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Snoop or not?

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thelockdown2 · 09/11/2020 06:18

NC for this as I'm active on other threads - naice penis beaker etc.
Daily Mail are wankers (just in case).

Anyway I need some advice please. I'm currently pregnant with our 3rd and I don't know if I'm being hormonally paranoid or if something is going on.

I've just got this horrible gut feeling/spidey senses that DH is doing something he shouldn't be. Our sex life has tanked, he's secretive with his phone, he parks up outside our house but is "on a work call" for 45 minutes and won't come in. He's shown very little interest in me recently.

Anyway I've acquired his passwords for Facebook messenger, google and discord. He's recently removed the apps from his phone but continues to log into them. I can only surmise that he thinks it'll be harder for me to get into if the apps aren't on his phone. Why remove them if you're still logging into them?

My question is - can I log in to these without him receiving a notification? His google account has previously been logged into my phone when he's used it, and as a result I could see his search history about 18 months ago which threw up some major questions in our relationship but we worked through it.

Now without the "don't snoop if you don't trust him just leave him" advice it's really not that simple. Am I just being insane? And if I'm not then I'll need irrefutable proof before blowing up my family.

So will he know if I log in and check?

OP posts:
thelockdown2 · 13/11/2020 13:49

Well, I think his reaction will tell me everything I need to know tonight. I'll play it from that.
Feel sick at the prospect but let's see what happens as I've felt sick constantly for weeks anyway.

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2020 14:52

I can totally understand the temptation to spy on him or his devices but if he ever found out (and was innocent) he could rightly feel angry

This is perfectly true, but a man who already has a history of betrayal - were he genuinely remorseful and committed to the relationship - might be expected to make more of an effort to reassure OP

Like being completely open with his phone, etc, instead of putting her through this agony

thelockdown2 · 13/11/2020 16:21

He's on his way home. Wish me luck.

OP posts:
nolovelost · 13/11/2020 16:29

Good luck. Keep calm. X

Heartbeat3 · 13/11/2020 16:35

Good luck

Mumoftwo1990 · 13/11/2020 17:01

@thelockdown2

NC for this as I'm active on other threads - naice penis beaker etc. Daily Mail are wankers (just in case).

Anyway I need some advice please. I'm currently pregnant with our 3rd and I don't know if I'm being hormonally paranoid or if something is going on.

I've just got this horrible gut feeling/spidey senses that DH is doing something he shouldn't be. Our sex life has tanked, he's secretive with his phone, he parks up outside our house but is "on a work call" for 45 minutes and won't come in. He's shown very little interest in me recently.

Anyway I've acquired his passwords for Facebook messenger, google and discord. He's recently removed the apps from his phone but continues to log into them. I can only surmise that he thinks it'll be harder for me to get into if the apps aren't on his phone. Why remove them if you're still logging into them?

My question is - can I log in to these without him receiving a notification? His google account has previously been logged into my phone when he's used it, and as a result I could see his search history about 18 months ago which threw up some major questions in our relationship but we worked through it.

Now without the "don't snoop if you don't trust him just leave him" advice it's really not that simple. Am I just being insane? And if I'm not then I'll need irrefutable proof before blowing up my family.

So will he know if I log in and check?

He'll probably get notified but you could wave it off and ask if he's being hacked etc. It does actually happen so it's not a weird response to say to him. Just cover your tracks if you don't want to explain.
Russell19 · 13/11/2020 17:39

Hope you are ok OP.

Audreyseyebrows · 13/11/2020 18:02

Good luck @thelockdown2

WanderlustWitch · 13/11/2020 18:11

Hope all is well and you manage a calm discussion

wishywashy6 · 13/11/2020 19:42

Just read this, hope all goes ok OP!
If I were you I'd be demanding that you log in to everything in his presence and that he let you see everything. If he's not happy to do that then he's hiding something
Good luck!

tryingnot · 13/11/2020 20:00

How did it go @thelockdown2 ?

hohohobitches · 14/11/2020 07:18

hope you're ok, op

thelockdown2 · 14/11/2020 07:42

Well it was all quite stressful and emotional.

I laid it out, quite calmly and said - I've noticed x y and z and it's making me feel incredibly insecure, given the history, and I need full transparency, but I also need some truth now.

To his due, he did seemed completely blind sided by it all and I asked for his phone. I really didn't want to actually go through it once it was in my hands. But he didn't even flinch just unlocked it and passed it over. I had a quick look at the battery usage and there was no Facebook no messenger no nothing. Although the phone is a week old but all week he's not been on the apps. Looked at his internet history and nothing remarkable. Quick flick through messages.

I explained why I felt like I did and he had the grace to look quite gutted - agreed that this new job had been all consuming and left no time for family, me, kids etc.

I dithered asking about why the apps were deleted on his other phone but didn't want to give away that I know the passwords or PIN yet.

The missing pay he said he actually kept track of to send to HR as he was working those two days - he searched his emails back to August to show me that he had chased it. So I felt like a dick.

