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Stood up and humiliated by three year long male friend

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Bitboredactually · 21/11/2020 22:28

I’ve wanted a space to post about this for a while. I am not sure what to think about it or how I should react.

I am 40, divorced and a single mother. Through work I met a man (53) (will call him Y) while I was travelling 3 years ago who was also divorced. Nothing happened or even hinted at happening, but we got on very well, had a lot of things in common re: our line of business and kept in touch. He is based in The Hague.

Over the last three years we were talking most days. It was all “how’s your day been” type of chat. Never sexting or talking about anything sexual. But sharing experiences going on dates post divorce and laughing about it. I told him all about my abusive ex and complex childcare arrangements which he empathised with. Lots of work related stuff, what we’d heard on the grapevine. Over this time his father killed himself (I know this to be true as he is quite well known in our area of work and through the network I heard about it from others.) he relied on me a lot during this time over phone calls and whatsapp, almost every day.

After three years of talking and sharing the big stuff and the small stuff he asked me to run some errands for him in London as he had decided to move here. That included helping him find a flat, booking him a hotel, introducing him to people who might be helpful for work in our industry and generally preparing things for him as he got ready to come over.

I did everything he needed, including setting up intros, booking his hotel and two days of flat viewings with me pulling in favours from people I knew. He was in touch almost constantly for the month before he arrived, asking me to give him an itinerary of his stay, where will we go, what will we do? He said he wanted to know what my life was like in London, to go to all the places I go to.

In the last week before he arrived he said he would be also meeting someone else but that “she shouldn’t affect plans, just someone I am dating casually” I said okay - I had prepared myself that he would possibly disappoint me romantically and so was just looking forward to seeing someone I had felt so close to for three years and was happy for his girlfriend to tag along.

He arrived and texted me from the airport. Where are you? I was at work (like he knew I was as I had made clear when I was free and also arranged his itinerary. At the time, my ex was at my house having brought back DC4 from school. Unbeknownst to me, Y arrived at my house with his girlfriend (who it turned out was 23.) My ex was there and, before I knew it (I was at work remember) the three of them went out to lunch together. So my ex, Y and his 23 year old girlfriend, all out at lunch. I was still at work.

When I got back from work, I came in to find them all drunk at my house with my kids and nanny. It was a big deal for me as it was the first time I had seen Y for three years and also the second time I had met him in my life. It was very bizarre. Once I returned, they stayed for five mins and left.

About 2 mins after they left I got a text from Y saying “your ex isn’t THAT bad you know.” It felt awful as I had told Y so much about all the domestic violence and abuse and for him to say that really hit me hard.

The next evening, Y had asked me to organise a dinner out which included people he would like to be introduced to from our industry. I invited people I knew and who were important to me for work. I double and triple checked with Y that he would be there at 8pm. He confirmed several times, insisted he would be there on the dot, was going to bring his girlfriend but no problem. And guess what? He didn’t show. I felt humiliated and embarrassed.

Y sent a text the next morning saying he had seen everything he wanted to se and decided to go back to The Hague. I was gobsmacked and didn’t reply. We had a whole week planned and I had set things up.

He has now rented one of the flats I set up for him to see. He is still trying to be in frequent, daily contact with me. I am ignoring him.

I don’t know how to feel or what to say to him?

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 22/11/2020 11:56

@Bitboredactually

Sorry on the money point, those who are asking, I didn’t pay for anything. I just booked stuff for him to pay for when he arrived. The dinner booking was a different matter of course and we all had to eat and drink and I felt so embarrassed I paid for that.

He knew when I was working so it was very unusual that he would announce “where are you” when he arrived. 24 hours before, I had started to get a funny feeling that things would not go as I thought. He did not seem to understand the fact I had a full time job and the extent of my work, or he seemed to assume it could all be cancelled for him, or that I should be cancelling for him. The connecting with my ex who was dropping my DC back felt like a revenge for that. I don’t know if I am being paranoid.

Yes I think you are, I think you’re still giving yourself a starring role. When in reality he just didn’t care enough.

You also said he was “meeting someone” not bringing someone over with him. He said he was dating her causally, so begs the question if she was British how come you’d never met in the three years? Was he here and didn’t tell you? How come you didn’t know about her if you were so close?

I think this relationship was very important to you, but it was not to him. I’m sorry,

thenightsky · 22/11/2020 12:38

What was his excuse for failing to attend the dinner? Did he say sorry, but such and such happened?

