Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Stood up and humiliated by three year long male friend

256 replies

Bitboredactually · 21/11/2020 22:28

I’ve wanted a space to post about this for a while. I am not sure what to think about it or how I should react.

I am 40, divorced and a single mother. Through work I met a man (53) (will call him Y) while I was travelling 3 years ago who was also divorced. Nothing happened or even hinted at happening, but we got on very well, had a lot of things in common re: our line of business and kept in touch. He is based in The Hague.

Over the last three years we were talking most days. It was all “how’s your day been” type of chat. Never sexting or talking about anything sexual. But sharing experiences going on dates post divorce and laughing about it. I told him all about my abusive ex and complex childcare arrangements which he empathised with. Lots of work related stuff, what we’d heard on the grapevine. Over this time his father killed himself (I know this to be true as he is quite well known in our area of work and through the network I heard about it from others.) he relied on me a lot during this time over phone calls and whatsapp, almost every day.

After three years of talking and sharing the big stuff and the small stuff he asked me to run some errands for him in London as he had decided to move here. That included helping him find a flat, booking him a hotel, introducing him to people who might be helpful for work in our industry and generally preparing things for him as he got ready to come over.

I did everything he needed, including setting up intros, booking his hotel and two days of flat viewings with me pulling in favours from people I knew. He was in touch almost constantly for the month before he arrived, asking me to give him an itinerary of his stay, where will we go, what will we do? He said he wanted to know what my life was like in London, to go to all the places I go to.

In the last week before he arrived he said he would be also meeting someone else but that “she shouldn’t affect plans, just someone I am dating casually” I said okay - I had prepared myself that he would possibly disappoint me romantically and so was just looking forward to seeing someone I had felt so close to for three years and was happy for his girlfriend to tag along.

He arrived and texted me from the airport. Where are you? I was at work (like he knew I was as I had made clear when I was free and also arranged his itinerary. At the time, my ex was at my house having brought back DC4 from school. Unbeknownst to me, Y arrived at my house with his girlfriend (who it turned out was 23.) My ex was there and, before I knew it (I was at work remember) the three of them went out to lunch together. So my ex, Y and his 23 year old girlfriend, all out at lunch. I was still at work.

When I got back from work, I came in to find them all drunk at my house with my kids and nanny. It was a big deal for me as it was the first time I had seen Y for three years and also the second time I had met him in my life. It was very bizarre. Once I returned, they stayed for five mins and left.

About 2 mins after they left I got a text from Y saying “your ex isn’t THAT bad you know.” It felt awful as I had told Y so much about all the domestic violence and abuse and for him to say that really hit me hard.

The next evening, Y had asked me to organise a dinner out which included people he would like to be introduced to from our industry. I invited people I knew and who were important to me for work. I double and triple checked with Y that he would be there at 8pm. He confirmed several times, insisted he would be there on the dot, was going to bring his girlfriend but no problem. And guess what? He didn’t show. I felt humiliated and embarrassed.

Y sent a text the next morning saying he had seen everything he wanted to se and decided to go back to The Hague. I was gobsmacked and didn’t reply. We had a whole week planned and I had set things up.

He has now rented one of the flats I set up for him to see. He is still trying to be in frequent, daily contact with me. I am ignoring him.

I don’t know how to feel or what to say to him?

OP posts:
nimbuscloud · 22/11/2020 09:28

He’s a conman.

TatianaBis · 22/11/2020 09:30

I think this is partly a salutary lesson in the dangers of online “friendships”. Three years of texting, but only one meet up in person, means you don’t know that person at all.

If I had only met someone once in person, however much I’d chatted to them in the ether, there’s no way on this earth I would be finding flats for them or organise professional dinners for them. The red flags should have been waving at that point.

After one abusive relationship you’ve basically walked straight into another one of a different type.

I’d do the Freedom Programme and read “Women Who Love Too Much”.

rattlemehearties · 22/11/2020 09:33

Great advice on how to move forward from @something2say - definitely move on with integrity

GreenlandTheMovie · 22/11/2020 09:33

Yes, he really does sound like a conman and if the OP has lost out financially, she should contact the police.

What nationality is he? He might not even have been in The Hague after all.

And the family death (for sympathy) is another typical conman story too.

He's an expert manipulator.

Bluntness100 · 22/11/2020 09:35

The thing is we can analyse all day long why he did what he did.

I give an example, I’d be wondering if he actually went back to The Hague and cut it short as he said, or if he made that excuse so he could bin you off and spend his week enjoying himself with his girlfriend.

