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Rages/smashing things but not physically hurting you

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Friedbanana · 01/11/2020 09:21

Hello, just wanting some advice/ pointers to where i can read about this as i’m not sure where to search to find info. Basically DP gets very frustrated/angry very easily, at basically the slightest disagreement, and i try to give him space and leave to go to another room and then he cools off, but if for some reason he follows me or i follow him, or i just continue the discussion calmly because i dont realise he’s bubbling, then he will suddenly, without warning, throw something really violently- in the past he’s smashed a kettle into the wall (right next to me) and broken a kitchen tile (and the kettle), he’s thrown chairs at bins amd broken both, he’ll kick things (breaking his sandles) and slam doors very forcefully. It used to sometimes send me into a panic attack as sometimes it would be really close to me and really scare me. The worst rage was when i was sat at the top of the stairs and he ran along the corridor as if he was going to push me doenstairs but he didnt, but i genuinely thought he was going to. He said later he would absolutely never hurt me, and if i thought he had the capability of hurting me i should leave. i don’t think he would either, but it really does hurt me mentally. Anyway today i confronted him and said he needs to sort it out as it makes me v anxious, and he needs to sort it out before we try for children, as I can’t bring them up with that around them, particuarly as the triggers will be a million times worse when there’s a baby. He says he tried his best to control it, and for the first time in 8 years or our relationship he told me thats how his father was around him- terrible rages and smashing things when he or his sister did anything the tiniest bit wrong. he never physically abused them. He doesnt feel loved by either of his parents even though we do see them each fortnight id say (before lockdown) and it’s very sad. So anyway just wanting some advice really on how to support him. I love him very very much and wouldnt leave him, i think he’d make a fantastic dad apart from this issue. He also suffers with depression and social anxiety but sadly refuses any professional help. Thanks so much for reading!!

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Toscata · 01/11/2020 10:30

This is absolutely terrifying.

I have nothing to add, but please, please listen to the posters on here.

blindinglyobviouslight · 01/11/2020 10:31

There is no perhaps about it, you really do not have the best view of relationships. No-one bothered to show you what a mutually respectful relationship is like so you still have no idea what that is or entails

I ended up with a bad partner because I didn't a good view of relationships due to my own father. I didn't realise it at the time. It is only now I can see that I had such a low bar of what was acceptable.

Please dont' ignore what mumsetters are saying. I did ignore what mumsnetters said after my son was born. I was angry and upset with them for criticising my DH so harshly. But they were right. They could see what I could not. Because they knew what good relationships look like. And I didn't.

Bad relationships often have good bits, my relationship has loads of good stuff. Until we had kids, then it was mainly bad - because he just couldn't step up, not matter how much he loved his kids, or me. Bad partners often apologise and say they will try. But he isn't trying. Despite what others say, he probably can't control this by sheer will. His brain was hardwired in childhood into reacting like this with his intimate partner. And with any children he will have. And he is refusing professional help.

I loved my DH. I really did. And he loved me. But I have learnt the very hard way that love is not enough. It really, really isn't.

ginandbearit · 01/11/2020 10:33

I watched a man go round Sainsburys screaming and threatening his 8 yr old son for play fighting his sister ..this man screamed , muttered threats and went to thump the boy ..a woman intervened and he told her to back off ..calmed down a bit but continued to rant through checkout ,including the magic words 'see what youve made me do'..through the car park and into their car where i could see him raging...those poor children . He wont stop if you have kids...and the cycle will continue .

RiaOverTheRainbow · 01/11/2020 10:35

OP, please read Why Does He Do That? If you're right and we're wrong then you won't recognise your DP and no harm done. It's also available as a free pdf if you prefer.

Valleygirl27 · 01/11/2020 10:35

If you, as an adult, choose to stay with this man when he behaves like this then that's your choice to make but please don't ever bring children into your lives as it's not fair to them to grow up in that. It doesn't matter if it's not all the time, it's happening and no child should grow up with that around them.

FrustratoPotato · 01/11/2020 10:37

OP, you are making excuses for him. Please work on yourself with regards to past abuse and boundaries. This thread may be the start of your awakening. Take some time to let it soak in then get professional help for yourself. You can't change him. You can only work on you.

Doyoumind · 01/11/2020 10:37

You are in an abusive relationship. He is not the victim. You won't save him. Do not have children with him.

