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It's all gone to s**t

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summer25 · 05/12/2020 13:54

Another day ruined. So, we came back from a lovely morning having picked up the tree and had breakfast together and next door neighbour handed us a package addressed to my DS with puppies on it. My OH had, for Christmas, sponsored guide dogs for the hard of hearing for both kids. My OH handed the package to my son because it had his name on it. Then all hell breaks loose, my DS shouldn't have had this till Christmas day, apparently it's all my fault because I didn't say anything. Queue my OU storming upstairs and crying, my DS is in tears, my DD is screaming at me calling me all the names under the sun and I just want to get out but can't because my DD is blocking the door. It ends up with her shoving me around and my husband shoving me onto the sofa. The day has been absolutely ruined, it was meant to be so lovely. Every year, the day we get the tree is ruined by arguments and I'd promised my DS this morning that it would be different this year. I can't believe this has happened again. The whole family is just so upset.

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Tomorrowistomorrow · 05/12/2020 16:54

@Spied

Your OH sponsored guide dogs? Very charitable. How about you suggest he starts thinking about supporting victims of domestic abuse? What a loser.
Exactly.

I would not stand for it. Personally, no one shoves me around not my OH and not my DC.
And yes a shove is assault and criminal and a deal breaker for me.

ohwhatamiserableyear · 05/12/2020 16:55

Wow.

So you're with a manipulative, physically abusive man, and you've raised your DD to be just as manipulative and physically abusive. Your son is on the same path, cue tears over a silly mistake OF YOUR PARTNER'S.

because this was HIS mistake. Not yours.

But they've all made out like it's yours, and you've accepted the blame and are beating yourself up over it and letting them physically abuse you over it.

What the almighty fuck are you doing in that house?

Call Women's Aid and find a way out and help for your DCs to try to reverse their own paths down the abusive road.

bigdecisionstomake · 05/12/2020 16:57

OP if your daughter is shoving you then she has learned that that is acceptable behaviour from her father. This is really not healthy for her and she will struggle to make long term relationships of her own if she believes this is an appropriate way to behave in a relationship.

However you do it, I think today needs to be the day you draw a line and tell them all this is not happening again. If that needs to be through counselling or laying down family ground rules or whatever other action you feel is necessary, things do need to change for everyone's sake, not least yours.

It's really upsetting to read your post and I hope you can manage to turn things around Flowers

diddl · 05/12/2020 16:58

@sunshinesheila

Your kids show you such disrespect because they have watched your th and learnt that's how you treat mum.

Monkey see, monkey do

I wonder what other relationships they see?

Or why they would want to bully mum just because dad does?

Dragongirl10 · 05/12/2020 16:58

Op please stop minimising this,

Gift irrelevant.

DPs behavior abusive, this is domestic violence, this is not acceptable..ever.

DD is copying, still not acceptable......

You need to do better by your teenagers by leaving and teaching then this is wrong.

RedRec · 05/12/2020 17:00

OP, I can't add anything to the brilliant and wise words of advice you have had already, but just wanted to send you these Flowers wherever you are, from West Yorkshire.

GilbertMarkham · 05/12/2020 17:02

You're being abused by both your partner and child.

Your partner sounds like a toddler - in fact toddlers would look mature & rational in comparison.
How often does he use minor disappointments/irritation (and he should have twigged from the puppies that it was the sponsorship stuff just as much as you, if not more because he set it up) to blow up into thus sort of self indulgent, over the top drama fest tantrum? I don't think even real housewives or drag queen shows have such inadequate, shaky pretexts for years and tantrums.

And then apparently him throwing his latest am dram routine and irrationally blaming you (have a feeling you are the scapegoat for everything) is the signal that your daughter should get involved too. Bet he's trained her since a kid to do this, or she's grown up copying him.

And they're both violent towards you .. well aren't you just the perfect little scapegoat and punch bag for both of them. This is disgusting, you shouldn't be subjected to this. Please seek help, alone, from women's aid. They have an online chat service.

GilbertMarkham · 05/12/2020 17:03

*tears and tantrums

Italiangreyhound · 05/12/2020 17:08

Not sure I can add much but I will say your other half is an utter cock. In your shoes I would be approaching Women's Aid. He is abusing you and the kids are seeing this. Most likely your dd has picked up this is how you treat mum! If your dd is over 18 I would make it clear if this behaviour continues, she will need to leave home.

Please ask your other half to leave. I completely agree with StillAHarpie "There isn’t a single person here who doesn’t think you are being abused.