He explained the phone calls and the missing time and asked me for the dates to show the call logs - calls to the director etc. Although I couldn't remember specifically when it was he scrolled through and told me to look. Can easily delete call logs though.

He was apologetic and said he will make more effort, the sex thing he's physically and mentally exhausted with this new job and it's "not that he doesn't want to" but is so tired etc.

I didn't want it to be a competition of who's got it worse so I pointed out whilst I'm here, enabling this new career of his, holding the fort, doing everything with the kids, pregnant, working in my own incredibly stressful role, I don't shut him out - I actively support him. I don't any of that in return. (Didn't say this but let's be honest I carry the biggest workload and mental load undoubtedly).

He agreed and apologised and said that he will make more effort etc, he loves me, we are a team, his wife three kids. He's gone to work today but said FaceTime him whenever I want. He said he feels a lot of pressure to financially provide for all this stuff that we want and need and I actually got quite insulted as we earn near enough the same money and share bills equally - so what the hell does he think I contribute then?

He also asked if any of this was pregnancy related - am I hormonal essentially. I said if he dare suggest that I'm crazy because I'm bearing his child then he can go.

I did have to refer to the previous indiscretions which I struggled to - given that I forgave him so I can't use it to beat him around the head with whenever things go slightly south. But it's fed this insecurity in me that's not shifting. He acknowledged that and didn't argue but could see he didn't like it.

So, I don't know. I'm still keeping the passwords in my back pocket if I need them. I really didn't want to be the tracking, phone checking crazy insecure wife but it's an option if I need it. Whilst I believe him, on this occasion - I feel actually really deflated and quite down. Not relieved like I thought I would. If he's not cheating or up to something then I'm just low on the list of priorities. Drained.

Not really sure where to go from here.

OP posts:
TwentyViginti · 14/11/2020 07:52

Is he one of those men who thinks he has the Big Job, and the woman has a 'little job' and can therefore take on most of the childrearing and mental load? This is quite common.

thelockdown2 · 14/11/2020 07:54

@TwentyViginti Well it's my own fault for allowing it for so long because I just "get on with things". We've had numerous conversations about this recently but I shouldn't have to keep asking for help.

His awful parents have messed him up.

We both have pretty full on jobs with responsibilities and stress. But I'm WFH at the moment so apparently have the easier deal.

OP posts:
TwentyViginti · 14/11/2020 08:26

His awful parents have messed him up

But he's a grown man now, with a family of his own. If his parents were awful, he should be striving to change the pattern, not be acting like your child.

You seem to now be blaming yourself and his upbringing for how he is re family life. Does he have no autonomy over his own behaviour?

TwentyViginti · 14/11/2020 08:28

But I'm WFH at the moment so apparently have the easier deal

Haha nope.

This all needs to be addressed before your 3rd child is here and the pattern repeats.

EpochTime · 14/11/2020 08:58

Bearing in mind the recently acquired new phone, could there be an old phone still in use? It is possible to use the same number on two separate devices.

nolovelost · 14/11/2020 09:45

Did he explain the sitting in his car for ages?

BrimFullOfAsher · 14/11/2020 10:00

Sorry OP but I now feel that you are veering into definitely BU territory here. He has answered all of your questions, given you all of the access to what you have asked for and explained why he isn't as interested in sex (very valid).

I honestly don't know what else you want from him? If you can't move on from his previous indiscretion or you feel there are other problems with your relationship then you need to think about what you want to do next, but as for your original question - YABU

Newwayofthinking · 14/11/2020 10:02

Why did he change his phone?

And where is the other one?

IceFrost · 14/11/2020 10:08

@nolovelost

Did he explain the sitting in his car for ages?
This could be innocent.

I do this sometimes😬 normally playing on my phone😅 or talking on the phone to someone and time just flys by

IceFrost · 14/11/2020 10:09

@BrimFullOfAsher

Sorry OP but I now feel that you are veering into definitely BU territory here. He has answered all of your questions, given you all of the access to what you have asked for and explained why he isn't as interested in sex (very valid).

I honestly don't know what else you want from him? If you can't move on from his previous indiscretion or you feel there are other problems with your relationship then you need to think about what you want to do next, but as for your original question - YABU

I think the same too, what else can he do?

Even the 2 days missing money he had proof that he did work and just wasn’t paid so he hasn’t done anything wrong ..

thelockdown2 · 14/11/2020 10:17

I get your points - I can't help feeling deflated. I've been completely wound up for weeks and somehow I don't know I think maybe there would have been something if it was the old phone.

It's the mistrust that's been thrown in my face that's quite painful to deal with when I thought we had moved past it - it was unnecessary reminder and I'm clearly not as over it as I thought I was. So that's a "me" problem I need to work on.

As far as sitting in the car it's work calls? And the original phone has gone back to his boss.

OP posts:
TwentyViginti · 14/11/2020 10:23

So that's a "me" problem I need to work on

Once again you're blaming yourself.

Are you going to address the issues of the unequal workload you have in the home?

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