Nickname01 · 01/11/2020 10:37

@Zupermumm
I’m so sorry you’re in this situation Flowers
Are you in touch with WA, and logging everything with them and maybe 101, so to build a case and evidence. They can also help you plan to leave.
Keep all of the texts from the kids btw. And see if you can secretly film this POS speeding off.
This sounds like an awful situation for you and the children, maybe set up another thread too for advice and support here. Hopefully you have real life support from friends and family x

blindinglyobviouslight · 01/11/2020 10:39

the chair and bin thing was last week but it wasnt near me and i wasnt scared, so im womdering if he does have the capacity to change

This made me so sad. Do you really want your children to learn NOT to be scared when bins and chairs are thrown around. It is so sad that you normalise this that you no longer see this as scary behaviour.

It is not a sign that he is improving. It is a sign that he is continuing his behaviour - that he has found a place where you will tolerate the intolerable.

You don't need to be with this man. You are young, you are not dependent on him, you don't have kids with him. You dont' need to support or get him to seek help. You need to support yourself so that you work on your own issues from your past so that you can see that you deserve better than this.

EarthSight · 01/11/2020 10:41

Stop partitioning his behaviour. You are doing it already by saying he would make a fantastic Dad except for this. You have to start looking at him as a whole, and accept that these rages are part of his personality, most likely permanent. Upbringing can affect people, but there's good evidence now to suggest that nature, rather than nurture does count a lot more than people like to think (because by believing the nurture theory, it gives people a greater sense of control than they actually have over personality). That means that if the father was a neurotic, depressive, angry, anxious, violent asshole, there's a good chance those traits are inheritable and if the childhood environment was also bad, those traits traits are much more likely to come out. Good luck trying to reverse that.

The worst rage was when i was sat at the top of the stairs and he ran along the corridor as if he was going to push me doenstairs but he didnt, but i genuinely thought he was going to. He said later he would absolutely never hurt me, and if i thought he had the capability of hurting me i should leave

That is fucking awful. He knew exactly what he was doing there - terrorising you. He is raging like a 2 year old toddler, except he's a fully grown adult, a male who's stronger than you. If you have a son with him, expect to deal with 2 strong out of control people, not just one.

You cannot have a normal, functioning relationship with someone who gets this angry. What you also need to consider is that some people are very aware of the effect their rage has on others and they use that fear as a weapon that shuts people down. They don't want to be challenged. Read what @Bunnymumy said.

There are other men who have less control over it but it hardly matters. All it means is that they have not progressed emotionally since the age of 2, usually the failure of parenting or an abusive household. Sorry, but you cannot undo that yourself.

Being able to argue with someone is really important. It's how you get your point across, how you defend your self, how you work things out. If you think someone is about to turn into The Hulk, how on earth is that dialogue meant to happen???

SheeshazAZ09 · 01/11/2020 10:41

I agree with others that a man who smashes objects around you is sending you a message: Next time it could be you. I also agree that the best way to protect yourself is to leave. But I sense you are not ready for that. So I am going to depart from the theme of the thread and suggest that you both learn Transcendental Meditation. I've found it beneficial and, more to the point, have seen it work brilliantly on the anger management of the most violent prisoners, to the extent that some prisons have formally adopted it in special programs. Even if you end up leaving your DP, he and you will benefit from the stress reduction and 'chill' effect of daily practice.

MargotMoon · 01/11/2020 10:41

Think about how you would feel if your baby/toddler witnessed even one of these outbursts? Please don't expose an innocent child to this, it could be very damaging. In fact, don't expose your innocent adult self to this either!

jay55 · 01/11/2020 10:42

You're 27, so have plenty of time to find a great man who isn't violent to make a life with.
Why settle for someone violent?
Who won't get help?
His dad was like this, he knows how much fear these rages will induce in you, yet he still doesn't seek help. He doesn't give a shit about you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/11/2020 10:42

Your threat to leave has never been carried out and this gives him more power. He knows your boundaries are so shit that you would put up with almost anything he does. He can terrorise you enough already to keep you quiet and subserviant to him and if he did decree that throwing objects did not work then he would readily start throwing you about.

Your dad and stepfather did not change as men and nor will this man. You've been basically further conditioned by this man you're living with to accept things being thrown about, that is also why you were not scared. You're used to it and abuse is what you've always known. The dog would have been frightened by the noise made and the fact that it was in another room makes it no better either.

InFlagranteDerelicto · 01/11/2020 10:43

@Friedbanana

Also, after the stairs incident, about a year ago, i told him if it happened one more time like that, sending me into a panic attack, i would leave, and he hasnt done anything like that since! the chair and bin thing was last week but it wasnt near me and i wasnt scared, so im womdering if he does have the capacity to change. Our dog is fine and was in another room when this happened
So you know he can control it if he needs to.