Please make plans to leave. Your children will get over a shit Christmas this year for a better future."

Also, just to say, my dd was a little bit rough towards me when she was 8. She was already very strong. I got help. The school had an intervention programme for behavior and I accessed some help. You need to access help to get your daughter to behave normally, shoving your mum is not normal.

It does sound like a pattern of behaviour where things get ruined, and not by you. You just are left to pick up the pieces. Please start to think of yourself in all this. It is abuse. Sad Thanks

Hopeisnotastrategy · 05/12/2020 17:09

My dear this has to stop, because if it doesn't things are only going to get even worse. Please make this the day you decide to start changing your life. 💐

I am an older person who is shocked by very little in life, but I am sitting here having read the thread and am still feeling shocked by your account of what went on, and in particular your daughter's behaviour. Your partner is a horrible abusive man, but your daughter has already learned from him how to be abusive all by herself. Not only did she join in with the verbal abuse, she assaulted you in her own right and prevented you from leaving the situation. It's appalling that she's so messed up that she thinks she can behave like this to you.

Now you can have my sympathy, you can have it by the bucketload - but sadly that's not going to help you. Please use the contacts others have provided to reach out for help, urgently. And if the abuse starts again, call the police.

Please get help and get this sorted out. I hope that next Christmas you can enjoy buying and decorating your very own tree in a safe home. xx

dsaflausdhfiushdfakdsf · 05/12/2020 17:09

It's abuse OP, sorry. No-one should be shoving anyone. No-one should be blaming anyone (not for something as innocuous as this - it should have been an 'Oops, haha, give me that back and pretend you didn't see it' moment). No-one should be crying or shouting. The fact all of this is happening and you're getting the blame for it is heartbreaking. As is the thought that this happens often in your home. I'm sorry Flowers

GilbertMarkham · 05/12/2020 17:13

Incidentally you sound like you've really been ground down by this; which is understandable. Every time he's done something like this, you've been subjected to stress. You've no doubt changed his you've behaved and pandered and tried harder and harder to avoid the next blow up. Every time you've accepted it, the bars been lower fir the next time, and what you've accepted.

It's abuse.

He can help this, he chooses not to; he enjoys it, he gets something out of it.

And your children have been conditioned by it too.

Maybe they do adore him but he's a destabilising, negative, unhealthy influence in them. Abd let's face it, almost everyone loves their parents - until they get old enough to recognise the dysfunction (if they ever do). There are kids who've been abused in any number of ways by their parents and they still live them, they're wired to. They don't have the judgement or perspective not to (yet). Their feelings are not a good representation of whether he is a decent partner or parent.

Anytime who creates and reinforces the dynamic that's been established in your household is not a good partner or parent.

GilbertMarkham · 05/12/2020 17:18

*Anyone

Didthatreallyhappen · 05/12/2020 17:33

He is an abusive control freak sorry. I left one of those who would have acted the same. Do you have to tread on eggshells often op?

Topseyt · 05/12/2020 17:40

Bloody hell, this is shocking. You are being horribly abused by your husband and your teenage daughter. You really do need to plan a way out of this situation urgently.

Your daughter is obviously following in the footsteps of her obnoxious git of a father.

You don’t say anything much about your DS’s regular behaviour so it is harder to judge that. However, the fact that you felt the need to promise him that it would be different this year makes me wonder if he had asked you or expressed worries about it. Did he?

If he did express worry or doubts to you and look for reassurance then does that not suggest that he fears the reactions of his dreadful father and his increasingly obnoxious and bratty sister? He might be relieved to get an opportunity to get out if you can get things moving.

You really do need to realise that you deserve so much better than this.

Shoxfordian · 05/12/2020 17:40

Does he always ruin days out? He's abusive and you need to leave him if you ever want to be happy

Feedingthebirds1 · 05/12/2020 17:49

I just wish we could start from the beginning again

You can't start from the beginning - but you can make a new, fresh start. Without him.

They haven't invented the time machine yet that will allow you to rewind your life, but there's no guarantee he'd be any different if there was.

BlueCheckedTeatowel · 05/12/2020 17:53

@summer25, im so confused by this. ok so your DH is (unreasonably) annoyed with you and storms off. why did your DD kick off? what was her problem with the whole thing? also what has happened since regarding her physically assaulting you?

Marmozet · 05/12/2020 18:02

Dear god, what have I just read!?

Your OH is in tears and blaming you for himself accidentally gifting your son a Christmas present early?

Teenagers in tears about this?

Getting in personal space and being shoved around?