I’d also wonder if she suspected you liked him Romantically so didn’t wish to spend the week with you, either for your sake as she knew he was not interested from what he had told her and felt it was all a bit shit, or because she was a bit jealous.

In addition the fact he’s now developing the same friendship with your ex, indicates maybe it never really meant much to him at all, he just talks to different peoole. And if that’s the case, maybe someone else was also coming up with plans for him.

Did you challenge him when he didn’t turn up? What was his excuse.?

Lucy830 · 22/11/2020 09:37

He is taking advantage of your good nature. He doesn’t deserve a friend like you. Distance yourself.

Sorry you had to go through that.

gamerchick · 22/11/2020 09:41

Tbh I'd just blank him from now on. You know your ex is saying all sorts and it sounds as if he's the type to believe it. He's used you, maybe not intentionally but he's certainly taken you for granted to the extreme that you'll take any old shit.

Cast him adrift and block.

DangerMouse17 · 22/11/2020 09:44

You should text and say "I've also seen all I need to" and block the arsehole.

HotSince63 · 22/11/2020 09:45

Am I the only one thinking this sounds like some kind of scam?

That this man has assumed someone else's identity and the reason he didn't turn up for the work meeting/meal is that it would have become clear, because the "people in my industry" will have either known on sight, or worked it out during the meal that he isn't who he claims to be?

I hope you haven't given him any money, any of your bank or credit card details, or paid for any part of this trip!

picklemewalnuts · 22/11/2020 09:45

Listen to @something2say .

Play along in a vague non committal way, mention to a few key contacts that he's a bit flaky. Start with the people who gathered to meet him when he didn't turn up.

Quietly quietly protect yourself.

HotSince63 · 22/11/2020 09:49

Just read the full thread, I see @GreenlandTheMovie is thinking along the same lines.

This is definitely some kind of scam.

StephenBelafonte · 22/11/2020 09:51

Cool story

mcmooberry · 22/11/2020 09:52

I would say the awesome power of the blank here in spite of the temptation to say something cutting about his rudeness in not turning up for the meal, which I would find unforgivable. He probably enjoyed your daily interactions but tough, he has blown it.

greyhills · 22/11/2020 09:55

@Bitboredactually

I’ve wanted a space to post about this for a while. I am not sure what to think about it or how I should react.

I am 40, divorced and a single mother. Through work I met a man (53) (will call him Y) while I was travelling 3 years ago who was also divorced. Nothing happened or even hinted at happening, but we got on very well, had a lot of things in common re: our line of business and kept in touch. He is based in The Hague.

Over the last three years we were talking most days. It was all “how’s your day been” type of chat. Never sexting or talking about anything sexual. But sharing experiences going on dates post divorce and laughing about it. I told him all about my abusive ex and complex childcare arrangements which he empathised with. Lots of work related stuff, what we’d heard on the grapevine. Over this time his father killed himself (I know this to be true as he is quite well known in our area of work and through the network I heard about it from others.) he relied on me a lot during this time over phone calls and whatsapp, almost every day.

After three years of talking and sharing the big stuff and the small stuff he asked me to run some errands for him in London as he had decided to move here. That included helping him find a flat, booking him a hotel, introducing him to people who might be helpful for work in our industry and generally preparing things for him as he got ready to come over.

I did everything he needed, including setting up intros, booking his hotel and two days of flat viewings with me pulling in favours from people I knew. He was in touch almost constantly for the month before he arrived, asking me to give him an itinerary of his stay, where will we go, what will we do? He said he wanted to know what my life was like in London, to go to all the places I go to.

In the last week before he arrived he said he would be also meeting someone else but that “she shouldn’t affect plans, just someone I am dating casually” I said okay - I had prepared myself that he would possibly disappoint me romantically and so was just looking forward to seeing someone I had felt so close to for three years and was happy for his girlfriend to tag along.

He arrived and texted me from the airport. Where are you? I was at work (like he knew I was as I had made clear when I was free and also arranged his itinerary. At the time, my ex was at my house having brought back DC4 from school. Unbeknownst to me, Y arrived at my house with his girlfriend (who it turned out was 23.) My ex was there and, before I knew it (I was at work remember) the three of them went out to lunch together. So my ex, Y and his 23 year old girlfriend, all out at lunch. I was still at work.

