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To flee to a friend's?

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AIBU124 · 29/12/2020 01:15

NC for this as I want to keep this as anonymous as possible.

Bit of a muddle, this one. I'll try to keep it as simple as poss. I'm in my early 20's and still live with my mum as I've had a rough go of it with mental health over the years and struggle with some of the independence that comes with being an adult. My mum has had chronic pain over the years as well, and also struggles with her mental health.

The family as a whole has an issue with letting the house turn into a tip, and I'm one of the worst offenders. I seem to almost be blind to mess and clutter, and can easily sit in a room for days letting mess accumulate around me. It's been this way since I was very little and all concentrated efforts only last for a few days before it all falls apart again.

This, understandably, has always upset my mum. It's one of our biggest causes of arguments, and while most of these are unpleasant at best, sometimes when she explodes, she, well- Explodes.

Today was one of those times. To cut an already long post short, there was an argument over not being up at an early enough time to help clean the house, and not tidying the kitchen the day before. I must admit that I'd frozen up and was non-responsive at this time, and didn't move when she told me to leave the room. In anger, she grabbed me by the throat and pushed me back into the wall, which was enough to make me hyperventilate from fear and panic while she shouted at me.

After cursing at me to move, and being too frozen to do so, she pulled me hard by the hair once, as if she was going to drag me to the kitchen, which was enough for me to stumble out. I stumbled my way through the tidying in tears, still breathing hard and dry-heaving a few times.

When I brought it up to her a few hours later, after talking with friends and having them point out that, as in the wrong as I was for not pulling my weight, it wasn't right for her to physically threaten me like that, I brought it up to her over dinner. I said it was scary to go through and made me not want to be around her, and that if a partner were to do the same to me I would be told to leave them. She apologised, but countered that it was also abusive and shitty of me to chronically fail to help her out when she asked.

I feel like us being around each other at this point is feeding into our respective mental health issues. I am frightened at not being able to read when she'll get overtly angry (she normally keeps it to raising her voice, slamming doors, and throwing objects), and she is understandably hurt and frustrated at my chronic failures at keeping the house clean. (Recently diagnosed with adhd but that's not a complete excuse, plenty of others with adhd can clean up after themselves).

When I told a friend this he said that I should consider contacting the housing office for help tomorrow, and graciously offered to let me stay with him to create some space and help me feel a little steadier. I know we're in the midst of lockdown, but I can barely look at my mum and the tension between us is thick enough to cut with a knife. I don't know if I can feel the same amount of trust for her again, as dramatic as that is.

So am I being unreasonable to go to my friend's? Am I not putting enough blame on myself?

OP posts:
Branleuse · 29/12/2020 12:41

I think its ridiculous that my comment has been deleted, considering im talking from direct experience of similar and put a lot of thought into it.
The mother in that situation clearly needs support, as does the OP here

SoupDragon · 29/12/2020 12:43

I do not think whaa is the mother but I agree with her.

You agree with someone who clearly was deleted for saying the mother was OK to have assaulted the OP?

CrotchBurn · 29/12/2020 12:56

@Branleuse
Yes it's absolutely ridiculous.

As a woman who has ADHD and MH issues I find it frankly insulting that people would be clamouring to use this as justification for treating people like shit. Same when you read about abusive partners on here and posters suggest they may be autistic.

ADHD doesn't prevent you from making an effort to keep someone else's space in a state they are happy with. When I go and stay with my neat freak mum I make sure to do things that feel completely unnatural to me like washing up my mug as soon as I'm done a d asking her what chores she needs doing that day.

This is why people leave home when they become adults.

GoldenLabbie · 29/12/2020 13:16

@Branleuse

I think its ridiculous that my comment has been deleted, considering im talking from direct experience of similar and put a lot of thought into it. The mother in that situation clearly needs support, as does the OP here
Would you think the OPs father needed ‘ a lot of support’ if he had grabbed her by the throat and pulled her hair? I think we both no the answer to that question don’t we?

Your comment was deleted because it was a load of victim blaming tosh.

Branleuse · 29/12/2020 13:26

no, but that isnt what happened either. If a young adult man was with a single parent father and taking the absolute piss, and the dad squared up to him after being at the end of his tether, then that would be equivalent. The parent fucked up, and I said that.
A lot of you havent got the slightest clue about the realities of neurodiverse families and the real life issues that crop up. Executive function issues, combining with emotional regulation issues. Everyone having mental health struggles and the mother struggling with chronic pain too.
I was trying to see it from both sides to be actually constructive, not to victim blame.

GoldenLabbie · 29/12/2020 13:37

Stop trying to justify your comments. A young woman came here looking for support after being assaulted by a parent and you and a few other vipers decided to pile onto her instead with no though or concern as to whether she was safe or how she was. The lengths some of you will go to try minimise the actions of violent women (because some women are violent you know) are disgusting.