BloggersBlog · 22/11/2020 13:02

Why are you allowing your abusive ex free rein in your house? OK he brought dc4 home (why didnt the nanny get the DC?) but for him to feel he can then go out with new friend and lounge about being drunk in your home??

More weirdness there than with this guy. And you didnt answer why you organised a dinner in lockdown? And if it was when the rule of 6 was in, then this was weeks ago. Why bring it up now?

Isthisnothing · 22/11/2020 13:07

He sounds absolutely terrible OP.

I once had an awful in-person experience with someone I thought I had gotten to know well, had a special bond with (we had a very short intense relationship years previously and it had ended abruptly when I left the country) from speaking to online. We found ourselves in the same part of the world again (a new continent for both of us) and agreed to meet for the weekend.

He stayed for two nights and behaved appallingly. Usually I would need to have my say and then forget about it. This time, i settled up the money he owed me from the night before, said goodbye, closed the door and before he would have reached the hotel lobby I had blocked him absolutely everywhere. It was the first time I'd ever done that secure in the knowledge it would be permanent. There was another horrible guy involved in my situation too and the pair of them united against me.

Such a liberating feeling. Do it. Leave him and your ex to it. They deserve each other.

FinallyHere · 22/11/2020 13:30

I just booked stuff for him to pay for when he arrived

I honestly don't know any hotels which do not require a credit card to hold the booking. Even Air BnB take payment in advance. Without it, what comeback would they have for no shows?

FinallyHere · 22/11/2020 13:41

And whose card was held for the dinner, was that yours OP? Did you have s as my choice about paying? Had he been clear that he would cover the cost, I wonder?

It's about boundaries, though isn't it? I'm wondering whether his article was the first time you had said no to him ?

He knew when I was working so it was very unusual that he would announce “where are you” when he arrived.

It's easy to be wise after the event, but in any situation especially where there is 'lots to do' it's always a good idea to put a boundary in place and see how a new client deals with it.

Not just a straight no, but something that needs a bit of negotiation. Raising it in plenty of time, being flexible a d finding a win/win solution is absolutely a useful test of relations.

MaelyssQ · 22/11/2020 13:51

I agree with PP, ignore this man from here on in, he's bad news.

kitschplease · 22/11/2020 13:58

Did you post about this tosser before OP? I remember a similar thread from a couple of years ago about access to work calendars similar piss taking.
Regardless, he's shown his true colours and I hope you can move on easily.

CodenameVillanelle · 22/11/2020 14:01

@FinallyHere

I just booked stuff for him to pay for when he arrived

I honestly don't know any hotels which do not require a credit card to hold the booking. Even Air BnB take payment in advance. Without it, what comeback would they have for no shows?

Lots of hotels do this. You can filter your search results by 'free cancellation' and you don't need to give details to book.
Blahblahblahzz · 22/11/2020 14:03

I really felt for you reading this. Please look at how you get into relationships with abusive men. This guy is an abuser through and through - the level of stuff he was asking you to do I wouldn’t even do for a partner. Why were you expected or even asked to sort out his entire life for him? Cut him out of your life and focus on getting your head and heart into a place where you are 100% number one priority.

Blahblahblahzz · 22/11/2020 14:04

His comment about your ex not being that bad made me furious too. Find your fury!

LittlefairyMum · 22/11/2020 14:20

He sounds Narcissistic. Block and move on Daffodil

SandyY2K · 22/11/2020 14:30

He sounds awful. Turning up at your house when he knew you wouldn't be there. If he was coming from a totally different time zone, I'd say perhaps there was some confusion with the time.

Him going in and drinking to the point of getting drunk with your Ex is such weird behavior.... for all 3 of them tbh.

Block and don't engage with him again.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/11/2020 14:31

He sounds like an absolute prick!

The only sensible course of action is to block and cut contact.

JillofTrades · 22/11/2020 14:37

I can't understand why you would continue running around after him , after the incident in your home. Your entire willingness to do anything he asked after just meeting him once is mind boggling. He basically saw you coming.

GreenlandTheMovie · 22/11/2020 15:01

This is all quite mysterious. The OP has provided such limited information, probably not to be identifying, but if she would at least confirm if he was British living abroad or not, it would make more sense.

Otherwise, you're left wondering whether he was in the UK all the time.

Bitboredactually · 22/11/2020 15:48

Thank you to all those helping me feel validated with this.