Please please just look at this from an outsiders perspective and see it for what it is, abuse!

CatNoBag · 05/12/2020 18:20

I've read this more than once, and still can't quite understand how:

OH buying DS a Christmas present
OH accidentally giving it to DS early
Turned into DH having a teenage strop type meltdown and blaming you for it, you being shoved by both your DH and OH.

How on earth is any of that your fault and why are they blaming you? And more to the point, why do you seem to be blaming yourself?!

rachelbloomfan · 05/12/2020 18:26

OP, I usually just lurk and read on mumsnet and don’t bother to post, but have just gone and got my password reset to log in specifically to post this!

I’m not saying anything hugely different to others here and you should absolutely listen to what they are saying, but I was in an abusive marriage myself and I also understand where you are at with this and that it will likely be difficult for you to see as clearly as outsiders can what is really going on. It is actually sometimes very hard to see the real truth of a situation when you are in the middle of it and have already endured years of abuse, with all the gaslighting, self doubt and low self esteem that comes along with it, plus there is a sense in which you do get used to such extreme and upsetting abusive situations and accept them as part of “normal” family life, because that is your normal.

Nobody thinks they would ever be prone to accepting this as normal and so it’s shocking to people not in abusive relationships, but there is a gradual “boiling of a frog” that goes on over the years where things slowly build up and up to the point where what you described is just another shit day to you instead of a huge alarm bell as it would be to others and a reason to leave the relationship. Human beings are very adaptable and unfortunately I think you do “adapt to” an abusive situation if you can’t or won’t get out of it. I didn’t really fully recognise that what had gone wrong in my marriage could be simply boiled down to domestic abuse until I had got out of the marriage and was able to think more clearly about it without the constant crazymaking confusion and foggy thinking that psychological and emotional abuse causes. You don’t always end up in an abusive relationship because of having grown up in an abusive household etc either. I had a perfectly lovely childhood. I was brought up to be kind and caring, to think of others before myself and strive to see others points of view in the event of a disagreement. I also tend to suffer from depression (in fact I have been diagnosed with bipolar 1 since becoming very unwell after having my child), and can have low self worth and poor boundaries and low assertiveness at times as part of that. Unfortunately this background made me a perfect victim for an abuser. I am intelligent and educated (I’m a doctor) and I think there is also generally still a pervasive myth in society that domestic abuse only happens to stupid people or those in lower social classes and it’s not true actually.

I think it’s particularly difficult when the abuse is rarely physical in nature and more emotional/psychological in nature. My ex was an expert in gaslighting and I do feel this sort of thing is a form of gaslighting. Of course it’s not your fault that he handed over a parcel by accident (or by “accident” as I suspect), and it’s also not your fault that this happening has led to this sort of extreme situation. You know this too, deep down in the part of you that is still able to think rationally and clearly away from the effects of abuse. And that’s why you posted about it.

It took me a long time to cotton on that my ex would often manufacture an argument as part of coercive control. This would particularly happen on days where I was supposed to go out and meet friends (to keep me isolated, one of the tools in the abuse toolbox), or on a day that was important and special to me (still haven’t decided if this was as someone else suggested just simply because no day is ever perfect and abusers do not make any allowances for imperfection, or if it was a deliberate attempt to sabotage any attempt to enjoy myself or live a “normal” family life). I love Christmas especially the run up to it and I remember that my ex ruined a lovely pre Christmas day out ice skating and putting up the tree one year. Honestly I can’t even remember exactly how now (we have been separated for 8 years now). But I remember being so confused over how things got so messed up all of a sudden from being fine in the morning, and was completely devastated that this nice family day out that I’d planned and looked forward to for so long had been seemingly derailed to devastation over what ought to be very minor issues. It’s ok to want a nice family Christmas day out OP, that is normal. But you need to recognise you are not going to get it with him. He won’t let you have it. As then you would “win” and he’d feel he had lost some power over you. It is part of the cycle of abuse as someone else said, for things to go from being good for a change to absolutely terrible in the blink of an eye.

I do think you should leave. Like someone else said it’s a shame abusers can’t be made to leave, which would be morally correct, and of course the truth is that they can actually, but the risk is that you put yourself and any children in harms way by trying to do things that way.

