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Stood up and humiliated by three year long male friend

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Bitboredactually · 21/11/2020 22:28

I’ve wanted a space to post about this for a while. I am not sure what to think about it or how I should react.

I am 40, divorced and a single mother. Through work I met a man (53) (will call him Y) while I was travelling 3 years ago who was also divorced. Nothing happened or even hinted at happening, but we got on very well, had a lot of things in common re: our line of business and kept in touch. He is based in The Hague.

Over the last three years we were talking most days. It was all “how’s your day been” type of chat. Never sexting or talking about anything sexual. But sharing experiences going on dates post divorce and laughing about it. I told him all about my abusive ex and complex childcare arrangements which he empathised with. Lots of work related stuff, what we’d heard on the grapevine. Over this time his father killed himself (I know this to be true as he is quite well known in our area of work and through the network I heard about it from others.) he relied on me a lot during this time over phone calls and whatsapp, almost every day.

After three years of talking and sharing the big stuff and the small stuff he asked me to run some errands for him in London as he had decided to move here. That included helping him find a flat, booking him a hotel, introducing him to people who might be helpful for work in our industry and generally preparing things for him as he got ready to come over.

I did everything he needed, including setting up intros, booking his hotel and two days of flat viewings with me pulling in favours from people I knew. He was in touch almost constantly for the month before he arrived, asking me to give him an itinerary of his stay, where will we go, what will we do? He said he wanted to know what my life was like in London, to go to all the places I go to.

In the last week before he arrived he said he would be also meeting someone else but that “she shouldn’t affect plans, just someone I am dating casually” I said okay - I had prepared myself that he would possibly disappoint me romantically and so was just looking forward to seeing someone I had felt so close to for three years and was happy for his girlfriend to tag along.

He arrived and texted me from the airport. Where are you? I was at work (like he knew I was as I had made clear when I was free and also arranged his itinerary. At the time, my ex was at my house having brought back DC4 from school. Unbeknownst to me, Y arrived at my house with his girlfriend (who it turned out was 23.) My ex was there and, before I knew it (I was at work remember) the three of them went out to lunch together. So my ex, Y and his 23 year old girlfriend, all out at lunch. I was still at work.

When I got back from work, I came in to find them all drunk at my house with my kids and nanny. It was a big deal for me as it was the first time I had seen Y for three years and also the second time I had met him in my life. It was very bizarre. Once I returned, they stayed for five mins and left.

About 2 mins after they left I got a text from Y saying “your ex isn’t THAT bad you know.” It felt awful as I had told Y so much about all the domestic violence and abuse and for him to say that really hit me hard.

The next evening, Y had asked me to organise a dinner out which included people he would like to be introduced to from our industry. I invited people I knew and who were important to me for work. I double and triple checked with Y that he would be there at 8pm. He confirmed several times, insisted he would be there on the dot, was going to bring his girlfriend but no problem. And guess what? He didn’t show. I felt humiliated and embarrassed.

Y sent a text the next morning saying he had seen everything he wanted to se and decided to go back to The Hague. I was gobsmacked and didn’t reply. We had a whole week planned and I had set things up.

He has now rented one of the flats I set up for him to see. He is still trying to be in frequent, daily contact with me. I am ignoring him.

I don’t know how to feel or what to say to him?

OP posts:
AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 10:18

I don’t think there’s a sinister agenda either

Just he saw someone who would do a load of chores for him and took advantage

EarthSight · 22/11/2020 10:18

What to say to him??

How about "Good fucking bye and don't talk to me again?"

Unless there's missing information here, I think you went from an abusive relationship to a shit 'friendship'. I'm not surprised that a man like that went for a 23 year old. I'm sure she will see more, and worse behaviour from him.......that's why he texted you that ypur ex wasn't 'that bad'. Tgat would have been enough for me to feel alarmed and for some reason his comment didn't affect you as much as it should have. May I suggest that your boundries have been eroded and you have become number than you should be?

He's either going to discard his poor girlfriend when she starts developing a few wrinkles and ceases to be a human equivalent if a flash car, or, he's in it for the long haul and hopes that a beautiful young woman will be his nurse in his retirement. Big age gaps do happen, but ones that big usually have something unpleasant behind them. Hopefully she'll leave him.