Branleuse · 29/12/2020 13:41

thats not actually true at all, and not what I did and not what I said.
This woman moves out to someone elses with the same issues and calls the police on the her mother? What next. Youre the one who has no constructive comment. My post was actually talking about strategies and how to mend this

MeMarmiteYouJam · 29/12/2020 13:48

I have messy teens, and used to have a very messy lodger. Not once - ever! - did I think the solution to dirty dishes, laundry, and random detritus strewn around my house was to grab hold of the messy person by the throat and pull them out of the room by their hair. (and I find mess/chaos almost intolerable at times)

OP, it doesn't matter what you've done, or haven't done. You don't deserve to be abused. Please leave and find somewhere safe, as soon as possible. You do deserve a better life than this.

YouokHun · 29/12/2020 14:00

@AIBU124 I don’t know if you’ve come across ADDitude? It’s an American site and some of the resources aren’t always relevant in the U.K. but it has some interesting articles about ADD/inattentive ADHD and its various impacts and you might find some of it interesting/helpful. I hope you’re able to find a solution to your current difficulties. I think many of us recognise the problems you’re having day to day and the impact poor MH and neuro-diversity of family members is having on your family in general. www.additudemag.com/

ChristmasBubble · 29/12/2020 14:07

She shouldn't have treated you like that under any circumstances. No excuses.

I'm autistic and am almost incapable of keeping my house clean and tidy. I completely hate it about myself. I have a degree from Cambridge and a handful of post grad qualifications including a masters and yet I can't tidy. So for people saying 'grow up' and learn, it really isn't easy for some of us. I read your whole post wondering if you might be autistic too especially when you describe how you freeze and then saw your line about ADHD, which is hugely relevant.

CrotchBurn · 29/12/2020 15:05

@GoldenLabbie
You are massively overinvested in this. Projecting much?

Hailtomyteeth · 29/12/2020 15:19

You need to tell the police, if you haven't already. Then approach the local authority - their domestic violence unit and housing. Social services might also be worth a call.

You and your mother both have mental health issues and you should not be living together. You ate a vulnerable person. You need rehoming urgently. Make sure everyone knows.

Imagine a man had grabbed you by the throat and pinned you to the wall. You would see it as an act of violence, an offence. This is no different.

Living in a tip is not justification for violence against you. Daughters can be horribly annoying, as can anyone we live with. But we don't physically attack them.

This is your best opportunity to get help in finding alternative accommodation. Use it.

Aspiringmatriarch · 29/12/2020 16:18

I don't think OP was using ADHD to justify being messy anyway. She's only recently been diagnosed and is obviously struggling. She's not saying it's acceptable to live in a tip and hopefully some of the suggestions on here will help in the long term, but in the meantime she absolutely did not deserve to be terrified and assaulted by her mother.

AIBU124 · 24/05/2021 01:13

Hello to everyone who took the time to comment on this thread - whether it was to offer advice, alternative perspectives, or tough love.

First, I want to apologise for taking so long to reply. I'll be honest; everything was kind of crazy after what happened, and my mother and I both had a lot to process. I'm an anxious person at the best of times, so after posting this thread and reading the first few replies I had a massive "What Have I Done???" moment and avoided mumsnet for as long as possible afterwards Blush

So, an update: After a few days of tension, my DM and I had a sit down to talk. I won't share the details as they're quite personal, but we both acknowledged toxic behaviours and decided we would try to communicate more honestly. I was finally able to access ADHD medication a few weeks later, and they've been useful in keeping me on task and giving me the focus I need to be more productive.

With that said, I still knew that creating some distance and being responsible solely for my own space would probably be best for both of us, so I'm now living in my own flat. I'm back at work after a few months of absence and am coping pretty okay in general.

We seem to be on better terms now that there's some healthy space between us, so hopefully it continues to go well and we can put the worst parts behind us.

TLDR; DM and I talked things out, and now I'm medicated and living in my own space. Hoping it all continues to go okay.

OP posts:
AIBU124 · 24/05/2021 01:15

Oh, I thought I'd added a thank you to everyone in there Grin Thank you all so much for offering advice and resources. I never responded at the time, but please know I very much appreciate it now

OP posts:
ExhaustedFlamingo · 24/05/2021 04:22

That's an amazing update OP, I'm really pleased for you. I'm neurodiverse and can understand the difficulties with seemingly simple tasks.

I'm sorry you had such a rough time but it seems as if it's all worked out well for you now. Onwards and upwards - and thank you for coming back to update us [flowers

AIBU124 · 27/05/2021 13:19

@ExhaustedFlamingo Thank you ! I'm still trying to find the balance between understanding my limitations and holding myself accountable for the things I can change, but the community of fellow ND people I've found has been invaluable.

I know now that I've hurt my mum in a lot of ways, and that neither of us can fix the past, but I hope with a little distance and some healthy communication that we can both build a happier relationship, moving forward.

Onwards and upwards!

OP posts:
Therebythedoor · 30/05/2021 10:13

OP I came across your post just today and was delighted to see your update.

(Speaking as a person with diagnosed ADHD, anxiety, and currently unable to deal with a sh*t-pit of a home!)

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