This relationship has no future and you know this deep down too. And you are at risk of further harm. However I do understand you may not be ready to leave now. And nobody can tell you how to live your life, only you can make those decisions. But that would be a good one. Just think, next year you could have a lovely day out without the trauma and I want you to know that it is abnormal to have to cope with what you are coping with. This is not what happens in most households when something doesn’t go perfectly as others have said. There is for most domestic abuse victims more of a gradual dawning that’s things aren’t right than any one dramatic incident in itself which makes them realise and leave. It’s very hard as domestic abuse creates traumatic bonding, and if you are married and have children together and are the sort of person who thinks marriage isn’t supposed to be a rose garden but you stick at it, this can be a hard place to get yourself out of. For me I clearly remember just waking up one day about 5am after yet another evening which ended in horrible rows and thinking with complete clarity that I have to get out of this marriage as I will wind up dead otherwise. Either he will murder me or I will kill myself as he isn’t making me so miserable. And none of that is fair on our child.

Please be aware that the most dangerous period in an abusive relationship is when you are waking up to the abuse and thinking of or planning to leave. Don’t breathe a word to him and make your plans carefully. And if you need more persuasion please speak to the national domestic abuse helpline it is 24/7 on 08082000247. The Freedom Programme really opened my eyes in retrospect as to what had been going on and revealed what is essentially the domestic abuse playbook which is laughably similar for every abuser somehow. But also infuriating that I didn’t recognise some red flags for what they were, never having been taught to be on my guard for them. I wish we had been taught it at school about 15 years old!

I am slightly disturbed by so many people on here saying to walk out, possibly with your son, and leave your teenage daughter alone with this abusive man just when he will likely have flown into an absolute fury by you leaving... I really don’t recommend this. Yes your daughter should not have been physical with you and definitely needs to know this is unacceptable but I think she should be cut some slack for having been brought up in a household where dad is abusive to mum, and also just general teenage hormones etc. Don’t think I ever got physical with my mum as a teen but I shouted and screamed and sulked and slammed doors for a few years around menarche - I was super hormonally moody and honestly struggled to contain it. To this day I remember screaming at my mum that I hated her while internally thinking “Why am I even saying this? My mum is so lovely, she doesn’t deserve this and I know I’m in the wrong but I can’t back down now”. I blame the bipolar disorder 😂 but also being a teenage girl was tough even with a really settled stable lovely family background. I’m not saying you ignore the behaviour, and if you feel at real risk of harm from her then maybe it’s appropriate if you are leaving that she goes to stay elsewhere with family or friends, but I’m just saying I don’t think it’s fair to tar your OH and your daughter with the same brush here even though their behaviour might look similar on the surface. This is the same girl who was happy to have a donation to charity as a Christmas present from her dad and I suspect the household was under huge psychological pressure from your OH at the time. It’s not ok and it needs to stop but I personally think it’s unfair to walk out and leave her to deal with the immediate aftermath of a domestic abuse split alone (I’m aware you haven’t suggested anything of the kind OP, just saying). She could be very vulnerable in this situation actually and she is still a child even if she’s is over 16.

One last thing, so many people have said the gift isn’t the issue. I agree in one sense - as a child I remember my parents talked to me and my siblings one year about feeling bad that they always spent so much on the trappings of Christmas and asked if we would consider giving up our presents so we could help those more in need instead at Christmas. As good Christian children we felt this was reasonable and volunteered to give up presents for donations to charity instead (I think we rebelled the following year and said we wanted at least some presents though 😂) However it is unusual and it would be unusually self sacrificial of teens to suggest this as a gift! I could see my ex imposing this sort of thing unilaterally on children, saying our child is spoiled and doesn’t value things etc. And of course it’s hard for anyone to criticise a gift to charity and the abuser ends up looking saintly even if their family is actually unhappy with the situation, which the abuser enjoys. It is good camouflage for an abuser to play “pillar of the community” and they lap up the attention they get from it; mine certainly did. So I’m just saying I think it’s no accident this is his gift to the children. Which isn’t to say that everyone who gives to charity instead of buying stuff for their kids is an abuser if you see what I mean.

Please. Learn from my experience. It isn’t too late, not till you’re dead as someone said. You can start over without him and it will be a much more peaceful life that allows for some joy. My heart goes out to you.

jrb123 · 05/12/2020 21:45

@rachelbloomfan well said. And OP: Flowers

Unsure33 · 05/12/2020 22:12

I don’t think it’s fixating on the gift , it just seems he is trying to make himself to be some kind of martyr. It does not add up with his behaviour.

Crissy83 · 05/12/2020 22:18

Agree this was a total over reaction, sometime people just need to be told that certain behaviour isn't okay

MoreLikeThis · 05/12/2020 22:38

What are your kids ages?

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