BSintolerant · 22/11/2020 10:22

@HotSince63 which Podcast is that? I’d love to listen to it. Some of the podcasts on They Walk Among us look at con artists: the episode on Mark Acklom was chilling.

This weirdo’s behaviour might not be motivated by money. People like him get their kicks from trying to destroy people psychologically - they feed off it. They’re also adept at spotting vulnerable people from a distance, even before they’ve spoken with them.

Has he been in touch with any of your colleagues OP?

HotSince63 · 22/11/2020 10:24

@BSintolerant it's called Chameleon - Hollywood Con Queen. Some other good ones are Smoke Screen Fake Priest, Who the Hell is Hamish, and The Fake Heiress.

BSintolerant · 22/11/2020 10:25

There is research suggesting that if you want people to like you more (or cement a friendship) asking a favour can achieve this. The person being asked calculates on some level that "if I am putting themselves out for this person, I must like them".

This is a well-known ploy used by con artists and psychopaths.

BSintolerant · 22/11/2020 10:26

Thank you @HotSince63 - I’ll have a listen. Smile

pessimistiquerealistique · 22/11/2020 10:28

He likes your ex because he is like him. I also believe he was tempted to meet him when hearing your stories. He isn't just an arshole but a c**t!

Lampzade · 22/11/2020 10:31

Ghost him and then seek therapy . You need to examine why you allowed this man to use you

TheYearOfSmallThings · 22/11/2020 10:31

This is a well-known ploy used by con artists and psychopaths

True, but also all the CFs referred to on Mumsnet. It is just how some people live.

Bitboredactually · 22/11/2020 10:35

Sorry on the money point, those who are asking, I didn’t pay for anything. I just booked stuff for him to pay for when he arrived. The dinner booking was a different matter of course and we all had to eat and drink and I felt so embarrassed I paid for that.

He knew when I was working so it was very unusual that he would announce “where are you” when he arrived. 24 hours before, I had started to get a funny feeling that things would not go as I thought. He did not seem to understand the fact I had a full time job and the extent of my work, or he seemed to assume it could all be cancelled for him, or that I should be cancelling for him. The connecting with my ex who was dropping my DC back felt like a revenge for that. I don’t know if I am being paranoid.

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MargeProopsSpecs · 22/11/2020 10:38

It's little wonder he got on with your ex so well - a pair of abusive bastards together.

Don't beat yourself up op, your kind nature was clearly taken advantage of but when you feel a bit stronger make an assessment to see if you
can learn to spot the signs of these types of people and work out a strategy to ditch them at the first hint of their bastarding behaviour.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 10:43

Thing is OP

You could analyse this forever.

But the point is, don’t give up time and energy to people you don’t know anything about.

And certainly don’t let them into your life, whether that’s work or having your home address.

I’m not feeling well today, just a bit. I know my neighbours. So the equivalent if is like if I said to them - can you do all the things I was going to do today - shopping, tidying, etc.

In fact, no, what he’s done is much worse.

Lordamighty · 22/11/2020 10:44

I don’t know if I am being paranoid

I don’t think you are being paranoid, I think you need to tread carefully with this character.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 10:45

@Lordamighty

I don’t know if I am being paranoid

I don’t think you are being paranoid, I think you need to tread carefully with this character.

No. Have no further contact at all.
MrsBobDylan · 22/11/2020 10:46

My Mum has some psychopathic behaviour op and she does the pretending not to 'understand' people have other commitments, even when it has been clearly explained to her.

Her whole life is spend getting people to do this for her, sometimes she doesn't even want the 'thing' at all - the pleasure is keeping people under her command and confusing them.

I would wouldn't have anything to do with this guy ever, and as possible suggested, get therapy so you can avoid being taken I. And used in this way ever again.

MrsBobDylan · 22/11/2020 10:50

She also lies by the bucket load - I would think this guy does too. Her lies are all small, sometimes about where she has been that day, pretending she hasn't seen someone when she has, being deliberately confusing about what she actually wants.

She is just a completely bad person without any real feelings at all. Even my kids know she's an abusive waste of space. This man sounds similar.

pessimistiquerealistique · 22/11/2020 10:50

One thing I have learnt is not to tell everything about yourself to your friends. Therapist would be more suitable for it.