When I got back from work, I came in to find them all drunk at my house with my kids and nanny. It was a big deal for me as it was the first time I had seen Y for three years and also the second time I had met him in my life. It was very bizarre. Once I returned, they stayed for five mins and left.

About 2 mins after they left I got a text from Y saying “your ex isn’t THAT bad you know.” It felt awful as I had told Y so much about all the domestic violence and abuse and for him to say that really hit me hard.

The next evening, Y had asked me to organise a dinner out which included people he would like to be introduced to from our industry. I invited people I knew and who were important to me for work. I double and triple checked with Y that he would be there at 8pm. He confirmed several times, insisted he would be there on the dot, was going to bring his girlfriend but no problem. And guess what? He didn’t show. I felt humiliated and embarrassed.

Y sent a text the next morning saying he had seen everything he wanted to se and decided to go back to The Hague. I was gobsmacked and didn’t reply. We had a whole week planned and I had set things up.

He has now rented one of the flats I set up for him to see. He is still trying to be in frequent, daily contact with me. I am ignoring him.

I don’t know how to feel or what to say to him?

He arrived and texted me from the airport. Where are you? I was at work

I can't help wondering whether this has a bearing on things. He expected you to drop everything, leave work and meet him off the plane, didn't he? He wanted you to lay out the red carpet and dance attendance on him when he arrived.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 09:55

@HotSince63

Just read the full thread, I see *@GreenlandTheMovie* is thinking along the same lines.

This is definitely some kind of scam.

Only if OP has paid for things?

It hadn’t even entered my head someone might do that till it was mentioned on here.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 09:56

I also don’t know why someone you’ve never met has your address.

HotSince63 · 22/11/2020 09:58

@AcornAutumn I listen to enough conman podcasts to know that it's not even about money half the time.

I'm in the middle of one now about someone posing as a Hollywood movie producer and they didn't get a penny out of it - just loved the power of having people running around doing what they're asked no matter how ridiculous the request, they enjoyed humiliating people.

TheChristmasPrincess · 22/11/2020 10:00

Ignore and block him.

I suspect from his behaviour, he’s one of those people who will twist everything you say and start gaslighting you.

💐

Porridgeoat · 22/11/2020 10:01

He doesn’t behave like a good friend. He isn’t a good friend.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 10:03

[quote HotSince63]**@AcornAutumn I listen to enough conman podcasts to know that it's not even about money half the time.

I'm in the middle of one now about someone posing as a Hollywood movie producer and they didn't get a penny out of it - just loved the power of having people running around doing what they're asked no matter how ridiculous the request, they enjoyed humiliating people.[/quote]
Oh I see. That’s not a police matter though, I was more worried in case OP had paid for anything...and the address business.

I guard my address closely, I don’t even give proper answers if people I don’t know ask where I live.

spoons123 · 22/11/2020 10:03

I can't help wondering whether he set out to hurt you?

Not turning up to the dinner you organised, befriending your abusive ex and bringing a 23 year-old along with him seems calculated to destroy you professionally and emotionally. He went for all your vulnerabilities.

You might not have been interested in him romantically, but bringing a much-younger 'girlfriend' with him suggests he thought you were - and anticipated watching you squirm.

He sounds very, very nasty, spiteful and disturbed. Possibly a psychopath as others have said.

This doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with you, OP. Keep being kind but watch out for these people.

Leflic · 22/11/2020 10:03

Out if interest what was on his itinerary after the airport? Why was he knocking on your door when presumably he’s thinking you’re at work. Did he think you were WFH?

mummmy2017 · 22/11/2020 10:05

Just accept that everyone who went to the dinner will never employ him.
If he is in your industry gossip will spread about how he isn't quiet the thing.

Supereager · 22/11/2020 10:13

He’s a narcissist. That is blatantly obvious by his behaviour. He will destroy you. Cut all contact and protect yourself. Google narcissistic personality disorder and check off the points. You’re in trouble if you don’t exclude him from your private and professional life immediately

TheYearOfSmallThings · 22/11/2020 10:16

I actually doubt there's any sinister agenda here - he just sounds like a self-centered man who isn't afraid to ask people to do things for him. If they don't, fine. If they do, great. Sadly I expect his career won't be affected, because the OP probably made up some excuse to explain his absence at dinner. Assuming any of this actually happened, of course.

There is research suggesting that if you want people to like you more (or cement a friendship) asking a favour can achieve this. The person being asked calculates on some level that "if I am putting themselves out for this person, I must like them". Obviously you have to gauge the size of the favour correctly, but there are people who are very skilled at this.