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Received some really unpleasant texts from son’s gf.

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2389Champ · 18/10/2020 21:45

My son and his Spanish gf have moved back to the U.K. in the last month following the loss of his job. They have moved into a second property I own and because of their situation I’m not charging them any rent to help them until they get back on their feet. I’ve made it very clear that whilst they are there it is their home. My son is professionally trained but is applying for anything just so he can work. Gf does some online language tutoring but has always refused to apply for jobs as she has a degree and believes she shouldn’t have to accept anything less than her worth. It’s never been an issue to me and I’ve kept out of as she’s his choice although I know it’s caused arguments between them because my son has complained to me.

The big problem is she has brought a large dog over with her that is aggressive and untrained. She has had it from a puppy so can’t blame anyone else for its behaviour. She has this wacky idea about not using any discipline to train it - only gentle handling. She won’t listen to anyone about the problem and believes she can sort it herself. It’s so bad it can’t go out in public. When we visited last weekend it went for my husband and bit him without provocation and tried to bite me. She is lucky in that we are dog lovers so didn’t react as someone else might but I warned her that anyone visiting was potentially in danger and that she would be liable. Unsurprisingly, it’s not insured either because she says she can’t afford it.

We have a painter and decorator going in next week (I’ve warned him already!) which she wants me to cancel because “it will upset the dog and can’t I wait another month when it is settled?” I’ve refused because she’s had the dog for 8 months already in Spain and I can’t see any improvement in another month, plus I can’t inconvenience my decorator as he’s self employed and has a business to run. I pointed out that she knew that the flat needed work, that painter was booked months ago and if it was such a problem to the dog perhaps she should have continued staying with her family in Spain until it was trained. Again, my son confided that the dog was causing massive issues with her family whilst there too.

I’ve always generally got on well with her and exchanged friendly texts. Last night and today she has suddenly launched a verbal tirade of texts on me about how I’ve not made her feel welcome, that the dog’s training is nothing to do with me, that by allowing the decorator in I have ruined all the good work that has gone into the dog, that I’ve left her with no option but to return to Spain and blaming me for ruining and ending their relationship!

I’m absolutely gobsmacked and stunned where this has come from. I’ve always been friendly and welcoming to her and the dog issue is the only time I’ve ever said anything controversial - but felt I had to as this animal is seriously vicious, more to warn her that it might end in tears if it attacks someone. I’m probably a bit of a wuss but I feel really emotional tonight about it. I don’t want to call my son as I believe if they have issues, they need to sort it out without me being involved and possibly there is tension between them too.

I’ve not responded to the texts either as I don’t want to further inflame things although I think she was totally out of order to message me like this. Have I handled things badly?

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ThePluckOfTheCoward · 20/10/2020 19:17

In your position Op, I would now keep my distance and don't contact them again unless it is to do with your flat (that the cheeky feckers are living in rent-free). Keep all communication business like, a text or emails. If the GF or your son get in touch make it clear that you are expecting an apology from the GF for her words and for her dog attacking you and your DH.

Once they are back in your flat I think you should have a serious discussion about when you are expecting them to start paying rent and a formal tenancy agreement. No more Mrs nice guy letting them walk all over you and treating you with complete disrespect. If they don't like it they can bugger off back to Spain. I'm so cross on your behalf at the way they have behaved towards you. You deserve better.

Mix56 · 20/10/2020 19:42

You are offering them free accommodation, they knew the deal.
She sounds manipulative & basically is prepared to fall out with her "ILs"
over this dangerous dog.
They/Your skint son is now paying for an AirB&B, so as not to upset the DOG ! & then pay for a trainer.
This is madness.

Dontbeme · 20/10/2020 20:33

Gf took an instant dislike to daughter’s terrific fiancé

Is your ds close to his sister and her partner? If so it seems like your ds girlfriend is trying to create distance, that combined with her contacting you to advise him to not move home, the large age gap, this nonsense of her now being willing to speak with you but no contact from her. She is angling for an apology and to now put distance between you and son. I would thread very lightly with her op.

Devlesko · 20/10/2020 20:58

I'm going to go against the grain here too.
Whilst the gf is totally wrong ill? or just entitled? You are more invested in your grown sons life than anyone I know, tbh.
I'm close to my ds1 and 2, and I know they'd come to us if the chips were down, and there will always be a place for them.
But I don't know as much about my dil and they've been together 10 years.

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/10/2020 06:24

Devlesko
I imagine it’s because up until recently when op saw her ds and his partner, it would involve overnight stays and be for a several days due to them living in a different country. Naturally when you’re thrown together with people for protracted periods you get to know them in a different way from short meet ups / meals together etc.