PullTheBricksDown · 22/11/2020 10:54

@Bitboredactually

Sorry on the money point, those who are asking, I didn’t pay for anything. I just booked stuff for him to pay for when he arrived. The dinner booking was a different matter of course and we all had to eat and drink and I felt so embarrassed I paid for that.

He knew when I was working so it was very unusual that he would announce “where are you” when he arrived. 24 hours before, I had started to get a funny feeling that things would not go as I thought. He did not seem to understand the fact I had a full time job and the extent of my work, or he seemed to assume it could all be cancelled for him, or that I should be cancelling for him. The connecting with my ex who was dropping my DC back felt like a revenge for that. I don’t know if I am being paranoid.

Oh, he gets it about your job. He just thinks he's more important so you should have dropped everything for him.

Glad you didn't pay for loads of stuff for him.

With the dinner people, when you get chance say something like 'It was lovely to see you for dinner, just sorry it didn't go to plan. Not sure what's going on with X, he's started behaving really oddly and being very erratic! Oh well, how are you?' - then change subject. Put them in the picture but without getting drawn into the whole story.

If he texts, I would ignore almost all and every so often send a 'yeah, I'm really busy at the moment' text to protect yourself.

Distance yourself much more from your ex. Allowing him any access beyond the essentials for your daughter isn't helping. He shouldn't be coming into your house at all.

BertiesLanding · 22/11/2020 10:57

OP, I had a similar kind of experience about 18 years ago - when someone's behaviour was so shockingly rude and incomprehensible to me that it totally threw me.

Looking back, I now have some perspective.

I had been blinded to who the person really was. I was an actor in his play.

I disagree with the "victim blaming" commenters, because, as unfair as it may seem, this is also down to you and your boundaries.

Unless and until you're able to get to grips with the underlying dynamics that were present in your marriage - and now here - you will come across events like this that will feel like they are coming at you from out of the blue ... when in fact your ability to a) maintain autonomy and b) distinguish the arseholes from the "good 'uns" needs exploring at depth. So, as much as he's a complete tool, it's now down to you to make sure this doesn't happen again. And I promise that, if you do that, you'll be able to look back on this with a lot more clarity and understanding.

AcornAutumn · 22/11/2020 11:05

I just googled Mark Acklom

This won’t make me popular but I’m not sure what I think about this.

Ultimately, a grown adult gave him money to renovate his property?

If the marriage didn’t happen for any reason, she’d have lost money. No formal,loan agreement made - she just gave him money.

justilou1 · 22/11/2020 11:31

Is he Dutch or English? MOST (but not all) Dutch men I know are total man babies - and this bullshit absolutely sounds like something they would do.

You should explain to him that you set up a lunch with colleagues, whose opinions you value, and he blew you all off for a 23 year old. He has made it very clear with his actions that his words are all insubstantial, and you will not be wasting any more of your valuable time and energy on people who don’t appreciate it.

BSintolerant · 22/11/2020 11:47

He knew when I was working so it was very unusual that he would announce “where are you” when he arrived. 24 hours before, I had started to get a funny feeling that things would not go as I thought. He did not seem to understand the fact I had a full time job and the extent of my work, or he seemed to assume it could all be cancelled for him, or that I should be cancelling for him.

You’re not paranoid at all OP. That funny feeling you got proves that.

If he works in the same industry as you surely he’d understand that you wouldn’t be able to drop everything for him at short notice. Nobody in their right mind would expect you to do that.

Before all this happened did you ever ring the main switchboard at his workplace to ask to speak to him?

mummmy2017 · 22/11/2020 11:48

From the point of view of your dinner guest The fact you paid for the meal and were upset would just further re-enforce my desire not to have personal or professional contact with this man.

billy1966 · 22/11/2020 11:52

OP,

How bizarre.

Good advice above about effectively dismissing him to professional contacts "flaky, unreliable, very strange🙄😬".

Step away and just be unavailable.

I'm sure you will learn from this.

Flowers
napody · 22/11/2020 11:53

@mamapisspants

He's a dickhead. The fact that he minimised your abuse/trauma at the hands of your ex by saying he wasn't all that bad says more about him than anything else you've written.

Block his using arse and never talk to him again- even if he tries to explain himself (when he hits rock bottom again).

This.
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