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My husband is miserable because he thinks our marriage isn't working. I was happy until he said this...

464 replies

IGJ10 · 16/11/2020 15:25

I've been married to my husband for 2 and a bit years - it's my first marriage, his second. I love him to bits. Around a year ago, I had some issues with trusting him - I found some excessively flirty/sexual messages with some of his longstanding female friends on his phone. He was open about the fact that he is very flirty with some of his old female friends because it helps his self esteem (which is painfully low - he has often questioned whether he's good enough for me and expressed feelings of disgust about himself). He let me have full access to his phone and changed the way he interacted with these friends, but I felt betrayed that even after we'd married he still needed that validation from other females. I can be honest and say I went from a confident, independent woman to a bit of an emotional mess. Initially I managed to deal with this quite well and we were very honest with each other. At the same time (earlier this year), he started a new job and a member of his team who is very young and pretty has been texting him a lot. And he responded - again, whilst not crossing the line officially (messages were mostly about work) there was a very flirty overtone and when I saw the messages I flipped out. Whilst he has, once again, amended the nature of his messages with her (and he shows me them when I ask), I've met this girl and it's obvious she's besotted with him and gives his ego a massive boost. He claims he feels just friendship towards her and I've accepted that and we've carried on as normal. I haven't asked to see any of his messages for 6 months.

A few weeks ago he told me he wasn't sure about our future, he feels unhappy and has been feeling like he's going through the motions. This was a shock to me. Particularly as he said he'd actually been feeling this way for well over a year (long before I saw the first bunch of flirty messages). I'm aware that my paranoia and trust issues affected him but I felt I'd resolved them and we were getting on an even keel. We've been talking about buying a house and starting a family. I asked him today if he has feelings for that girl and he said "I don't know. Possibly. I don't know what I feel or why I feel." He said he loves me. I asked him what's wrong with the marriage and he said he doesn't know. Despite everything, I've shown him total trust, even after what we went through. I am confused. We are hopefully going to start counselling but any pearls of wisdom would be appreciated. Apologies that this is so long.

OP posts:
youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/11/2020 18:30

"I had a wild idea at work today about moving out, divorcing and having a baby on my own before it’s too late then meeting someone years down the line when the time feels right. I know it sounds crazy.”

My love this doesn't sound crazy, it sounds very very sensible and measured. A baby would be lucky to you have you because they would deserve you. He doesn't. He really doesn't.

MsTSwift · 18/11/2020 18:32

I know it’s serious and your life but would love to turn the tables.

Wide eyed “Dh I’ve been thinking about our conversation. There’s a man at work I really quite fancy. In order for me to stay with you I need to see you stick a cucumber up your arse and help me fulfil my dream of walking the south west coastal path just the two of us in midwinter with a only a small tent and some pot noodles for sustenance. What do you think my darling?”

TwentyViginti · 18/11/2020 18:33

@youvegottenminuteslynn

"I had a wild idea at work today about moving out, divorcing and having a baby on my own before it’s too late then meeting someone years down the line when the time feels right. I know it sounds crazy.”

My love this doesn't sound crazy, it sounds very very sensible and measured. A baby would be lucky to you have you because they would deserve you. He doesn't. He really doesn't.

Agree with this! a real baby not a manbaby!
mathanxiety · 18/11/2020 18:53

What the whole house / support thing boils down to is that he is blaming you for his infidelity.

He is refusing to accept responsibility for his behaviour, while at the same time getting what he wants from you sexually.

He has all the power here - if you don't read his mind and provide what you guess he wants, he reserves the right to stray.

In the meantime, he gets the sex he wants. Why would he take steps to examine his behaviour, accept personal responsibility, and commit to monogamy when he is getting everything he wants from life handed to him on a plate?

You are dealing with a man who doesn't like women.

TwentyViginti · 18/11/2020 18:56

You are dealing with a man who doesn't like women

I think you're right, mathanxiety. He seems to view women as service providers.

billy1966 · 18/11/2020 18:57

OP,

Nothing crazy on focusing on what YOU want.

We all know what HE wants......to have his cake and eat it.

These are important years that could be critically important IF you would like children.

Listen to your gut.
What is it telling you.

