubh

*WhatTiggersDoBest* I'm sorry for your experience but you have read a massive amount into thos post that doesn't seem to come from the op. You may be correct but you may not.

Op, I think moving out needs to happen. It sounds as if you both live in a volatile, semi abusive relationship. Your mother has no right to ever lay hands on you, full stop. But the rest, you don't tidy, for some people that is also abuse, mental abuse.
Perhaps you moving out and both of you getting some help to deal with these emotions will help you both to trust each other again.
Take care, but seek help so you can live your life fully and independently.

Well everyone else has, too, they've just all automatically taken the side of the mother who for years has told this poor woman she is messy. Look at the words she's using, she is literally conditioned to say this deprecating rubbish about herself and we have no way of knowing if she is genuinely messy or not. If her mother is like my mother, every time I tried to leave I was manipulated into staying until I finally got away at 18. No one believed me then, either. I have nothing to prove here and I don't need validation, I already got my life back. OP will know if I'm right, and if it means she gets the strength and confidence to escape that's all I care about. If I'm wrong... well I'm just blowing smoke like everyone else on this thread. Either way, OP, I wish you well.
sergeilavrov · 29/12/2020 02:23

Ignore everyone who says anything other than leave - they are abuse apologists who think it's fine because it's a woman doing it. I don't care if you have been squatting down and shitting on the carpet, there is no excuse for the physical abuser she is. Pack an overnight bag, go, and never return for the rest without someone who can protect you.

EachDubh · 29/12/2020 02:24

WhatTiggersDoBest
I hope you are ok and am glad you have escaped what must have been an awful life. You are right we are all reading into what the op has written and applying our own experience and logic. If one post helps then it is very much worth it.
Best wishes to you.

UndertheCedartree · 29/12/2020 02:26

I also think people just telling the OP to grow up and that she's just being lazy need to remember that not everyone can live independently or at least not with some support. That's why supported accomodation exists. OP hasn't told us much about her mental health so I don't know if this is relevant or not but it could be. There are mental illnesses where lack of motivation is a symptom - the person is not just being lazy.

SisterlyCare · 29/12/2020 02:30

Move out, if you can’t start paying a lot more than you do.. both to cover for the space you live in and for the amount of work you create (might be more than half the rent)..

But not to expect your mother to do the cleaning and instead pay for a cleaner no matter how expensive you found it..

You need to get intervention as your mother has assaulted you physically.. I don’t think it’s abuse as you are both equivelant in power and both adult females. But it was assault

Get an aunt or someone from her side..
and let them know what happened and get your mother to accept her behaviour was massively overstepping.. and then agree to what you will do to make things better from your side

Agree on a date to revisit this aunt .. maybe her favorite aunt who always sticks up for her and maybe an aunt from your side who always empathises with you and you agree with her what you will do differently and she gets to follow things up with you on your flaws and help you change..

If this doesn’t result in a solution.. long term agreement.. then simply move out..