Yogawithmydog · 21/10/2020 06:58

Absolutely horrified with the update about the dog - Ive worked with German Shepherds and they are SO smart and very loyal but absolutely need a firm, consistent owner who can provide serious amounts of exercise and stimulation as well as kindness. There's a reason they are the breed used most often as police dogs! Huge guarding instinct and very bright.

That poor dog will be going literally insane from lack of exercise, it's so cruel. The GS dogs I know get 2-3 hours outside walking (with lots of free running across the countryside involved) and plenty brain games indoor and that's a minimum daily to keep them happy. She may "adore" dogs but she obviously doesn't have a single clue about GS needs. I feel sick at the idea of one trapped day after day in a flat.

Sunnydaysstillhere · 21/10/2020 08:58

Ds had such a gf. All good to start. Then she realised how close ds was to his family.. Despite her best efforts to prise him away he wouldn't drop us. She got more and more frustrated and abusive. Until he had the balls to Ltb...
Maybe your ds's gf is of a similar mindset..... Poor ddog.
Glad you have taken a stand op!

justilou1 · 21/10/2020 09:15

Suspect the girlfriend needs a firm hand and a qualified trainer more than the bloody dog does, tbh. The dog is young and would probably prosper elsewhere. DS needs to grow a pair and either stand up to girlfriend or get out. Mum needs get legally-binding lease agreement, to charge rent and allow son to grow up - and allow both of them to become adults accountable for their own situation.

Ariela · 21/10/2020 11:16

@2389Champ

If I were you, I would treat your son to Dogs Trust membership (I think it's only £25/year, and if you pay by card online it is immediate), it gives 3rd party insurance to £1million if said dog injures someone. We did this when we acquired a fear aggressive rescue dog. He'll get sent a regular magazine which also includes hints and tips on training. Might be useful and get read by GF. www.dogstrust.org.uk/get-involved/membership/

SchadenfreudePersonified · 21/10/2020 11:25

@Yogawithmydog

Absolutely horrified with the update about the dog - Ive worked with German Shepherds and they are SO smart and very loyal but absolutely need a firm, consistent owner who can provide serious amounts of exercise and stimulation as well as kindness. There's a reason they are the breed used most often as police dogs! Huge guarding instinct and very bright.

That poor dog will be going literally insane from lack of exercise, it's so cruel. The GS dogs I know get 2-3 hours outside walking (with lots of free running across the countryside involved) and plenty brain games indoor and that's a minimum daily to keep them happy. She may "adore" dogs but she obviously doesn't have a single clue about GS needs. I feel sick at the idea of one trapped day after day in a flat.

Spot on!

And energetic, intelligent, independent animal like this needs both physical exercise and mental stimulation of the sort that allows him to use his initiative.

I suspect that she won't be willing or able to provide this - and if it falls to your son to take the dog the trainer and work with him, the dog will shift his allegiance from her to him. She won't like that, I'll bet! At the moment the dog's affection for her panders to her ego, but dogs will respect the person who provides them with what they need, and ear-rubs are well down the list for a bored, under-exercised animal.

If I were you, I would treat your son to Dogs Trust membership (I think it's only £25/year, and if you pay by card online it is immediate), it gives 3rd party insurance to £1million if said dog injures someone.

It doesn't give you license to avoid training a dog, though - I suspect that if the dog was known aggressive, and not kept properly under control, then the insurance would be invalidated. (I'm a DT member myself)

I also think the GF doesn't like your son's affection for his family. Dog bites your husband - that's ok. Dog growls at a friend - that's not ok . . .

Nanny0gg · 21/10/2020 18:31

@Devlesko

I'm going to go against the grain here too. Whilst the gf is totally wrong ill? or just entitled? You are more invested in your grown sons life than anyone I know, tbh. I'm close to my ds1 and 2, and I know they'd come to us if the chips were down, and there will always be a place for them. But I don't know as much about my dil and they've been together 10 years.
Well I know quite a bit about my sons- and daughters-in-law. And my friends do with theirs. Because we all have quite close families

So maybe you're more unusual that you don't?

HollowTalk · 21/10/2020 18:36

Gf took an instant dislike to daughter’s terrific fiancé and didn’t bother hide it

Are your son, daughter and daughter's fiance all around the same age, while she's much older?

2389Champ · 21/10/2020 18:59

@HollowTalk

Gf took an instant dislike to daughter’s terrific fiancé and didn’t bother hide it

Are your son, daughter and daughter's fiance all around the same age, while she's much older?

My daughter, her fiancé and gf are all the same age. DS is the younger one. He’s 21 and she’s 30.

And yes, DD and DS get on really well and despite living in separate countries until recently, stayed very much in contact.

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