Your gut tells you the truth, even though sometimes we don't like it, want it and ignore it.

Listening to your gut will tell you what you are really hearing, and seeing, in his actions.

He sounds as if he is a real bullshitting spoofer.

Be very wary of depending on him for honesty about a shared future.

Flowers
IGJ10 · 18/11/2020 19:06

@mrscampbellblackagain

I’m trying my best to handle things well. I swing through the euphoria of standing up for myself to the misery of not being with him. I think the realist part of me will see me through.

And yes - mercifully financially not entwined. And I have a very decent and stable salary to boot. Particularly during this pandemic when people are suffering so much, I know I’m one of the lucky ones and I thank God every day for this.

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Enough4me · 18/11/2020 19:07

OP I'm with @youvegottenminuteslynn I hate him too. He's an entitled manchild and if you could have even a month away from him I think you would start to get your thoughts clear again.

I tried counselling with my manipulator exH. He twisted everything to meaningless rubbish and I was powerless. Through counselling alone I found out that I accepted that I was worth less, because my mum took that role too. I won't ever take that role on again as I feel no sense of guilt or failure anymore.

IGJ10 · 18/11/2020 19:09

@MsTSwift
This gave me another much needed chuckle today. THANK YOU x

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mathanxiety · 18/11/2020 19:16

...the misery of not being with him...

It seems to me that the course of this short relationship (short in the greater scheme of things though of course looming so large in your life) has been pretty miserable and that he has willfully caused that misery. He knows what you want from the relationship and he has chosen to ignore all of it and to focus on what he wants instead.

What you are feeling is likely grief for the hopes you had bound up in this relationship, not this specific man who has caused you so much pain.

You are probably also feeling more than your share of shame associated with the breakdown of the relationship, thanks to his nasty habit of casting blame and refusing to accept personal responsibility.

From your comments here I sense that you are a person who is reasonable and rational, well able to flourish in a healthy relationship founded on mutual respect, and very likely to bring joy to a partner.

The relationship you are in right now is not that relationship. No matter how many things you 'get right' here, no matter how respectful and open minded your approach, you can't clap with one hand. Your partner is not acting in good faith. You can't make this work on your own.

lazylinguist · 18/11/2020 19:35

OP, you are clearly a lovely, intelligent, articulate woman with a good career. You deserve a good man who loves and respects you, not this manchild.

Fluffycloudland77 · 18/11/2020 19:45

He’ll probably feign a breakdown soon when he realises your onto him.

WizardOfAus · 18/11/2020 19:55

I had a wild idea at work today about moving out, divorcing and having a baby on my own before it’s too late then meeting someone years down the line when the time feels right. I know it sounds crazy.

You would be crazy NOT to do this, OP.

Enough4me · 18/11/2020 20:03

@Fluffycloudland77 a breakdown, or some other 'poor me' I need you line...it's all about him.

RedToothBrush · 18/11/2020 20:09

"I had a wild idea at work today about moving out, divorcing and having a baby on my own before it’s too late then meeting someone years down the line when the time feels right. I know it sounds crazy.”

What is your dream OP?

We've heard a lot about his dream and how 'unsupportive' you have been about it. Not a peep about what you maybe fancy in life. Has he been supportive of it? Or is there just no room in the relationship for your dreams?

PyjamaLlamas · 18/11/2020 20:20

Also I think you've got a completely inaccurate idea about what counselling or therapy is. You keep asking how long until it "works". You're suggesting finite timeframes like 3 or 6 months. Sorry to tell you but that's nothing like what therapy is. Who knows what will be unearthed in the process. You are dealing with the child, parent and adult egos and how they have all contributed to shaping your husband as an individual and resulted in his behaviour and actions. You would then need to interrogate the same for your own life. You would then need to work out how these different learned behaviours of both of yours worked (or didn't work together). Now that's just the initial "understanding" work. You've then got to spend time undoing it all. This doesn't just happen overnight. It can mean retraining your brain to think, and therefore respond differently. It's like going to the gym and building a muscle. It can be a lifetimes work for some, or maybe years. You have 37 years worth to unravel - X 2. And that assumes both parties are fully committed to doing the work, which I doubt he is. Why would he be? It's a huge amount of effort and he would have to give up his cake.