My ex started with occasional rages, then smashing stuff up. He was quite nice, charming even, 99% of the time. Everyone loved him. The other 1% of the time he was aggressive & progressed to regularly raping me. Some abusers beat their victims. What percentage of the time does he have to act abusive, for you to recognise that he's abusive?

blindinglyobviouslight · 01/11/2020 10:43

you both learn Transcendental Meditation

Please don't think TM will fix this man.

gamerchick · 01/11/2020 10:44

he told me thats how his father was around him- terrible rages and smashing things when he or his sister did anything the tiniest bit wrong. he never physically abused them

Read that again and then ask yourself why you would want to pass that shit on to your kids.

This person will not be a good dad while he behaves in this way and if you knowingly expose an innocent life to it, will be just as much as to blame for the state of their future mental health problems.

Stay with him all you want, you'll get fed up eventually but you can never have kids with this man.

CityCommuter · 01/11/2020 10:44

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Bunnymumy · 01/11/2020 10:45

Theres actually a talk from Lundy bankroft on YouTube if you just type in his name. It's defo worth a watch.

WitchWife · 01/11/2020 10:45

@Friedbanana

Also, after the stairs incident, about a year ago, i told him if it happened one more time like that, sending me into a panic attack, i would leave, and he hasnt done anything like that since! the chair and bin thing was last week but it wasnt near me and i wasnt scared, so im womdering if he does have the capacity to change. Our dog is fine and was in another room when this happened
This above anything else shows that he is making a choice to scare you or not scare you, doesn’t it? I’m so sorry - I understand you want to help him change but he doesn’t want to change and in fact is doing this on purpose. On the other hand I’d ask yourself, how have you changed? What behaviour do you change or avoid in hopes of keeping him calm?

Unlike some here I do believe that some people have anger problems that aren’t deliberate abuse. I grew up with a parent like this. They’d grown up with an abusive home situation - and although they didn’t seek professional help (which would have been good!) what they did do was remove themselves from the situation when they felt rage. So instead of throwing chairs into a bin they would take themselves upstairs or out for a walk or drive until they’d calmed down. Not ideal but it did work. In terms of your future kids I can still remember the ONE time my parent threw something (soft and non breakable and nowhere near us) across the room when angry. Think how much worse your kids will have it with this dad who can control his anger but chooses to scare people instead.

SilentLamb1 · 01/11/2020 10:50

My ex used to do that when I tried to discuss anything of importance. It escalated to physical.

InFlagranteDerelicto · 01/11/2020 10:51

He says he tried his best to control it, and for the first time in 8 years or our relationship he told me thats how his father was around him- terrible rages and smashing things when he or his sister did anything the tiniest bit wrong. he never physically abused them. He doesnt feel loved by either of his parents even though we do see them each fortnight id say (before lockdown) and it’s very sad. So anyway just wanting some advice really on how to support him. I love him very very much and wouldnt leave him, i think he’d make a fantastic dad apart from this issue. He also suffers with depression and social anxiety but sadly refuses any professional help.

If he won't or can't be bothered to get professional help, it's not your responsibility to fix him. You are not rehab or therapy for damaged men.

Opentooffers · 01/11/2020 10:51

The thing is, he has told you who he is. He has explained what life was like for him growing up and now you can see the poor relationship he has with his parents. He will have that same poor relationship with his own child. How does he feel about his mother, about her sticking with it? I'd guess there is not much love for her too.
The reason children grow up in households like this is because an abuser has managed to find a woman that will put up with him. Sadly, you are that woman in this case. A woman who grew up with abuse, so does not see it as that far out of the ordinary. Women who have not experienced abuse, would of already left him by now, but you have learnt to tolerate being intimidated.
It's a very bad sign that he is unwilling to seek any help with this. If you don't feel like you can leave him, the alternative is for you to seek help. Maybe counselling will help you to see the dangers of this. You have nothing to lose by engaging professional help yourself. You can't change him, he can't change himself without help, but you can seek help and change yourself, do that is my advice.

picosandsancerre · 01/11/2020 10:51

You have lived like this for so long you minimise this mans rages and seem to view him as a victim. He has trained you well to think he is actually really lovely apart from this 'violent' rages.

He needs to seek help and if he wont then my advice is you rethink any plans around DC if you choose to stay with him. Bringing DC into this is really selfish.

ErniesGhostlyGoldtops · 01/11/2020 10:53

I have a friend that left her DH after 8 months of marriage and he had got into a rage over something ridiculous and punched a hole in a door.

She said that she wanted to be married to a man not a boy with temper tantrums and good for her. He wouldn't have done it at work or in Sainsburys or at his mates house so she decided that he wasn't for her after all and yes she did love him and yes she wanted kids. It broke her heart but she decided to find someone that could govern their emotions and not be a twat though. She is married again and had a DD and a happy life.