There's no mystery or deliberate leaving out of details.

Yes he was British but living abroad. This incident happened in the block between the two lockdowns and I have written about it now because I was so shocked by it that I didn't know how to process it when it happened, AND because he has stepped up his contact again.

I have not written about this before.

@Bluntness100 I don't think I am trying to give myself a starring role. I fully accept that hie feelings were different to mine. I was also actually seeing someone casually when Y came to the UK and on the second night (the night he was a no-show)I invited my date along to that, as I figured Y would be bringing his girlfriend. Also there had been signs over the years that he was interested in younger women. What I wanted, though, was the emotional connection that I had felt with him as i was really strong. But I was obviously deluded about that and it was one sided.

The questions over the card bookings/prepayment: the hotels/dinners did not require pre-payment.

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GreenlandTheMovie · 22/11/2020 16:16

Well, in that case OP, I do think you've been the victim of a con artist. They're not all after money. Or they might be, but not straight away. His asking you personal details and information is a big red flag as it breaks down your barriers, makes you think he cares about you and provides him with information about your weaknesses.

The not turning up to the dinner is so very odd that it must indicate that he is avoiding people that will see through him.

Anyone can be a victim of a conman. Many of them are very good at what they do.

Have you tried googling his name? Or his telephone number? Do you know if it really is his real name? I have a hunch that if you start to do a little digging, you will be surprised about what you uncover.

DolphinsAndNemesis · 22/11/2020 16:23

You were very kind and helpful in arranging so much for him. I don't think I have ever done that much for anyone outside my immediate family (which may mean I'm not a very generous person!). I can understand why you feel hurt, but please don't feel humiliated. His behaviour simply reveals the sort of person he is. It is no reflection on you at all.

SentientAndCognisant · 22/11/2020 16:34

Well, it is a reflection that op wants to enable and save men she thinks need her. She’s essentially ran around making hotel bookings was constantly available, setting up professional meetings & introductions to progress his career,and generally flapping around to meet his needs
Shared her address and personal life inc emotional content

For a man she only “knew” online

He is a skilled manipulator and he clearly identified op as a target

Im simply saying op needs to reflect, she agrees now she overlooked some red flags and continued to emotionally invest in a man she didn’t know

msrobot · 22/11/2020 16:40

Gosh I’m so sorry this happened OP, what a terrible person.
I’m still very shocked you would do all of this for someone you met once though Shock hope that doesn’t come across as victim blaming because that being said I don’t think you could anticipate someone to be so cruel/ selfish

I don’t think I could fully trust someone I’d mainly spoken to online. Also, kind of bizarre how your ex would get drunk with a stranger (on a weekday?)

msrobot · 22/11/2020 16:45

I may sound stupid but I can’t imagine going for lunch with a stranger who happened to be an acquaintance of my ex. Especially as they went straight after meeting, like fair enough you sometimes start a conversation with a stranger and ‘click’ but even so I can’t imagine going straight away for lunch with them
Maybe I’m too introverted Grin

MarthasGinYard · 22/11/2020 16:50

'I may sound stupid but I can’t imagine going for lunch with a stranger who happened to be an acquaintance of my ex. Especially as they went straight after meeting, like fair enough you sometimes start a conversation with a stranger and ‘click’ but even so I can’t imagine going straight away for lunch with them'

Very odd

Ex drops off his dc at Op's house. Two complete strangers rock by and they all go out for lunch and then back to get drunk.

Beyond Bizarre

pressedclay · 22/11/2020 16:55

I think anyone can be like this but sometimes male friends especially. They are conditioned that women are there for their comfort and benefit. I was close friends with a guy for years and it took me ages to work out that I was just supposed to laugh at his jokes and listen to his gripes and he never returned the favour and was in fact put out if I tried to say anything much about myself, he even turned to me once and said "we're talking about me". In short men don't always make the best confidants.

BloggersBlog · 22/11/2020 17:06

@MarthasGinYard

'I may sound stupid but I can’t imagine going for lunch with a stranger who happened to be an acquaintance of my ex. Especially as they went straight after meeting, like fair enough you sometimes start a conversation with a stranger and ‘click’ but even so I can’t imagine going straight away for lunch with them'

Very odd

Ex drops off his dc at Op's house. Two complete strangers rock by and they all go out for lunch and then back to get drunk.

Beyond Bizarre

Yes, all at home getting drunk with 4 dcs there and the nanny - very odd
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