You're better off starting therapy for yourself at the same time as leaving him and focussing on your own goals and happiness.

MichelleofzeResistance · 18/11/2020 20:32

After serious and careful consideration I find MrsTSwift has the best way forward. Grin

Also hugely agree with RedToothBrush …. what's your dream? What do you want out of life and a relationship? (and if its the thing with the cucumber and the tent with the pot noodles I completely support you in this)

johnd2 · 18/11/2020 20:56

You Might be able to get actual free therapy through work, either through health insurance or employee assistance program. The people would be qualified and experienced.
You need to work out what's right for you to do and that may involve separating or may not.
Solution focused therapy Will help to make a decision without any messing around.

mineofuselessinformation · 18/11/2020 21:15

The thing that shines through for me from your recent posts is the 'not good enough' element.
If he wanted to spice up your sex life, for example, he could have discussed that with you - but he didn't.
Until he was 'unhappy' of course.....
PLEASE don't let him do that to you.

Feedingthebirds1 · 18/11/2020 21:23

OP read this...

thebodyisnotanapology.com/magazine/when-love-isnt-enough/

How she got to where she was isn't the same as you, but she ended up in the same place.

And really stop and think what he's done to you. He's emotionally if not physically cheated, but YOU are the one falling over yourself to put it right, to change yourself, to be who he wants you to be.

What's HE doing to put it right - except saying he won't text in that way any more? How magnanimous of him. You know this will happen again, right? He'll make a bit of an effort to reel you back in and then in another 12 months you'll go through it all again.

Please realise that you are worth much more than he's prepared to give you. You don't have to accept his crumbs (to use another cake analogy) while he demands that you make him this media.socastsrm.com/wordpress/wp-content/blogs.dir/697/files/2017/04/cake.jpg.

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 18/11/2020 21:36

What a total surprise that one of the ways you have let him down is by not being his willing sex toy.

He hasn't come up with one real or original thought has he? It really is just 'I like shagging around more than I like being married'.

That's it.

namechange20202020 · 18/11/2020 23:26

@MsTSwift

I know it’s serious and your life but would love to turn the tables.

Wide eyed “Dh I’ve been thinking about our conversation. There’s a man at work I really quite fancy. In order for me to stay with you I need to see you stick a cucumber up your arse and help me fulfil my dream of walking the south west coastal path just the two of us in midwinter with a only a small tent and some pot noodles for sustenance. What do you think my darling?”

This 😂

OP you sound wonderfully endearing and kind and lovely. Just feel like a little compliment is just what you need today.

Wiredforsound · 18/11/2020 23:52

Agree with @namechange20202020 you sound like a great woman. The cucumber thing is completely wrong though. You should be needing to stick it up his arse 😜 Play The Beautiful South’s ‘I need a little time’. The most insightful and nuanced breakup song ever written.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/11/2020 00:13

Every single thing he said to you is intended to make you feel you have to cater to him. That he is an object of 'pity' and 'needs help only you can give' and that he can't be held responsible for his actions because his head is 'so messed up'.

And it worked. You're wondering where you went wrong (answer: nowhere), how you can 'fix this' (answer: you can't), and how to make him happy (answer: by letting him do whatever he wants and not complaining). He's made you feel responsible for his happiness, to feel that you have 'failed him' if you leave. You are not responsible for his happiness. He is. You are responsible for your happiness and no one else's.

You don't want to live like this! The world is a wonderful place with plenty of good people men in it who will add to your life, not make you question your every move. Leave. It will be a bit scary and perhaps even a bit 'empty' at first, but soon your life will be filled with so much peace and security that you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner.

Caeruleanblue · 19/11/2020 02:27

quite a few other things that he sees as contributing to his/our unhappiness
spicing up our sex life
He feels our life has no direction
Unsupporting his house building idea.

Awwwwwww diddums poor man.
But wouldn't a normal person just discuss these issues with the person they live with? But it seems his tragic low self esteem (which allows him to flirt with other women when the fancy takes him) won't allow him to have proper conversations with his own wife.
Just nonsense.